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remember the engine issue with the E46? The the HPFP? And the issues with a small number of S65? Now, the Beast with take complicated turbo engine and ancillaries....now just imagine what will happen to the upcoming M3/M4? |
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It sucks, but it is what it is. Still a phenominal machine!
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09-22-2012, 06:56 AM | #91 | |
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I'm still as excited to take redelivery of my car when it arrives, and the supply chain business is a bitch when one worker fails to do their job correctly it's life. We have expensive toys, and be happy we can afford them. Sorry just my two cents, and the 100k I dropped on the M5 the bank wasn't giving squat on my money. So I can't wait, and guys please enjoy the experience it's only an oil pump not an internal engine part like bearings thats when you get concerned! |
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I agree with the above mentioned optimistic point of view, and yes, it "is what it is" we will not change anything in the discussions that take place on this forum. However, many of us are let down in a myriad of ways. Some are inconvenienced much more than others in regards to this negligence on their behalf. If BMW does not offer some sort of compensation to the ones affected by this then I will certainly not have the same opinion of BMW that I have had for the last 12 years of purchasing their vehicles. I understand that this a private manufacturer's oversight, but BMW stamps their name on it. Just in the U.S. 696 cars are affected, that equals well over $ 70,000,000.00 sold in 1 quarter. Thats a substantial customer sales number and it should not be taken lightly.
The other side of this is someone like me, and I believe there was another gentlemen in the same predicament. According to someone on here, they said all cars scheduled for production (week 40 is mine) are now on hold. We have a lease ending around the time of anticipated delivery and we are now left in limbo. Do we rent a car, do we borrow a car, or do we hold onto the lease car we are driving? We are in a rock and a hard place. I do plan on taking this up with BMWNA, but I can say now with certainty that I really hope I don't receive some BS bureaucratic answer that designed be vague and keep reeled in. It is likely this is what they will do so I do not withdraw my deposit and buy a competing product for a much better deal. |
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09-22-2012, 07:11 AM | #94 |
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It's a shame that BMW learns nothing from the N54 fuel pump QC issue.
oh well, I hope BMW will rectify this for all of you guys & prevent any mishap for the upcoming F80 M3.
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BMW will extend a lease up to 3 months if you order a car and your lease ends.
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Actually it's 6 months. I've already maxed out the extensions.
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I'm glad they are doing a recall after only one failure. It is a sign they take their quality seriously. I honestly think people's anger is misplaced here. The company is doing the right thing. In the past BMW has been too late to issue recalls.
I hope they do the same with the springs even though I haven't experienced that issue yet.
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09-22-2012, 08:10 AM | #100 |
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Why do they owe you anything? The only guy they owe is barry and they sgould do more than a replacement car given time lost.
They shut down production to rectify obviously a serious issue. If you take any other industry (health care)- one faulty defibrillator and there is a recall on all of them given the potential loss. This is the right thing to do rather than cover it up- you would be much angrier if a bunch of people blew their engines and ignored it (*coils*)
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Once the owner is provided the "cease and desist" order to stop driving i'm sure if you have a an engine failure due to the oil pump you'll probably be staring at a lightening quick warranty void scenario......
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Thanks to everyone for their views on this. I'm interested in the contrary position to mine as I would really like to have my mind changed but so far I haven't heard any arguments that suffice to ease my concerns. I think it's important to remember that this isn't a used vehicle that we all were purchasing hoping that no one wrecked it or mistreated it leading to serious engine problems. I buy my cars new because I plan to keep them for a long time and do not have an interest in being saddled with a car with serious engine issues. Our (or at least my) intent and expectation was to buy a state of the art brand new problem free car with presumably no design problems that could lead to catastrophic engine failure. I was in Munich at the same time as Barry and was very distraught when his engine failed. To be honest I was hoping that the failure was because he abused the car or otherwise mistreated it. That's obviously not the case now that BMW has instituted this recall and I'm not convinced that even BMW knows what the real problem is. Further, I'm disturbed that they have not been truthful about the reason that they found out about this problem as a poster mentioned earlier in this thread. In addition, BMW has stopped production and apparently doesn't even currently have the part to fix the issue available. This is a sign of a very big issue IMHO and I think the clear implication is that BMW had not done enough testing if they identified this problem only after one of the very first US customers took delivery - and that customer had driven only a 100 or so miles and did this driving well within the break in limits. My suspicion is that this is a sign of a bigger problem and at the very least I have lost confidence in this car. If others have different or contrary thoughts on this I welcome those insights. If folks agree with me I also welcome those thoughts.
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My car showed the oil pressure warning at startup in Geneva this am. 24 hr roadside assistance is a joke, they will not send a loaner only a tow. This is now a disaster to our trip.
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Remember what happened in late 90's with the first Mercedes A series when the car rolled and crashed in an automobile magazine's test drive? Not the same, sure, but I am sensing the aftershocks of this last issue may have similar consequences to BMW's image and they better try to fix it right and quick instead of "cheap and easy"! My 1M can be my last BMW too, like another poster said before, and it is not because it has issues like this. Not yet at least. And the car is fantastic but BMW services, aftersales and everything else seem to fall way behind. Last edited by ozinaldo; 09-22-2012 at 09:39 AM.. |
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My original comments of frustration came from BMW being so vague when I received the call. I own a Ferrari 458 as well, and was very aware of engine fires burning up cars around the world. The difference is that once isolated to an oil line insulation problem, the fix was available at dealers immediately.
I just would like to know when the solution will be available at our dealers rather than being told that letters will be going out with further information sometime in October. When I pushed BMWNA about the timing of the replacement oil pump, his supervisor confirmed that they will not have any further information until the middle of October. Really??? I’m a pretty low key guy and certainly get that this type of thing happens. I just expect specific info on the resolution rather than what appeared to be BS.
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This is the scenario I would dread the most (running without oil, but not quite long enough to totally grenade the engine). If the oil pump actually failed, they should AT A MINIMUM give you a free 100K warranty on the engine.
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