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      10-16-2013, 03:06 PM   #67
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I searched and so far found many posts covering service and minor warranty work, what I'm thinking about is similar to what I found in this post when I searched:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=18

From what I understand there is a big difference between what your local garage can detect and what BMW HQ can detect from the software. And as the former service manager posted above, it seems like a lot of data is downloaded and relayed to BMW.
Its there keep searching lots of forums to cover. Engines, transmissions, and turbos have been replaced.
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Its there keep searching lots of forums to cover. Engines, transmissions, and turbos have been replaced.
Exactly. I have faith that an ecu stock reflash based on a file that was taken off your car pre tune install is enough to get it back to where it wouldn't be worth their time to void you... THe real unknown for us f10 guys is if there are things the tunes haven't found that are logging perimeters that we won't know until the first person takes a engine, tranny, turbo VOID... Same way someone probably got their warranty voided on the 335i's when we all found out about the tuner codes popping and then in subsequent years the tuners were able to beat those.

I'd sign up if it was for 200whp or something crazy like cobb and jb4 can do on a simple map, but for 54whp or something tiny lmao hardly seems worth the trouble considering the value of the car/parts at hand
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Exactly. I have faith that an ecu stock reflash based on a file that was taken off your car pre tune install is enough to get it back to where it wouldn't be worth their time to void you... THe real unknown for us f10 guys is if there are things the tunes haven't found that are logging perimeters that we won't know until the first person takes a engine, tranny, turbo VOID... Same way someone probably got their warranty voided on the 335i's when we all found out about the tuner codes popping and then in subsequent years the tuners were able to beat those.

I'd sign up if it was for 200whp or something crazy like cobb and jb4 can do on a simple map, but for 54whp or something tiny lmao hardly seems worth the trouble considering the value of the car/parts at hand
Well Said.

BMW has picked up a development 550i so stage 2 will be out and hopefully will work on the M5. There is one member with a M6 running 11.4 with a stage1 smoking the tires and trapping near 130mph.
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      10-24-2013, 02:18 PM   #70
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I'd sign up if it was for 200whp or something crazy like cobb and jb4 can do on a simple map, but for 54whp or something tiny lmao hardly seems worth the trouble considering the value of the car/parts at hand
Exactly how I feel too. Not worth the trouble for such a small increase. I've been running a stock tune on my car for 14 months and I still think the car has more power than I could possibly use. Still, all I want is a simple top speed limiter removal with no bump in boost and still no tuner can give me just that.
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      10-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #71
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Agreed. Personally i think this car has way more power than i need. I used to have a turbo honda making 500whp and i can tell you this, it was fun and scary but it was never a worry free ride, youre always checking gauges, looking for smoke, smelling for coolant etc. Not to mention i blew a few engines too even the fully built professionally tuned ones trying to do highway pulls. The difference is, you can buy another used honda engine for 700 bucks or a built one for a couple grand. An M5 engine is upwards of 40k, thats a risk im not willing to take. Ill drive and enjoy my car the way the factory intended. More power to you guys willing to take the plunge tho, im yet to hear of anyone blowing up the engine.
No one really knows the limits of this engine and the tranny as to how much RELIABLE power they can handle. Guess time will tell
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      10-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #72
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Agreed. Personally i think this car has way more power than i need. I used to have a turbo honda making 500whp and i can tell you this, it was fun and scary but it was never a worry free ride, youre always checking gauges, looking for smoke, smelling for coolant etc. Not to mention i blew a few engines too even the fully built professionally tuned ones trying to do highway pulls. The difference is, you can buy another used honda engine for 700 bucks or a built one for a couple grand. An M5 engine is upwards of 40k, thats a risk im not willing to take. Ill drive and enjoy my car the way the factory intended. More power to you guys willing to take the plunge tho, im yet to hear of anyone blowing up the engine.
No one really knows the limits of this engine and the tranny as to how much RELIABLE power they can handle. Guess time will tell
Maybe it was just rumor and car chat talk but apparently the m3 gintani stage 3.5+ (like 700whp) can't go on the dct because it couldn't take it (a kit I was thinking about getting)... Not sure how this gen of dct's is.

Again I'm not worried about modding, I'm worried about being the first one to find out from BMW: "Oh even though you flashed it back to stock, our new bluetooth 3.2.1.1.23.56.2 auto logging das auto feature logged it and sent us changes in your car on December 5th 2013, so you're VOIDED"

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      10-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #73
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BMW has firmed up the DCT to take the extra power. But there's not much overhead from stock, just like the m3. I'd say a 10-15% increase is likely max
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Four years later, what kind of horror stories were had with F10 M5 + tunes?
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Again, old post. Haven't seen any common issues with cars under 700hp regardless of mileage. Planning on a 2014 myself. Not worried about tuning it either, ot the 200k miles its gonna get.
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Four years later, what kind of horror stories were had with F10 M5 + tunes?
@boots has a write up of over 100k miles and can chime in
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Flashback, March 2009 I brought my M3 to the dealer for a sound coming out of the engine bay.

A few days went by and the dealer told me I exceeded the computer max governed velocity more than a few times, and went over the set redline by 100rpms 1500 times.

If you're not familiar with the generic E9x tunes, they traditionally* increase the governed speed and increase third-gear redline by 100-200rpms.

According to the dealers evidence from BMW NA, I got in the habit of using the last 100rpms, 1500 times.

The shop-forman who I was on good terms with suggested I come pickup the vehicle before it's warranty red-flagged.

Now that you're all familiar with my story on a previous gen BMW with less computer logging and engine management than the new and current gen cars would you still tune your beast?
I was heavily modified and never had an issue. Bmw was always excited to have my car in for service. Hahah

All my issues were never related to the mods so they covered it without question. A friend of mine had same mods and his motor went due to a bad injector and they covered it without question.

Every dealer is different and depends on your relationships too. Some are fair while others will be quick to blame the mods. It's a hit or miss and as everyone says, mod at your own risk.
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      06-05-2017, 06:13 AM   #78
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@boots has a write up of over 100k miles and can chime in
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Using a bms piggy when they came out I think most people got a dtm until the motor got used to it being there. It was a pain in the ass for a minute. But you will end up changing your coils after using those. Piggy is a thing of the past now since so called tunes are out now.

Adding dp adds a Cel but that can be sorted out w a tune

When the "tune" first came out the one I used was too aggressive so I wasted money x3 on shipping the ecu back and forth.
Changed venders and no issues what so ever. HCP =FAST CAR.

Change of exhaust using Rpi products brings a smile.

Interior of my car still is fresh. No major issues to report.

Now remember though if you mod your car do expect some bugs to work out and everyone's bugs are different.

I've got 101,500 plus miles now and smile everyday I drive it. It's. It not going anywhere. It's a keeper until I get my 15' gt3. Who knows when that will be. Donations are welcome.
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Using a bms piggy when they came out I think most people got a dtm until the motor got used to it being there. It was a pain in the ass for a minute. But you will end up changing your coils after using those. Piggy is a RBI g of the past now since so called tunes are out now.

Adding dp adds a Cel but that can be sorted out w a tune

When the "tune" first came out the one I used was too aggressive so I wasted money x3 on shipping the ecu back and forth.
Changed venders and no issues what so ever. HCP =FAST CAR.

Change of exhaust using Rpi products brings a smile.

Interior of my car still is fresh. No major issues to report.

Now remember though if you mod your car do expect some bugs to work out and everyone's bugs are different.

I've got 101,500 plus miles now and smile everyday I drive it. It's. It going anywhere. It's a keeper until I get my 15' gt3. Who knows when that will be. Donations are welcome.
Hey boots, are you running a stage 1 tune now?
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I had mine in for a fouled plug (limp mode, etc etc) and it was replaced (along with coils) after numerous exchanges between my dealership and BMW NA.

Everything was covered completely under warranty - and I'm not stock.
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Using a bms piggy when they came out I think most people got a dtm until the motor got used to it being there. It was a pain in the ass for a minute. But you will end up changing your coils after using those. Piggy is a RBI g of the past now since so called tunes are out now.

Adding dp adds a Cel but that can be sorted out w a tune

When the "tune" first came out the one I used was too aggressive so I wasted money x3 on shipping the ecu back and forth.
Changed venders and no issues what so ever. HCP =FAST CAR.

Change of exhaust using Rpi products brings a smile.

Interior of my car still is fresh. No major issues to report.

Now remember though if you mod your car do expect some bugs to work out and everyone's bugs are different.

I've got 101,500 plus miles now and smile everyday I drive it. It's. It going anywhere. It's a keeper until I get my 15' gt3. Who knows when that will be. Donations are welcome.
Hey boots, are you running a stage 1 tune now?
We backed mine off to about 610. We will bring it back up soon.
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Chris we need to run our cars if you have time. Your running way higher than me right now on hp. I'd like to see where I stack up before I up the ante again. Have to do it this week early as I'm goi g to Australia to work for a month.
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Chris we need to run our cars if you have time. Your running way higher than me right now on hp. I'd like to see where I stack up before I up the ante again. Have to do it this week early as I'm goi g to Australia to work for a month.
Brian we can definitely do that but regardless of what power I'm making I think your #drivermod is better than mine so I might just let you drive it instead or in addition to. haha

Edit - crap, I just read this week. I don't think that is going to be possible with my schedule and us going out of town Friday.
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I leave on Sunday. If you get a minute let's try a run. I don't understand what you mean by driver mod
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I had mine in for a fouled plug (limp mode, etc etc) and it was replaced (along with coils) after numerous exchanges between my dealership and BMW NA.

Everything was covered completely under warranty - and I'm not stock.
any other details around "not stock"? tune, downpipes?
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I had mine in for a fouled plug (limp mode, etc etc) and it was replaced (along with coils) after numerous exchanges between my dealership and BMW NA.

Everything was covered completely under warranty - and I'm not stock.
any other details around "not stock"? tune, downpipes?
He has our Stage II tune and downpipes. We modify the software to hide the presence of a tune as much as possible.
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I leave on Sunday. If you get a minute let's try a run. I don't understand what you mean by driver mod
haha I meant you're probably a better driver than I am (not being sarcastic). lol
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any other details around "not stock"? tune, downpipes?
As Mike said above, I'm running his stage II tune and catless downpipes. All mods are listed in my sig below.

My SA is aware of all of my mods but BMW NA is not. I'll be purchasing an extended warranty soon and if BMW agrees to it, then I'm pretty sure that there are no 'flags' - or more probably Mike's tune hides everything extremely well.
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