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Ok Mr internet expert, I think you're the one a bit confused. All i said was it's too expensive and you went on to explain to me the R&D involved as if other cars like the GT-R dont need extensive R&D, the difference between a piggyback vs an ECU flash. Below is the post you replied to, feel free to show where I'm comparing a piggyback to an ECU flash. Quote:
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Second point, do you think the encryption/pwd reader solution that AMS has bought from Europe is free of charge? Tuners have tried to crack the Fxx gen DME since it came in 2010. When someone finally finds a solution, do you really think they just give it away? The cost here is probably way higher than the solution they use on the GT-R. It also involves removing the DME, opening it up to access the chip, crack the pwd and only then they can start the flashing. What is comparable is the actual software rewriting, i.e making the tune itself. One tuner was quoted a price of 400.000 Euro ($460.000,-) to buy the first solution to crack the Fxx.... And why are you suddenly bringing up the GT-R? You did not compare anything to a GT-R tune in your previous posts... No sir, you referred to tuners offering piggyback tunes Third point, Quote:
You do compare AMS with ESS here, so yes, you seem a bit confused on the difference between flash tuning and piggybacks. You even go on to say that they can't be making a profit at that price range (in a sarcastic tone) which simply put just shows that you don't seem to know the difference between the cost of a piggyback vs a software flash... Hopefully both ESS and AMS make a decent profit, but I'm pretty sure the profit margin is way higher for ESS than it is for AMS here... The hardware for the piggyback is at most around $100-300, depending on supplier. EDIT after I received a PM from Mike Benvo: Mike Benvo doesn't want to be dragged into this thread (understandably). He provided me with some interesting info though, but I won't disclose any of it here as he can do that to the public domain if and when he choose to do so himself I apologize for any inconvenience my post might have caused Mike and his company. Please find a company that offers a flash for the Fxx generation for less than $1000,- Some more interesting info on the flash process: Quote:
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aaaaaalso, sure. other people have cracked a computer that hastn been able to be cracked for 4 years but still they keep it to themselves and dont release it while thousands of dollars remain in the costumers pocket. man you are a smart businessman AND so are the companies you so talk about. |
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You must be kidding..
105hp increase for a stage I tune is fantastic! Can't wait to see what AMS achieves with their tune once it's finalized! Should be awesome!
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ESS doesn't even sell a "tune", they only offer a piggyback. So, your comparisons are for one that only offers a piggyback. So when you compare the cost of AMS and ESS, then you ARE comparing a flash tune vs a piggyback. Unless you could educate me on what you really are comparing between AMS and ESS? I mean, since ESS doesn't even offer a tune, just a piggyback... And did you see the tuner in my previous post that said he was quoted a price of 400.000 Euro ($460.000) to get access to the Fxx pwd/encryption solution? It is cheaper now, but AMS still has to pay for the encryption/pwd solution. This still is a major investment and one the tuner needs to add to the cost of the tune. Your argument would also have been better if you didn't have to resort to personal attacks to make your argument... |
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I really dont get what everyone's on about. Everyone was crying for a TRUE tune and CEL and speed limit removal and its finally here and now people are crying about the cost. Its simple....if its too expensive for you, DONT BUY IT! Stick to the piggybacks or whatever bolt ons you see value in. I see some of you guys spending 10k on ADV wheels! 3k on gruppe M intakes and upwards of 3k on exhausts and no one says anything about that. I dont see the point in spending 10k on wheels but im not knocking those of you who do. I will be getting the AMS tune because to me its money well spent.
Kudos to the AMS and IND guys for finally getting this for us F10 M5 guys
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I find it ridiculously expensive for someone to charge $3k to rewrite a memory chip on an ECU. You think that's reasonable, i dont, that's how forums work. |
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Thats what makes the world such a wonderful place! I would never spend 3k on coilovers but like i said in my post...to each their own. Different strokes for different folks. My point was i wouldnt go in a thread where theyre discussing a 3k coilover setup just to complain about the cost. Ill just keep it moving..
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Damn! I've never seen so much sissy bitch shit in a long time. Either buy the damn product or shut the phuck up? If you don't like what is posted by pass it. I'm willing to bet that 98% of these sissy bitches that cry from ALL of the tune post don't even drive their cars as intended. Geeze people. I'm gonna have to post up more camel toe pics to calm everyone down.
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This thread is awesome! I can't stop laughing and tt's uncomfortable now tho...
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I am happy to see progress has been made to give us a proper tune. As excited as I am, I'm still having a hard time quantifying the $3000 price. This may appeal to the hardcore enthusiast and to the folks that has money to burn. For many, like myself, this may be a hard pill to swallow. As an example, Dinan was attractive to many, because of their warranty. As I understand this, R&D was done by BR-P and tuners now are taking advantage of this break through. I don't know the cost to acquire the necessary skill set, tools, and pwd encryption to bring this state side, but I would think $1000 to $1500 would have been a fair price.
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This basically is a Koni coilover kit with TC Kline camber plates. The Koni coilovers, of the type used in this kit, is available for 1300-1600 from other shops. Meaning that shops probably buy them for under 1k from Koni... Add 2 camber plates that has a material cost of perhaps as much as $100 I think it's important to understand the costs involved in a product before categorically claim it's too expensive! How much has AMS paid for the pwd solution for instance? Early quotes was $460.000,- I'm pretty sure it's not that much now, but it might still be a considerable amount... Then add the same R&D cost that every new model that they make a tune for incurs. And on top of that, you need to make a profit to pay the wages and rent. At 3k they might make a huge profit, or they might have the same profit margin as they do on other tunes they offer. Neither of us know, because we do not know the cost involved in this product. You can't just assume the cost is $500 and that the rest is profit. |
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With my bigger turbo, 125hp of wet shot & methanol I'm just ready to ROCK & ROLL. LOL...... Last edited by Andym3100k; 01-22-2015 at 07:03 AM.. |
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