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07-23-2012, 05:00 PM | #157 | |
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The way to ensure that only those who have adequate training and have successfully passed MY minimum requirements be allowed to have a CCW permit. Anyone can own, the standard is much higher for carry. I COMPLETELY agree that the current standards are far too low to make me comfortable for the majority of CCW folks. I am not trying to be offensive in any way, but look at it like racing licenses. No pro wants to be on the track with the amateurs. Licenses are tiered, and so should be CCW permits. I am being slightly facetious about meeting MY standard, but there are a handful of like-minded people that I trust to go to war. So, if you don't meet my standard, keep practicing. If I were in charge, CCW would take months to get. Like maybe 200 hours of training which would include basic marksmanship, tactical training, combat firearm drills, scenario based training, judgement, a thorough understanding of 4th Amendment law, local and state laws for the state of the CCW and extensive testing prior to issue, to include a comprehensive psychological test. Lastly, you'd have to pass the ME test. If I think your an asshat, you fail. Am I being an arrogant prick? Some might say yes, but the reality is that at the end of the course, you would have skills and abilities far beyond that of Joe average, and you'd be confident enough to know when and how to use them. How's that? |
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Were the same people currently advocating stiffer gun control laws lobbying for more stringent controls on fertilizer sales after the OKC bombing?
If this has already been brought up, forgive me for not reading the previous 157 posts...
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What amazes me about this gun control debate is that overwhelming majority of anti-gun people do not know a single thing about guns and most of them have never even held one in their hand.
And now Catholic Church has to step in, and declare Gun Control to be a RELIGIOUS ISSUE! That is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-ja...b_1692993.html
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I'm glad you're piping up Mike. I'm beside myself reading some of these posts. Not only have most not been in these situations before but none have even thought about it!! Does someone really think that it would be difficult to acquire the target in that situation? And the body armor... this isn't COD MWIII and from the images i saw this kid was not wearing head to toe kit. And people think that a kill shot is needed to end things. ANY hit on this kid would have altered the outcome. No one likes being shot at. Foot, leg, arm, hand, even in the armor. If he had real resolve like the NHSO perps it would have at the very least focused his field of fire on the CCW person allowing some more people to escape.
The atmosphere of the theater, as dark and panicked as it was can also be used to your advantage. Even if your position sucked at the onset of shooting, the dark chaos gives you opportunity to get into a better offense position. The obscured vision this kid had due to his gasmask would have helped you move as well. Dark, smoky, muzzle flashes, gasmask... his vision was certainly limited to some degree.
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I'm not giving this guy the satisfaction of looking into his life, but I do have one question: Just how many PS3 games that involved guns did he have? I think if we could correlate PS3 shooting games with gun ownership, some of the graphs at the beginning may look different.
P.S. former NRA member, owner of more than 1 gun, don't play PS3 games. |
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To the bolded quote.... I am pleased to see that your arrogance extends outside of the interweb. It makes me feel a little better, as if you're arrogant and condescending towards all people; not just me.
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Did I say "everyone"? No. I said "overwhelming majority". And that includes a bunch of my friends, who are convinced that one day I will kill someone just because I own firearms.
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It's impossible for you to quantify any of that statement. Your friends aren't present here so that point is moot. You assume those that have opposing views in this one single thread represent a larger population, which isn't even true. This topic is far broader than you give credit. |
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Yes, but, in the absence of properly trained people, what percentage of CCW holders do you think could maintain calm peace of mind to pull that off in this instance (I'm talking average people, not those who have passed Mike's theoretical course). If dark, smoky, bright muzzle flashes would impair accuracy in the bad guy, how could they not impair accuracy for the hero CCW holder also ? As it is today, I'm not sure if I was in that theater, that I'd want a half-dozen ill-trained (yet well meaning) CCW holders shooting at the gunman in the dark crowded theater. If I was anywhere behind the bad guy, I'd be more likely to be hit by friendly fire. Acquiring the target and hitting the target are 2 different things. I'm not saying more laws would stop it from starting in the first place; think of Breivik in Norway. Gun control laws there are FAR more stringent than those in Colorado, but he was determined enough to get what he needed regardless. Never underestimate a crazy person who has the time and means to get what he wants. If you cant stop it from starting (and sadly, as Norway has proven, I'm not sure you can), and no cop is present when it does start, then how can you stop a bad situation from getting worse ? I'm not sure that handing out guns to everyone who can pass a basic police check is the way to get there. |
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And no, your condescending demeanor only makes feel badly for you. And for the people who's judgment is so poor or their self esteem so low that they concede to be a part of your life. Because anyone who speaks to perfect strangers they way you do without being provoked must be a nightmare to spend time with in the real world. In here, i'm lucky enough to have the ability add you to an ignore list.
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Just a few points I would like to bring up. There really should be a required tactical course administered with each ccdw permit. It would really be a benefit to those who carry. I hold a Kentucky ccdw and it does take several months from start to finish. You have to fully understand the self defense laws and pass a shooting test. The permit is not limited to firearms and includes automatic knives and other things. If you've had anything questionable such as misdemeanor assaults or Dui's you will be revoked. IIRC there are something like 7 background checks you have to pass in order to get the permit. Im not sure how thorough other states are but I have been told Indiana has a simple process that doesn't have the background checks like Ky does. It is kind of scary to think about. I would hope other states who give out the permits or licenses would have a very investigative check on all applicants. I feel safer with my pistol on my side. I keep one in the chamber and a full magazine in a Galco holster.
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