What I did was to phone five dealers and be honest: I said I was looking for a discount of multiple thousands beyond what I could see on the website. One was a flat no, two didn't call back, one engaged but said it would be a maximum of a grand to avoid missing the deal. The fifth entered a dialogue and we met at a total discount to list/options/service of 14%. There are enough dealers out there, with enough need to do business, that you don't need to worry about offending them.
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