M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > Engine, Exhaust, Drivetrain Modifications

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-14-2013, 01:55 PM   #1
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

ECU Tune by Performing Imports

I am trying to gauge the interest in putting together a Group Tune date and time for any forum members that would be held in Phoenix, AZ, during the month of April. I believe I have 3 members already verbally committed to jump in for this tune. Coldlist has this tune has provided the background and his experience with it to which I am believer in now.

Please PM me for the tune details (cost, time involved, etc.) and possible suggestions for any other activities that might be added to this horsepower-palooza. Albert.
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-14-2013, 10:32 PM   #2
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Update

Well, so far I have 2 members signed up and one waiting for the date to be firmed up. Ron at Performing Imports says that he may be able to work on a discount for more members that want to sign up.
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-15-2013, 11:06 PM   #3
cpiguy
Captain
 
cpiguy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Westlake Village, CA

Posts: 617
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I want to sign up, but I'm in lonely So Cal.
__________________

CPIGUY
2010 M3 Coupe,2011 458 Italia
2014 911 Turbo S, 2014 X5 3.5
cpiguy is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-15-2013, 11:21 PM   #4
Rob///M5
Major
 
Rob///M5's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 M5 SSII
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,342
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpiguy
I want to sign up, but I'm in lonely So Cal.
Thinking of doing this and just driving to Phoenix. It ain't that far. Let's caravan

Other option is that we find another M5 owner or two in SoCal and do it local (would be my preference)
__________________
Rob///M5 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-15-2013, 11:36 PM   #5
ImpetuousRacer
Second Lieutenant
 
ImpetuousRacer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Posts: 212
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [0.00]
PM Sent
__________________
ImpetuousRacer is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-16-2013, 09:37 AM   #6
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ImpetuousRacer View Post
PM Sent
PM sent. By the way, the reason we chose Phoenix was that the location is fairly centralized. 2 or 3 of us from West Texas, possibly 1 from NM and whoever we can get from AZ and SoCal. The other big factor is that Ron from Performing Imports wants to do it in a City where he has access to "friendly shops".
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-16-2013, 09:46 AM   #7
cpiguy
Captain
 
cpiguy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Westlake Village, CA

Posts: 617
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by bm5bullit View Post
PM sent. By the way, the reason we chose Phoenix was that the location is fairly centralized. 2 or 3 of us from West Texas, possibly 1 from NM and whoever we can get from AZ and SoCal. The other big factor is that Ron from Performing Imports wants to do it in a City where he has access to "friendly shops".
Wish you would have picked Las Vegas. I'll be there 3 times in June and would definately sign up. Unfortunately, getting to Phoenix is not easy for me.
__________________

CPIGUY
2010 M3 Coupe,2011 458 Italia
2014 911 Turbo S, 2014 X5 3.5
cpiguy is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-16-2013, 12:46 PM   #8
Rob///M5
Major
 
Rob///M5's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 M5 SSII
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,342
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpiguy
Quote:
Originally Posted by bm5bullit View Post
PM sent. By the way, the reason we chose Phoenix was that the location is fairly centralized. 2 or 3 of us from West Texas, possibly 1 from NM and whoever we can get from AZ and SoCal. The other big factor is that Ron from Performing Imports wants to do it in a City where he has access to "friendly shops".
Wish you would have picked Las Vegas. I'll be there 3 times in June and would definately sign up. Unfortunately, getting to Phoenix is not easy for me.
Sure it is....I-10E
__________________
Rob///M5 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-16-2013, 11:19 PM   #9
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Update

I have received a few questions regarding this tune and most of them center around the same questions that affected the E39 and E60 M5's when they were new or slightly used cars. The two most common questions are: will the tune affect my warranty and will the dealer/factory be able to detect the mod. Both of these would be subject to Magnusson-Moss Act and very much affected by your relationship with your dealer.

I think most of us on the board know that these questions came up with the E39/E60 and dealers did question a small percentage of warranty claims on heavily modded cars. These are 2 very valid questions but have to be an individual choice as to whether you want to test the limits of your car stock or if you are looking for that extra margin of safety that BMW built into your car.

I, for one, am willing to accept these possibilities because I want to know what this beast can do. My .02.
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2013, 10:37 AM   #10
M3takesNYC
Banned
 
Drives: m3
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NYC

Posts: 426
iTrader: (0)

Oh for gosh sakes. The magnusson act is completely irrelevent to throwing 100 more hp on a car and tuning the ECU! The act was in place to let you replace a worn part on the car with a non-oem brand for a repair. Stating the mangusson act to the dealer when they deny your tune, or a court for that matter will get you no play.

Fact is if your engine breaks, you are screwed and should be prepared to pay for a new engine. Also goes for tranny and differential. Any parts more hp could effect. Regardless of your relationship with your SA because once a part breaks, its wayyyyyy beyond the control of the SA or even the tech. It goes to bmw NA and the computer info will pull all data such as boost etc and you will be out money to pay for a new engine or repair.

So essentially a tune will not effect any maintence or service unless something breaks and then if its expensive you will be hosed and is totally out of the control of your dealer
M3takesNYC is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2013, 11:00 AM   #11
Vic55
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Vic55's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 458 Italia Pizza Pie
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: THE Orange County

Posts: 1,979
iTrader: (8)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3takesNYC View Post
Oh for gosh sakes. The magnusson act is completely irrelevent to throwing 100 more hp on a car and tuning the ECU! The act was in place to let you replace a worn part on the car with a non-oem brand for a repair. Stating the mangusson act to the dealer when they deny your tune, or a court for that matter will get you no play.

Fact is if your engine breaks, you are screwed and should be prepared to pay for a new engine. Also goes for tranny and differential. Any parts more hp could effect. Regardless of your relationship with your SA because once a part breaks, its wayyyyyy beyond the control of the SA or even the tech. It goes to bmw NA and the computer info will pull all data such as boost etc and you will be out money to pay for a new engine or repair.

So essentially a tune will not effect any maintence or service unless something breaks and then if its expensive you will be hosed and is totally out of the control of your dealer

This is why I always say, you got to pay to play....
__________________
2015 Jaguar F Type R Coupe Polaris White
2014 Ferrari 458 Italia Rosso Corsa
2014 Audi RS7 Ibis White
2012 Audi R8 V-10 Ibis White
2012 Mercedes Benz C63 AMG Black Series Obsidian Black
Vic55 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2013, 12:00 PM   #12
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3takesNYC View Post
Oh for gosh sakes. The magnusson act is completely irrelevent to throwing 100 more hp on a car and tuning the ECU! The act was in place to let you replace a worn part on the car with a non-oem brand for a repair. Stating the mangusson act to the dealer when they deny your tune, or a court for that matter will get you no play.

Fact is if your engine breaks, you are screwed and should be prepared to pay for a new engine. Also goes for tranny and differential. Any parts more hp could effect. Regardless of your relationship with your SA because once a part breaks, its wayyyyyy beyond the control of the SA or even the tech. It goes to bmw NA and the computer info will pull all data such as boost etc and you will be out money to pay for a new engine or repair.

So essentially a tune will not effect any maintence or service unless something breaks and then if its expensive you will be hosed and is totally out of the control of your dealer
You are right on all counts >>>>>>>>>>>>> but, how else do you get the 100 HP?
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2013, 07:33 PM   #13
ColdList
Colonel
 
ColdList's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 991 TTS Cab / 2013 F12 M6
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta, GA

Posts: 2,560
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic55 View Post
This is why I always say, you got to pay to play....
+100000 on THAT!
ColdList is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2013, 04:23 PM   #14
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

I think that some of us that have been modding late model "fast cars" are seeing an "instant replay" of the rhetoric and doubts every time a new model of "fast car" is released/reviewed. There are hazards and minefields with even the simplest of mods which can turn around and bite you.

But, as happens with almost every "fast car" that comes out and is modded - way too much is made of it. The High Performance aftermarket, tuner shops with good reputations and even the factory authorized tuners cannot afford to build "Hand Grenades". The aftermarket stands to lose way too much revenue when things go bad. If one tuner puts out a bad product, the rest of the tuner market will suffer quite a bit.

Now, if you were too take all of Ron's options, along with the DP's/exhaust, bolt on some sticky slicks, hire a good 1/4 driver - you would have the makings for a long ride home in an expensive flatbed truck. Am I right Coldlist?
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2013, 05:02 PM   #15
RPiM5
Brigadier General
 
RPiM5's Avatar
 
Drives: Riviera Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Washington, D.C.

Posts: 4,548
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic55 View Post
This is why I always say, you got to pay to play....
Listen to your friend Vic. He's a cool dude.
Attached Images
 
__________________
All I know is that the next generation M5 is going to be so much faster than the F10 M5 the way that the F10 M5 is so much faster than the E60 M5 and so on.

Last edited by RPiM5; 03-20-2013 at 05:26 PM.
RPiM5 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2013, 05:47 PM   #16
ColdList
Colonel
 
ColdList's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 991 TTS Cab / 2013 F12 M6
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta, GA

Posts: 2,560
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bm5bullit View Post
I think that some of us that have been modding late model "fast cars" are seeing an "instant replay" of the rhetoric and doubts every time a new model of "fast car" is released/reviewed. There are hazards and minefields with even the simplest of mods which can turn around and bite you.

But, as happens with almost every "fast car" that comes out and is modded - way too much is made of it. The High Performance aftermarket, tuner shops with good reputations and even the factory authorized tuners cannot afford to build "Hand Grenades". The aftermarket stands to lose way too much revenue when things go bad. If one tuner puts out a bad product, the rest of the tuner market will suffer quite a bit.

Now, if you were too take all of Ron's options, along with the DP's/exhaust, bolt on some sticky slicks, hire a good 1/4 driver - you would have the makings for a long ride home in an expensive flatbed truck. Am I right Coldlist?
lol! Yes you are!
ColdList is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2013, 11:07 PM   #17
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob///M5 View Post
Thinking of doing this and just driving to Phoenix. It ain't that far. Let's caravan

Other option is that we find another M5 owner or two in SoCal and do it local (would be my preference)
Rob - are you still interested in the tune in Phoenix?
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-21-2013, 12:18 AM   #18
Rob///M5
Major
 
Rob///M5's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 M5 SSII
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,342
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by bm5bullit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob///M5 View Post
Thinking of doing this and just driving to Phoenix. It ain't that far. Let's caravan

Other option is that we find another M5 owner or two in SoCal and do it local (would be my preference)
Rob - are you still interested in the tune in Phoenix?
PM sent
__________________
Rob///M5 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-21-2013, 08:02 AM   #19
Niko1414
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2013 M6 - 2014 M6GC - 2011 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Laguna Beach, CA

Posts: 577
iTrader: (0)

OBD-II delivery of tune ? Or direct on DME
Niko1414 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-21-2013, 08:12 AM   #20
mcgm5
New Member
 
Drives: 12' GMC Savana, 13' BMW M5
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: North East

Posts: 14
iTrader: (0)

OBD-II tunes arent happening on these new cars anymore with encrypted ECU's. First the ECU will need to be unlocked via pulling it and opening it up.
mcgm5 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-21-2013, 08:12 AM   #21
mcgm5
New Member
 
Drives: 12' GMC Savana, 13' BMW M5
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: North East

Posts: 14
iTrader: (0)

Is there any information on this tune ?
mcgm5 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-21-2013, 08:46 AM   #22
bm5bullit
First Lieutenant
 
bm5bullit's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niko1414 View Post
OBD-II delivery of tune ? Or direct on DME
Ron @ Performing Imports is currently the only US license holder that can perform the ECU tune on our cars. He does not open up the ECU and does "unlock" the encryption code which allows him to tune the ECU. The reason he personally does the tunes is that any quirks, service items, or other codes that come up during the tune can be resolved by him on the spot.

I have inquired and spoken to the other "tuners" advertising a similar tune and have gotten nowhere. They do want the ECU removed and sent to them or worse. In my conversations with Ron, he has predicted what will happen when an unlicensed US tuner tries to tune the F10 - it will be removed or affected by the "learn" section of the ECU.

Please read Coldlist's build thread as he has been running this tune trouble free for a few weeks now.
__________________
2014 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - her car
2013 M5, AW, black extended merino, AMS DP's, BEL Sti-R, Laser Blinder, RKT lip, tint
2014 JK Rubicon Unlimited, Daily Driver
2011 535i - (temp car) SOLD
2008 E60 M5 - Gone
bm5bullit is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:38 AM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST