M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > BMW M5 (F10) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-12-2018, 01:06 AM   #1
djseto
Second Lieutenant
17
Rep
233
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NC

iTrader: (0)

To trade or not to trade...

Looking for some insight...

I bought my CPO Ď13 about 1.5 years ago. It had 31k miles and currently is at ~52k miles. My CPO is good until Aug 2019 or 100k miles.

Iíve been debating recently whether to keep her or not. Iím about due for rear tires and rear brakes. I am at a point in my finance where Iím just about even on what I owe and what itís worth. Iím really torn because I both love and hate this car. I love the power, refinement, looks, and rareness of the M5. I donít love the chainsaw like handling compared to the scalpel like precision of my E92 M3 of the past. I also donít like that I feel like I always need to drive her at 6/10ths because that line between fun and ďdangerĒ is pretty thin with all the power it has. Iíve always preferred to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

Iíve been thinking about getting something with less HP but better overall handling. I test drove a VW GTI and while itís a bit small, I drove it like a hooligan and loved it. Seriously though, I see the GTI is pretty universally loved as the perfect every day car. Not sure that would be the next option but it got me thinking.

If I keep the M, in 2.5 years, Iíll have a paid off M5 with probably 80k miles. Along the way, I know I probably have $5k in for maintanance (brakes, tires, etc.).

My ďfearĒ with this car is whether or not itís a good long term keeper. Regular maintainance costs aside, I have no idea how this engine will age and what body part Iím going to have to sell if something major goes wrong outside of warranty. Now, I can go get something ďfunĒ thatís less expensive to maintain for basically the same money as if I just kept her and paid her off. With a baby on the way, itís not that I canít afford to keep it...itís more of should i.

Iím curious what some of you think about the future longevity and reliability of the F10 M5. I really wish I had kept my E92 M3 since it was the last of the V8ís. Is there anything about this M5 that makes her ďspecialĒ in the long run or something thatís going to hold itís value..even when itís approaching 100k miles?
Appreciate 0
      02-12-2018, 06:42 AM   #2
JMD
MGySgt
JMD's Avatar
United_States
145
Rep
574
Posts

Drives: See Garage List! ;-)
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NORVA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2010 535xi  [0.00]
2013 M5  [0.00]
2010 M5  [0.00]
2012 X5 M  [0.00]
Sir,...if you weren't aware of your current fear,...of the M5,..you, perhaps bought the wrong car for long term. Just think how NASA feels about the Space Shuttle from a long term operations standpoint! That said,....you will always face long term cost concerns with any vehicle. The questions are: What can go wrong,...What will go wrong! and does one has the resources to pay for whatever does go wrong! That said,..sooner or later something on ALL cars will need to be either replaced,...or repaired,..especially wear and tear items!

Hth!
__________________
JMD
Appreciate 0
      02-12-2018, 08:24 AM   #3
djseto
Second Lieutenant
17
Rep
233
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NC

iTrader: (0)

Thanks...I think. The M5 isn’t a Honda Accord. Yes, all cars will need some sort of love but I know there are folks on this board who are WAY more into the nitty gritty details of this car, this engine, and BMWs in general. I know there are people who dump these things as soon as they are done with their leases or when they hit X miles. I’m hoping someone who’s more of a gear head can provide their insight into potential or known issue with M cars as they age or if there are “known” iissue with his engine as they hit old mileage. I realize that no one can predict the future. Perhaps someone with a car that has hit more miles has info on what, if any, major issues,have arisen from a non tracked/modded car? I know the E60 M5 had engine reliability issues, the SMG tranny was crap, etc.

Last edited by djseto; 02-12-2018 at 08:32 AM.
Appreciate 0
      02-12-2018, 09:41 PM   #4
///3dkn
Major
///3dkn's Avatar
United_States
725
Rep
1,251
Posts

Drives: F10 M5 // F15 X5 35d
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Unknown

iTrader: (8)

You should probably just go get yourself a GTi.
Appreciate 0
      02-12-2018, 10:04 PM   #5
gdavis
Private
gdavis's Avatar
24
Rep
85
Posts

Drives: E60 M5, F10 M5
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Sounds like you bought the wrong car. If you're not comfortable in it....dump it and get something you say "I can't imagine not having that in my garage".
__________________
'14 M5 CP
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2018, 07:35 AM   #6
Craze
Private First Class
16
Rep
127
Posts

Drives: M5 E60, M5 F10, X5 50i
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Australia

iTrader: (0)

Sounds like you may have made up your mind

however be aware that sometimes memories are not best relived, as you progress as a driver or the taste in cars if you got the m3 again it may not be as razor sharp as you remember
Or perhaps it will be?
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2018, 06:51 PM   #7
djseto
Second Lieutenant
17
Rep
233
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NC

iTrader: (0)

I revisited the GTI and it’s going to be too small as a replacement. It’s not that I’m not comfortable in the M5 as much as the M reputation for being crazy expensive to own once they age.

The M5 is like my 12th car in the last 15 years. I get the itch every so often but with a kid on the way, the itch changes a bit. I’m not sure I’ve owned a car that I can say I can’t live without. Nothing handled like my C7 Corvette (for the money) but it had its quirks too. After a weekend of driving a few cars, nothing screamed at me so the plan is to keep the M5 for now and revisit down the road.

Ultimately, I was hoping that someone with a high mileage F10 would share how their car has aged.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2018, 08:24 PM   #8
Revms1
Lieutenant
44
Rep
535
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: New york

iTrader: (1)

I was in the same boat as you were. 13 cpo until 9/2018 and debated whether or not to keep her. Though I love the power of the m5, driving it on local streets and some highway doesnít let this car do what itís meant to do and cops are everywhere. I decided to sell her last week as I have a daily driver that I use and rarely drove the m5. I have been eyeballing an e93 m3 but will wait until I buy an investment property first.
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2018, 08:40 AM   #9
Mkai0
Second Lieutenant
25
Rep
206
Posts

Drives: F10 M5 Black
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Unknown

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by djseto View Post
I revisited the GTI and itís going to be too small as a replacement. Itís not that Iím not comfortable in the M5 as much as the M reputation for being crazy expensive to own once they age.

The M5 is like my 12th car in the last 15 years. I get the itch every so often but with a kid on the way, the itch changes a bit. Iím not sure Iíve owned a car that I can say I canít live without. Nothing handled like my C7 Corvette (for the money) but it had its quirks too. After a weekend of driving a few cars, nothing screamed at me so the plan is to keep the M5 for now and revisit down the road.

Ultimately, I was hoping that someone with a high mileage F10 would share how their car has aged.
Speak to Boots. He drives the crap out of his 13í M5 and has 100k plus miles. These cars are very stout. I too, have looked into getting something else, but I keep coming back to how the all aroundness of this car is very hard to beat for the $$. The M5 is my 18th car in 17 years, and one of my favorites. My LS2 swapped FD RX7 was my favorite car, but the M5 stock would take it on the highway without a sweat while being very comfortable. I love sports cars, but being able to run with some of the big boys in a luxury sedan is badass.
Appreciate 0
      02-20-2018, 05:57 PM   #10
JMD
MGySgt
JMD's Avatar
United_States
145
Rep
574
Posts

Drives: See Garage List! ;-)
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NORVA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2010 535xi  [0.00]
2013 M5  [0.00]
2010 M5  [0.00]
2012 X5 M  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revms1 View Post
I was in the same boat as you were. 13 cpo until 9/2018 and debated whether or not to keep her. Though I love the power of the m5, driving it on local streets and some highway doesnít let this car do what itís meant to do and cops are everywhere. I decided to sell her last week as I have a daily driver that I use and rarely drove the m5. I have been eyeballing an e93 m3 but will wait until I buy an investment property first.
You will find that the F10 M5 handles your local roads better than the M3,...that is, in terms of rough pavement, etc. The F10 M5 has more structural substance,...it's more car,...better sound isolation, etc.

You'd simply be trading one M car for another M car.
__________________
JMD
Appreciate 0
      02-20-2018, 07:09 PM   #11
Flying Ace
Major General
Flying Ace's Avatar
United_States
3217
Rep
9,295
Posts

Drives: M6GC ZCP, X5d
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

hard to say...all cars have a compromise. You have to figure out what ones are more important to you.

Personally, I never can figure out the GTI thing...it's not an upgrade, far from it in all categories.
__________________
12 AW/Cinnamon X5 Diesel Urban Assault Vehicle
14 AW M6GC ZCP, MPE, e-wheel, vorsteiner spoiler
08 SSII E90 M3 (Sold!)
Appreciate 0
      02-26-2018, 02:29 PM   #12
djseto
Second Lieutenant
17
Rep
233
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NC

iTrader: (0)

I traded my M5 in for 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia. It's been a little less than a week and I can't say I miss the M5 very much. The Alfa is everything the media/press have been saying. The handling, steering, and chassis are sublime. It feels like what BMW used to be 15-20 years ago. I doesn't have the brute acceleration of the M5 as I didn't get the $80k 500HP Quadrofoglio. Instead, I got a loaded RWD with the turbo 4. With 280HP and 306 ft lb of torque, the engine is well mated to the chassis. It's light, nimble, and so much fun to drive while being very comfortable as a daily driver. The adaptive suspension is solid and the mechanical limited slip makes rotating the car fun, but not crazy like when you get all the instant power of the M5.

Even if you have no desire to own one, I'd encourage any car enthusiast to go drive one. Alfa def figured out the sport in sport sedan. It's not quite as wide as the M5 but interior space wise, it's not much smaller than the M5. The M5 was just longer in the front and back.

I went with a 3 years lease since the jury is out on Alfa reliability but all the issues from what I've seen on the Guilia forums is mostly with 2017 (first year) and most were electrical things have been resolved via software updates. Not that Motor Trend is the end all be all, but even they stated that during their Car of the Year evaluation (which the Alfa won), they didnt' have a single issue with the several ones they evaluated compared to the 2017 they reviewed and loved but had challenges.

It's been fun. I'll have my AWE Tuning Touring Exhaust for sale in the Classified sections later this week in case anyone is interested. Actually..that's the one thing I do miss...the sound of the M5...
Appreciate 0
      02-26-2018, 10:52 PM   #13
josec70
Major
382
Rep
1,493
Posts

Drives: 2015 BSM M5
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Miami

iTrader: (1)

Congrats!
__________________
15' F10 M5| BSM| B&O | KW HAS | Velos S2 2PC Forged 21" | Powerstop Z17 (Front) - Akebono (Rear)| IND Package| Velos Stage 1| CF RKP Lip | CF M-Performance Rear Center Diffuser | Akrapovic Exhaust | K&N | Charcoal Delete
Appreciate 0
      02-26-2018, 11:29 PM   #14
WickedBMW
First Lieutenant
WickedBMW's Avatar
United_States
-85
Rep
392
Posts

Drives: BMW M5
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: CA

iTrader: (4)

Enjoy it. Keep us posted on your experience.
Appreciate 0
      03-19-2018, 11:22 PM   #15
irishbimmer
Lieutenant
304
Rep
417
Posts

Drives: 2015 BMW M5 CP
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Oraange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Love to hear from someone who has the full-boat Alfa ride with the big motor and all. Congrats on you acquisition!
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:20 AM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST