Got the wheel bug

[jairomvp182]

i would say 21 should be the way to go, drop the car with kw HAS and call it a day, this example is 21s and stock suspension.

[sales@vivid]

Originally Posted by tec333

wait...what three color options?

Did they add a color? Always thought it was just silver and black?

I meant two colors.. not three. My mistake

[R3dn3k Flyby]

Always go +1" over stock.

MPSS and Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R are available in 265/305 fitment. I love my Vorti's.

ADV1 is running 8-10 weeks on new builds.

Vorsteiner's new forged line is legit. Definitely give it a look.

Strasse, HRE, and Velos are all great options as well.

Have Ralph here at Vivid assist you.

ralph@vividracing.com or PM the sales@vivid account.

-James

[josec70]

Some pix of my car on 21" Velos / Vredstein / KW HAS

21" is the way to go IMO.


http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1325207

[HXS]

If you wanna go monoblock style, I'd go 20" maximum. 21" looks too goofy/clownish in a full-faced monoblock. That's the way I see it though. Check out my car below vs. all the other monoblocks that are posted here. My 20" looks not too small, but not so big either.

If you wanna go wheels with lips, then for sure do 21". Step-lips or single-lips, do 21" with either... don't do 20" as another member previously mentioned.

I'd look into JDM wheels... they're built well and cost half as much as ADV's, HRE's, Velos, etc.

For lightweight monoblocks, check out Rays wheels... the G25 is my favorite and they have fitments for our cars.

For lipped 21", check out Leon Hardiritt Seele and Gemut; Work wheels Zeast ST-1 (pictured below); or Kranze Graben if you're into that flashy, bling look.

[evilb]

Good conversation. Personally, I think if you replaced stock forged 20" 343M's with another set of forged 20" wheels, something isn't working correctly in your head, or you enjoy setting money on fire. Why do it for a sideways move?

21" is the way to go, period. +1 always for a wheel upgrade. The only exception I see is if you're one of the very few who opted for 19" stock wheels.

Best,
Brad

[HXS]

Originally Posted by evilb

Good conversation. Personally, I think if you replaced stock forged 20" 343M's with another set of forged 20" wheels, something isn't working correctly in your head, or you enjoy setting money on fire. Why do it for a sideways move?

I can give you 4 reasons:

1. Weight - some wheels weigh less than the 343M's.

2. Offsets - run better offsets without using spacers, which has potential to break or cause wheel vibrations.

3. Widths - go wider to *safely* run 305's out back. 305's on 10's aren't recommended by any tire manufacturer.

4. Aesthetics - some people don't like the looks of the 343M's.

[LI-M5]

Originally Posted by HXS

I can give you 4 reasons:

1. Weight - some wheels weigh less than the 343M's.

2. Offsets - run better offsets without using spacers, which has potential to break or cause wheel vibrations.

3. Widths - go wider to *safely* run 305's out back. 305's on 10's aren't recommended by any tire manufacturer.

4. Aesthetics - some people don't like the looks of the 343M's.

yes yes yes and finally yes !!

Not to mention the Sexxyiness Factor

[evilb]

Originally Posted by HXS

I can give you 4 reasons:

1. Weight - some wheels weigh less than the 343M's.

2. Offsets - run better offsets without using spacers, which has potential to break or cause wheel vibrations.

3. Widths - go wider to *safely* run 305's out back. 305's on 10's aren't recommended by any tire manufacturer.

4. Aesthetics - some people don't like the looks of the 343M's.

Ok, so $5000-$10000 for a 295 to 305 tire width, more poke which can be accomplished with $200 high quality spacers, and a few pounds (stock are forged also)? Got it

[tec333]

Originally Posted by evilb

Ok, so $5000-$10000 for a 295 to 305 tire width, more poke which can be accomplished with $200 high quality spacers, and a few pounds (stock are forged also)? Got it

Yup - you should go heavier wheels, lower profile tires, increase road noise, make the ride bumpier, spend more on tires, and have less options on tires. Got it

I do like the look of 21's but I'd rather have the option of running Toyo R888's in case my mods get me to a point where I need more traction.

[R3dn3k Flyby]

For what it's worth, my 21" Vorsteiner V-FF 103 (Flow Forged Aluminum) weigh exactly the same as my stock 343M's did. Not only are they an inch taller and more aggressive offset, they're also 9.5 front and 11 rear. These are roughly $2900 MSRP with discounted pricing available through Vivid Racing. Had them on the car for roughly 1 year now and love them. Phenomenal concave profile and nice aggressive styling.

-James

[tec333]

Originally Posted by R3dn3k Flyby

For what it's worth, my 21" Vorsteiner V-FF 103 (Flow Forged Aluminum) weigh exactly the same as my stock 343M's did. Not only are they an inch taller and more aggressive offset, they're also 9.5 front and 11 rear. These are roughly $2900 MSRP with discounted pricing available through Vivid Racing. Had them on the car for roughly 1 year now and love them. Phenomenal concave profile and nice aggressive styling.

-James

How's the ride on 21's and which tires are most people going with when they go 21

[Mbdurham17]

Wow thanks to everyone for all of the input. I definitely agree that 21's are the best looking option to go with and 20's, FI-R specifically, probably the best from a performance standpoint as far as weight and tire choice (both size and manufacturers) Seems like Vred's are all thats readily available right now for 21. If i go 20 I'm going 275/305 and going to put my 601's in the corner til closer to lease turn in so i don't have any tire charges and maybe swap back and forth occasionally.

As far as spending the $$$ for another 20' wheel there are numerous reasons for me which were mentioned above, the biggest is this is my 2nd F10 M5 with 601's which i like but want to mod this one beyond tint & typical cosmetics. however I am struggling to justify spending $ on another 20" wheel if nothing is gained other than aesthetics. I could easily just go with VFF105 instead of FI-R and save some $$$ but that does seem like a lateral move or even 343m just to change things up a bit. IMHO I have not seen very many 20 aftermarket wheels that look good unless the car is slammed.

That being said I want to avoid what i have done to myself in the past a few times and mod to the point where DDing the car is a PITA. If it wasn't my DD it would probably be on 21's KWv3 Flash tune meth SSP and all the mods but then again if it wasn't my DD id probably have something different to mod for the weekends. This is why I started this thread.

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by R3dn3k Flyby

For what it's worth, my 21" Vorsteiner V-FF 103 (Flow Forged Aluminum) weigh exactly the same as my stock 343M's did. Not only are they an inch taller and more aggressive offset, they're also 9.5 front and 11 rear. These are roughly $2900 MSRP with discounted pricing available through Vivid Racing. Had them on the car for roughly 1 year now and love them. Phenomenal concave profile and nice aggressive styling.

-James

Thanks I do like the looks of the VFF103 as well as the price point. Was wondering how these held up. Its definitely an option

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by tec333

How's the ride on 21's and which tires are most people going with when they go 21

Wondering about the ride myself but from my research basically seems Vredsteins (sp?) is all that readily available right now.

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by jairomvp182

i would say 21 should be the way to go, drop the car with kw v1 and call it a day, this example is 21s and stock suspension.

Thats stock non-cp suspension correct? I almost bought those HREs on here lol. he beat me to it by about 10 minutes lol. This is what started my wheel bug

[m5 guy]

Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

Wondering about the ride myself but from my research basically seems Vredsteins (sp?) is all that readily available right now.

You can definitely get Michelin super sports or Pirelli pzeros in 21's if you do your tire sizing correctly so no stress there. For the super sports you can do 285/305 and for the pzeros you can do 275/305. At the very least you should stay at the 30mm oem difference front/rear unless you really likes to plow around. The 285/305 will actually help in terms of getting a balanced car. That is if turning is important to you of course. If you are a straight line only type of guy then you could get away with a 265/305. I would never do it though.

[evilb]

Originally Posted by m5 guy

You can definitely get Michelin super sports or Pirelli pzeros in 21's if you do your tire sizing correctly so no stress there. For the super sports you can do 285/305 and for the pzeros you can do 275/305. At the very least you should stay at the 30mm oem difference front/rear unless you really likes to plow around. The 285/305 will actually help in terms of getting a balanced car. That is if turning is important to you of course. If you are a straight line only type of guy then you could get away with a 265/305. I would never do it though.

Good post. I wonder what the 285 front tire would need from a wheel width and offset perspective to not look too 'fat' up front. May need a 21x10 for that to be optimal.

[R3dn3k Flyby]

Originally Posted by tec333

How's the ride on 21's and which tires are most people going with when they go 21

Personally, I felt no difference in ride quality. I also lowered it 3 or 4 months later on H&R sport springs and still have no complaints in ride quality.

MPSS were on backorder when I got mine, so I did the Vredestein. Love them. Zero complaints. Even if the MPSS were available, I'd probably still do the Vredestein.

Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

Thanks I do like the looks of the VFF103 as well as the price point. Was wondering how these held up. Its definitely an option

I'm a very aggressive driver, and the wheels have definitely seen some use. Roughly 15k miles over the last 12 months with numerous rallies / spirited drives, and many times over 160 mph. Zero issues. Zero vibrations. Zero damage.

I also have them on my '16 Mustang GT that my wife commutes in. The 20" version.

-James

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by m5 guy

You can definitely get Michelin super sports or Pirelli pzeros in 21's if you do your tire sizing correctly so no stress there. For the super sports you can do 285/305 and for the pzeros you can do 275/305. At the very least you should stay at the 30mm oem difference front/rear unless you really likes to plow around. The 285/305 will actually help in terms of getting a balanced car. That is if turning is important to you of course. If you are a straight line only type of guy then you could get away with a 265/305. I would never do it though.

Thank you and good to know for sure. I would rather do 275/305 in 21 as well if available. I was told MPSS were unavailable in 21 right now and Pzeros were hard to find if at all.

[josec70]

Originally Posted by tec333

How's the ride on 21's and which tires are most people going with when they go 21

I recently went to a 21" Wheel with Vredstein Tires (305/265) and feel that the ride quality has improved significantly, road noise has diminished and aesthetics have improved significantly. Vredstein tires are the real deal (I've had Pirellis, PSS and Conti's on this and previous M5's)

I was previously on 20" 343's with PSS.

[HXS]

Another thing you wanna watch out for going from 20" to 21" is bends. You're going to a lower series tire (both front and rear), and, even with the strongest of wheels, if you get the right pothole at the right speed, you'll end up getting a bend. You'll probably wanna consider this when sizing up.

Originally Posted by evilb

Ok, so $5000-$10000 for a 295 to 305 tire width, more poke which can be accomplished with $200 high quality spacers, and a few pounds (stock are forged also)? Got it

A "few pounds" in terms of wheels is a lot. And since you have that at each corner, that's a lot of rotating mass that's saved.

I have heard horror stories about spacers, and that's not even with high performance cars like our M's.

If you saw my post, a set of Volk Racing G25's goes for around $4500, not $5000-10000. You can sell your 343M's once you get these, so total cost would be about $2500.
The sizes are 20x10 F and 20x11 R, so you can go 275 F and 305 R with peace of mind.
Offsets are on point, so no spacers are needed for just the right amount of poke.
Fronts weigh 22.7 lbs each and rears 23.5 lbs each; compare that to 343M's: fronts, 24.7 lbs, rears, 25.8 lbs.
Oh and did I mention they're beautiful? Check out the concavity of Face 4!