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Originally Posted by Questforpower
You fail to understand the main advantage of a turbo car... the fantastic ability of it to have TQ down low. There is close to nothing that is as important as that for a car that is used as a daily driver. While the NA M engines are excellent; the S85 tended to make the car feel very very heavy unless you revved it to 8K and past. So if anything... the disadvantage to that for a car such as this which is supposed to be a dual mix of street ability and track performance this was missing. A heavy car (especially one that weighs 4000 LBS + needs to have TQ to make it fun and make it feel lighter on its feet). I think BMW and Mercedes both realized this and used to this to their advantage with the added fuel economy that these new engines will provide. You are only helping me prove my point that not everyone buys this car for racing because that is where the turbos come in with the TQ, that particular quality allows the car to pass in street traffic with ease as well as give it instantaneous thrust instead of having to revv the engine around the streets to sky high redlines.
I am curious as to what Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini the old M5 car whips up on? Yes, most of those cars have remained NA but they are also all far, far lighter and they are no ones daily driver; this is the other car in those people's garages. In addition those engines cost a fortune to make which is why they are reserved solely for exotics. The "better" porches including the GT2 RS (the greatest porsche ever) and the 911 Turbo and Turbo S models which are their best street cars ever are in fact turbo and performance wise (trump any of the others).
I fail to see what it is that you keep on arguing about; about 90% of the time you are helping me prove my point.  |
You seem to be stuck on the need for a crap ton of low end torque for regular or spirited city driving which is not the case in 90 percent of the cases. The m5 has more torque than a 335 throughout the band and peaks at 360 foot pounds or something. That is hardly too little torque to drive around the city.
You seem to also think that low end torque makes the car special and a perfect driver. Clearly its evident you have not owned an M-everyone who makes the switch says the same thing as you and then finally "gets it" when they buy the M. My point, which you seem to keep missing, is that there is more than low end grunt and power in general to driving an M and it feeling special.
Daily driving around I probably would suffice with 200hp car, and if it had all the qualities of the M's I enjoy than it would still be more special than a 335. A 335 is a totally uninvolved plain experience unless you stomp the pedal. The M's is an amazing, enthralling experiencing just coasting along barely touching the pedal. Clearly you will not get this until you own an M.
A 335 is so boring when driving unless you are racing it or dragging it or stomping it to the max. its also clear you have not had much experience in the M's because the powerband is designed differently. It is not dropping to 2k-3k rpms every shift like the 335, the m3 and e60 m5 stay high in the band with each upshift, so unless you are starting from a dead stop, you never are even in the low rpms so having no low end grunt is meaningless and you don't miss it. It also takes about 1/2 a second at the most to be from 0 rpms to 6k so its just not a factor.
Clearly you think low end torque is what makes a driving experience amazing. All the M owners know otherwise and it is atleast 20 other qualities of a daily drive in an M car that make a "complete" experience. 420 hp in the m3 is only one of the 20 things, whereas the 335 has 1 thing that gives an experience and 1 thing only-low end tug.