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      12-08-2012, 04:09 AM   #1
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Bel Stir-plus and LI installed

I recently (today) had the Bel STIR-plus and LI quad systems installed. Also had 3M Crystalline 40 tint applied. Here are some pics. I used the BMW vertical sensors for the front and the std sensors for the rear. Display integrated in the rear view mirror, Bel control module and LI pwr switch located in ashtray. Totally stealth. Field testing with lidar gun jammed to gun.
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Seeing your install in person today changed my mind. I'm going with the BMW quad LI. Great meeting up, your car is sick.
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      12-08-2012, 06:46 AM   #3
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My LI placement is identical, I am testing today with Stealth.Pilot

I identical, only diff is beltronics control pad for me is on the left side of steering wheel on that little black plastic piece where buttons would be for lane departure ect which I don't have so empty open place to mount beltronics buttons

Mounted bel screen above rear view mirror

Nice install!
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Is there any chance that one of the high powered rear units installed centre of the license plate would be equal to the two rear units you've installed?
I'm very interested in hearing how the vertically installed units perform at the front also.
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Is there any chance that one of the high powered rear units installed centre of the license plate would be equal to the two rear units you've installed?
I'm very interested in hearing how the vertically installed units perform at the front also.
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Testing vertical with stealth in 1 hr, I'll follow up
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I am contemplating on have the Bel-StiR with Quad LI installed but having the light indicators mirror display system. Anybody care to comment on such system. In some posts, people have commented that such a system diverts one's attention to the road ahead, however, I have finally come to the conclusing that having the light indicators infront or even on the HUD itself, would be much more distracting. I'd rather just hear a warning that I may occasionally look at the mirror display indicator(s) just to check.
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I am contemplating on have the Bel-StiR with Quad LI installed but having the light indicators mirror display system. Anybody care to comment on such system. In some posts, people have commented that such a system diverts one's attention to the road ahead, however, I have finally come to the conclusing that having the light indicators infront or even on the HUD itself, would be much more distracting. I'd rather just hear a warning that I may occasionally look at the mirror display indicator(s) just to check.
I went with the Escort 9500ci system with the two LI in the front and single in the rear. Had the display screen mounted in my rear view mirror and I love it. I don't find it to be distracting at all. Here's pics:



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Ok, we tested and it was a success!! Completely invisible to the laser

The bmw version placed in the kidneys will work even if it has a slight slant, the further out the better

The back as in this pic works perfectly too.. Key is to level and test for any adjustments needed

Thank you once again Stealth.Pilot!
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Ok, we tested and it was a success!! Completely invisible to the laser

The bmw version placed in the kidneys will work even if it has a slight slant, the further out the better

The back as in this pic works perfectly too.. Key is to level and test for any adjustments needed

Thank you once again Stealth.Pilot!
Yes Bradone1's car is a blackhole to laser!!

My lower mount has some vulnerability at short distances (30 feet) due to the fact that they are too recessed. bradone1's installer is going to adjust mine on Monday to fix this and retest.

These LI products are very impressive!
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Yes Bradone1's car is a blackhole to laser!!

These LI products are very impressive!
When driving cross country through states that don't allow detectors or blockers, is just having the system off adequate if you did happen to get pulled over for anything? From what little I've read it seems like an equipped car might violate law just having the stuff mounted, even if it didn't work at all.
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When driving cross country through states that don't allow detectors or blockers, is just having the system off adequate if you did happen to get pulled over for anything? From what little I've read it seems like an equipped car might violate law just having the stuff mounted, even if it didn't work at all.
This is why when you get an alert you immediately slow to the speed limit and turn the jammer off. Do not JTG. This pisses the LEO off and will increase the chance of being pulled over and having the detector/jammer found. A few seconds of jamming will make the LEO think it is just an aberration, and they can be seen looking at the gun as you drive by at the speed limit.
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Yes Bradone1's car is a blackhole to laser!!

My lower mount has some vulnerability at short distances (30 feet) due to the fact that they are too recessed. bradone1's installer is going to adjust mine on Monday to fix this and retest.

These LI products are very impressive!
Couple of questions:

Are the BMW specific emitters normal or hi powered?

Do you think one high power emitter centred above the back license plate would be satisfactory?

TIA,
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When driving cross country through states that don't allow detectors or blockers, is just having the system off adequate if you did happen to get pulled over for anything? From what little I've read it seems like an equipped car might violate law just having the stuff mounted, even if it didn't work at all.
Yes. These systems are not illegal to own, but illegal to use in some states. Switching them off is sufficient to ensure compliance in these areas.

A radar jammer would be a different story.
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Yes. These systems are not illegal to own, but illegal to use in some states. Switching them off is sufficient to ensure compliance in these areas.

A radar jammer would be a different story.
Careful. Here in Ontario Canada radar detectors are in fact illegal to own and if caught it will be confiscated.
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Careful. Here in Ontario Canada radar detectors are in fact illegal to own and if caught it will be confiscated.
In the US they can't do that. It isn't contraband. It is a product legal within the United States. A state legislature can outlaw the usage, but they can't outlaw the sale or possession - that would be a violation of federal commerce laws which establish a common market.

Another interesting example - it is illegal to have a radar detector inside any commercial vehicle in the US. But the Fedex guys have no difficulty delivering them to your home. It illustrates the point, that transporting is not illegal, using is illegal.

In Florida a law was proposed to ban radar detectors in 2007 but died on the Senate floor.
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Great to meet up Drew! If only it wasn't dark and raining. Oregon at its best. Field testing with LIDAR gun showed JTG in all tests. Here are some pics of sensor and display placement.
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Pretty stoked on how clean those look in the grille. I have light color paint as well, and was hesitant to put the LI boxes in the lower air intakes because it would muck up the clean look. Yours look awesome. Congrats.
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I'm moving my HP sensors up to the grille on Monday. It is now 2 reports we have of JTG.

I probably can't fix my lower intake placement because the clear bra wrap means it will be hard to mount level at the edge of the lip. So grille it is.
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Yes Bradone1's car is a blackhole to laser!!

My lower mount has some vulnerability at short distances (30 feet) due to the fact that they are too recessed. bradone1's installer is going to adjust mine on Monday to fix this and retest.

These LI products are very impressive!
Couple of questions:

Are the BMW specific emitters normal or hi powered?

Do you think one high power emitter centred above the back license plate would be satisfactory?

TIA,
Bish
The bmw sensors have one vertically polarized laser diode per head as opposed to one horizontally polarized diode in the regular sensor. This means the BMW sensor can be mounted on its side vertically but cannot be mounted horizontally.

The HP head has 2 laser diodes per head instead of one, and one diode is horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized. This gives both increased coverage area and also twice the jamming power.
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The bmw sensors have one vertically polarized laser diode per head as opposed to one horizontally polarized diode in the regular sensor. This means the BMW sensor can be mounted on its side vertically but cannot be mounted horizontally.

The HP head has 2 laser diodes per head instead of one, and one diode is horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized. This gives both increased coverage area and also twice the jamming power.
Thanks,

So the BMW specific vertical sensor is a normal powered version, just with a different orientation of the emitter.

Do you think one of the HP emitters would work centred over the license plate?

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The bmw sensors have one vertically polarized laser diode per head as opposed to one horizontally polarized diode in the regular sensor. This means the BMW sensor can be mounted on its side vertically but cannot be mounted horizontally.

The HP head has 2 laser diodes per head instead of one, and one diode is horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized. This gives both increased coverage area and also twice the jamming power.
Thanks,

So the BMW specific vertical sensor is a normal powered version, just with a different orientation of the emitter.

Do you think one of the HP emitters would work centred over the license plate?

Bish
If you mount in the grill up front with BMW sensor there is no need for HP. The BMW sensor delivered JTG performance.

On the rear I would think one sensor would be ok. But you have to test with lidar to know for sure.

I have found it much harder to measure speed on cars moving away then toward my lidar gun. With LI there is no reading at any range.

For an F10 I think there is no reason to use HP. Now a motor home on the other hand...
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So the BMW specific vertical sensor is a normal powered version, just with a different orientation of the emitter.

Do you think one of the HP emitters would work centred over the license plate?

Bish
The problem with using one sensor is reception range. The Lidar is a very large circle. I they aim for the outside tail light, the centrally mounted sensor may not pick it up. Especially at close range when the Lidar beam has a smaller coverage area.

Rear shots are always at close range because you just passed the cop. So it is generally better to have 2 on the back.
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