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      12-10-2012, 09:55 AM   #23
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Eibach US did say the springs are very similar to the ACS springs as they are done in conjunction. The main difference is just the spring rate.


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Im waiting. If the Eibach pro kit is consistent with its characteristics from the past as compared to H&R, it should be a comfortable option with slightly LESS of a drop than the H&R. I plan on running 21's and really want to see both options before making a decision.
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      12-10-2012, 12:39 PM   #25
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Eibach springs are still not done with testing as I called in Eibach US office for status report early Dec. They have no clue as to when Eibach Germany will sign off on the springs.
Im waiting. If the Eibach pro kit is consistent with its characteristics from the past as compared to H&R, it should be a comfortable option with slightly LESS of a drop than the H&R. I plan on running 21's and really want to see both options before making a decision.
There are supposedly 2 "styles" of the H&R. The "street" ones drop 1" in the back and .6" in the rear. I'm very happy with ride quality. I think the other style drops more, somebody?
Think I want spacers though.....
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      12-10-2012, 01:50 PM   #26
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      12-11-2012, 07:58 AM   #28
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What's the opinion on spacers?

Will they change or effect the ride or steering?

Will change the look to be more aggressive, I think.
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      12-11-2012, 12:46 PM   #29
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Looks great Barry. What EDC setting did you drive with before/after the spring install?
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Eibach springs are still not done with testing as I called in Eibach US office for status report early Dec. They have no clue as to when Eibach Germany will sign off on the springs.
Thanks for this update. I too am still waiting for the Eibach's. I was also thinking about Hartge, but I think they are expensive just for the springs. Gonna wait and see what Eibach does. I had them on my E60 M5 and they were perfect. The H&R's on the E60 M5 were too stiff for me.
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Thanks for this update. I too am still waiting for the Eibach's. I was also thinking about Hartge, but I think they are expensive just for the springs. Gonna wait and see what Eibach does. I had them on my E60 M5 and they were perfect. The H&R's on the E60 M5 were too stiff for me.
The H&Rs for F10 are supposed to be much better. You may want to consider them. I have my set still in the box, but others are saying good things about them.
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      12-11-2012, 05:46 PM   #32
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Yes I too heard these are better ( nothing to compare to from before).
The ride is very good IMO ( Dave I may have the car down there in a couple of weeks and I can reciprocate the ride on Sun. Only quieter......
What I can say is MUCH less negative effect than increasing rim size like I did on my E60 and why I tried springs this time.

Chris I ride in sport/comfort/comfort for daily driving ie in the soft setting for steering and dampening for cruising.
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here's a question.... the shop I am going to said they had done several 550's but not an F10 M5. is the process the same?
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here's a question.... the shop I am going to said they had done several 550's but not an F10 M5. is the process the same?
Yes. Likely the interior trim is more delicate as the M5 comes standard with Alcantara


Write up from the H&R spring install at Turner Motorsports :

The install of these springs took approximately 6 hours. It involves removing all four coil over (spring and strut assemblies) from the vehicle. Each coil over plugs into the EDC system which makes the removal and install of the strut assemblies a bit tricky, especially in the rear where you need to access the top of the strut from under the rear deck tray. You must remove the rear speakers and some trim pieces to access the the EDC harness and the 3 bolts holding the strut.

The most difficult and time consuming part of doing the spring install is making sure there is ample room to remove the rear strut assemblies without damaging the EDC harness on the strut its self or anything around it like the electronic emergency brake. We found the best way to do this is to disconnect the rear sway bar, remove the rear caliper with electronic emergency brake and disconnect the rear control arms. This gives plenty of room to pull out the coilover strut out of the rear wheel well. Other than that the install is relatively straight forward, the front is basically just like most other BMWs.
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Yes I too heard these are better ( nothing to compare to from before).
The ride is very good IMO ( Dave I may have the car down there in a couple of weeks and I can reciprocate the ride on Sun. Only quieter......
What I can say is MUCH less negative effect than increasing rim size like I did on my E60 and why I tried springs this time.

Chris I ride in sport/comfort/comfort for daily driving ie in the soft setting for steering and dampening for cruising.
Thanks Barry. Trying to get an idea of how the ride has changed...I too use comfort/comfort for daily driving, and personally like the softer setup. I don't want to loose that option "too" much.
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Yes. Likely the interior trim is more delicate as the M5 comes standard with Alcantara


Write up from the H&R spring install at Turner Motorsports :

The install of these springs took approximately 6 hours. It involves removing all four coil over (spring and strut assemblies) from the vehicle. Each coil over plugs into the EDC system which makes the removal and install of the strut assemblies a bit tricky, especially in the rear where you need to access the top of the strut from under the rear deck tray. You must remove the rear speakers and some trim pieces to access the the EDC harness and the 3 bolts holding the strut.

The most difficult and time consuming part of doing the spring install is making sure there is ample room to remove the rear strut assemblies without damaging the EDC harness on the strut its self or anything around it like the electronic emergency brake. We found the best way to do this is to disconnect the rear sway bar, remove the rear caliper with electronic emergency brake and disconnect the rear control arms. This gives plenty of room to pull out the coilover strut out of the rear wheel well. Other than that the install is relatively straight forward, the front is basically just like most other BMWs.
Hey I see that you have the Hartge springs installed for your F10 M5. Can you comment on them? How much did you pay for them also? Thanks.
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Pics will follow tomorrow as it's been out of service today for another project....
Overall ride comfort is pretty similar to stock (slightly stiffer in Comfort but not hugely noticeable with 20" wheels, drove a F10 M5 with H&R and 21" wheels which felt much stiffer in comfort mode).
So far I have to admit the kits from H&R, AC Schnitzer and Hartge are very close in ride comfort.
Handling has not changed dramatically either , slightly less body roll .
If you stick with OEM wheels you might want to consider spacers to create a more flush finish (I am going to HRE wheels soon so didn't worry about spacers for a few days/week) , probably somewhere around 5mm-10mm should do for the rear and 5mm-8mm in the front , I am assuming another more than 10mm might be too aggressive and cause rubbing in the rear.
The Hartge springs retail for ~450 Euro in Germany (http://www.hartge.de/e/bmw_fahrwerk_6571.html)
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Pics will follow tomorrow as it's been out of service today for another project....
Overall ride comfort is pretty similar to stock (slightly stiffer in Comfort but not hugely noticeable with 20" wheels, drove a F10 M5 with H&R and 21" wheels which felt much stiffer in comfort mode).
So far I have to admit the kits from H&R, AC Schnitzer and Hartge are very close in ride comfort.
Handling has not changed dramatically either , slightly less body roll .
If you stick with OEM wheels you might want to consider spacers to create a more flush finish (I am going to HRE wheels soon so didn't worry about spacers for a few days/week) , probably somewhere around 5mm-10mm should do for the rear and 5mm-8mm in the front , I am assuming another more than 10mm might be too aggressive and cause rubbing in the rear.
The Hartge springs retail for ~450 Euro in Germany (http://www.hartge.de/e/bmw_fahrwerk_6571.html)
Cool, thanks!
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Pictures of springs installed

Hi,

finally got around to take some pictures of the springs installed
Also have two pictures of the fitment / wheel gap with OEM wheels

Side View after springs installation





Rear OEM Wheel fitment with springs installation


Front OEM Wheel fitment with springs installed


and a teaser for folks ....

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WOW. Car looks fantastic. Does that steering wheel retain the heating element?
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WOW. Car looks fantastic. Does that steering wheel retain the heating element?
Thx!
No, it's the only option no longer functional. But that's true for all cars with the BMW Performance steering wheel. As it's Alcantara it won't be too bad in the morning
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Looks nice. I think you should donate your akra exhaust to the boots needs an akrapovic exhaust on his m5. Just saying...lol
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Turns put no lug nuts avail for spacers yet. Spoke to Ben at Rogue.
Have to wait for IND to get some.....
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