Best Radar Detector??

[Vortex Radar]

SP, is this also the case with the latest version of the app? I believe there were some issues with lockouts with earlier versions of the app. I don't use it much myself since I don't like the way radar alerts are presented (same red LED alert as laser and there's an audio delay with alerts going through my stereo).

The front antenna not alerting, I've heard of one or two people reporting that, and usually replacing a faulty antenna is the solution.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Vortex Radar

SP, is this also the case with the latest version of the app? I believe there were some issues with lockouts with earlier versions of the app. I don't use it much myself since I don't like the way radar alerts are presented (same red LED alert as laser and there's an audio delay with alerts going through my stereo).

The front antenna not alerting, I've heard of one or two people reporting that, and usually replacing a faulty antenna is the solution.

Yes I am running the latest app and the latest firmware.

Where do you live? I am in metropolitan Atlanta. 30305. Lots of traffic, lots of luxury cars with autonomous features, lots of automatic door openers on buildings. This is where it doesn't work. I have no doubt that if you live in Ohio or Southern Virginia or somewhere like that, then this sort of thing won't be an issue.

The car brands I have encountered issues with filtering include: Toyota, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, Lexus, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche. I sometimes have problems with newer Fords too.

When I bought the Net Radar I was told it could filter everything except one particular model of GM SUV (Traverse and it's platform siblings).

I hate the NetRadar so much, I am tempted to just replace it despite having only had it a year. However since my ALP laser jammers work fine, I am waiting for the radar only version of the ci360 or the full 6 jammer model and once I get that, Net Radar is out of here. In the mean time when I am in the city I run it on KA only.

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Yes I am running the latest app and the latest firmware.

Where do you live? I am in metropolitan Atlanta. 30305. Lots of traffic, lots of luxury cars with autonomous features, lots of automatic door openers on buildings. This is where it doesn't work. I have no doubt that if you live in Ohio or Southern Virginia or somewhere like that, then this sort of thing won't be an issue.

The car brands I have encountered issues with filtering include: Toyota, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, Lexus, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche. I sometimes have problems with newer Fords too.

When I bought the Net Radar I was told it could filter everything except one particular model of GM SUV (Traverse and it's platform siblings).

I hate the NetRadar so much, I am tempted to just replace it despite having only had it a year. However since my ALP laser jammers work fine, I am waiting for the radar only version of the ci360 or the full 6 jammer model and once I get that, Net Radar is out of here. In the mean time when I am in the city I run it on KA only.

Ah wow, when I ran the NR, I don't recall it falsing to all those types of vehicles. It was one of the better filtering RD's. I can always try running it to see how it compares, but I just got the new Max360c in so that's my focus.

I'm in Seattle near Microsoft so we have our fair share of higher end vehicles as well. That said, other than GM/Honda/Acura, most RD's should be good against BSM's.

I talked to Escort at SEMA about a radar only version of the MaxCi and they were very clear that they have zero intention of producing a radar only version of it, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Have you looked at the upcoming RC-M? That's looking really impressive so far and can integrate with your ALP as well.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Vortex Radar

Ah wow, when I ran the NR, I don't recall it falsing to all those types of vehicles. It was one of the better filtering RD's. I can always try running it to see how it compares, but I just got the new Max360c in so that's my focus.

I'm in Seattle near Microsoft so we have our fair share of higher end vehicles as well. That said, other than GM/Honda/Acura, most RD's should be good against BSM's.

I talked to Escort at SEMA about a radar only version of the MaxCi and they were very clear that they have zero intention of producing a radar only version of it, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Have you looked at the upcoming RC-M? That's looking really impressive so far and can integrate with your ALP as well.

Just watched your RC-M video. Looks interesting. But - Does it have the automatic lockout feature and is it a standalone product?

From my perspective I would be willing to run a CI360 even if you have to buy the whole thing, but the 6 sensor setup is key. Do you know when they will release that?

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Just watched your RC-M video. Looks interesting. But - Does it have the automatic lockout feature and is it a standalone product?

From my perspective I would be willing to run a CI360 even if you have to buy the whole thing, but the 6 sensor setup is key. Do you know when they will release that?

It has manual lockouts, not autolockouts. It is standalone, as opposed to the HD+ which was a Radenso antenna plugged into the ALP and using the ALP interface. The RC-M is basically that same antenna, plus MRCD capabilities, in a standalone package with Radenso's own interface. The ALP can plug into that and provide laser jamming capabilities.

The CI360 does look cool. On the laser side it's basically an ALP knock-off with less performance. It also currently only supports 4 heads. A bridge box is coming to allow for up to 6 heads, but that's lower on the priority list and so who knows when it'll actually come out. Escort isn't saying a release date and it's one of those "someday" things that I do think they'll release eventually.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Vortex Radar

On the laser side it's basically an ALP knock-off with less performance. It also currently only supports 4 heads. A bridge box is coming to allow for up to 6 heads, but that's lower on the priority list and so who knows when it'll actually come out. Escort isn't saying a release date and it's one of those "someday" things that I do think they'll release eventually.

I don't think there is any evidence it has lower performance. Just that it has fewer sensors, and with fewer sensors it is less effective against the Dragoneye

If you ran it with 6 sensors would it also be less effective? I doubt it. The ALP also fails against the dragon eye with 2 sensors on the front.

I agree with you that it's not looking promising in terms of timing on the 6 sensors. Escort seems mainly concerned with selling windshield units.

The best answer here seems to be to run ALP with an Escort CI360 full system with lidar in receive mode. That's what some people on the 911 Turbo board are doing.

The RC-M is interesting but it also doesn't have auto lockout. Auto Lockout is the killer feature in radar just as jamming VPR guns is the killer feature in lidar defense.

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I don't think there is any evidence it has lower performance. Just that it has fewer sensors, and with fewer sensors it is less effective against the Dragoneye

I've shot a MaxCi360 (on a Model S) against my PL3 and struggled to get JTG performance. Shooting another Model S with ALP's (I've tested several), it was JTG.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

If you ran it with 6 sensors would it also be less effective? I doubt it.

That's simply up for speculation, but if you take a closer look at the jamming algorithm Escort implemented, you'll see it's an older ALP technique.

Heck, the Model S that I tested had both heads focused close to the front plate and even still had PT's on the front plate. It's not an issue due to lack of heads and thus sensitivity. It's an issue based on the jamming algorithm that Escort is using.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The ALP also fails against the dragon eye with 2 sensors on the front.

My vehicle is JTG against the DragonEye with ALP duals up front.

I've also shot other vehicles that were able to do that too. Triples improve things, especially on larger vehicles, but they're not 100% necessary.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The best answer here seems to be to run ALP with an Escort CI360 full system with lidar in receive mode. That's what some people on the 911 Turbo board are doing.

That's a pricey option, but I agree that it would be a fantastic one.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The RC-M is interesting but it also doesn't have auto lockout. Auto Lockout is the killer feature in radar just as jamming VPR guns is the killer feature in lidar defense.

It is certainly a nice feature, no doubt about it. There's always going to be trade-offs, for better or for worse. If you're cool with locking signals out manually initially, then you get a lot of great benefits. If you've got your heart set on autolockouts, then you have to make compromises in other areas.

The search for the ultimate radar detector continues...

[Herofmine]

Does escort ci360 really worth it? I think it's overpriced. Running ALP with Beltronics STI-R Plus never let me down yes it has some issues and false alrets but it's not thousands of dollars difference between these two systems.

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by Herofmine

Does escort ci360 really worth it? I think it's overpriced. Running ALP with Beltronics STI-R Plus never let me down yes it has some issues and false alrets but it's not thousands of dollars difference between these two systems.

Escort has been seriously pissing off their customer base lately and treating the community like garbage so it's becoming harder and harder to recommend their products nowadays. With the competition releasing better performing products for less money, Escort isn't handling it well to say the least. The Escort from 10-20 years ago is not the same as Escort today, especially after they were bought out by an investment company a few years back. If we set that all aside...

The appeal of the MaxCi360 is very nice integration between radar and laser. The radar side is really good in terms of performance and filtering, you've got your GPS lockouts built into the product and they're automatic and don't require a phone. (With the ALP, lockouts are manual'ish and requires a phone.) The differentiation between radar and laser alerts is better, you've got Bluetooth integration for realtime alerts shared via the cloud, and so on.

So it has advantages, but it's also more expensive, the laser side isn't as good as the ALP, Escort has a lousy track record of important updates, and so on. Heck, when updates are needed, they'll do everything in their power to silence those who recognize and point out issues that need to be fixed, posts get deleted and censored off their forum, customers get banned off their forum, and maybe eventually Escort will release bug fixes to fix the issues that their customers point out. So the user experience after purchasing isn't all that great anymore. Instead of supporting their products long term, they're more about releasing new (and even more expensive products) to get you to buy the next latest and greatest thing and spend more money with them.

[Herofmine]

Originally Posted by Vortex Radar

Escort has been seriously pissing off their customer base lately and treating the community like garbage so it's becoming harder and harder to recommend their products nowadays. With the competition releasing better performing products for less money, Escort isn't handling it well to say the least. The Escort from 10-20 years ago is not the same as Escort today, especially after they were bought out by an investment company a few years back. If we set that all aside...

The appeal of the MaxCi360 is very nice integration between radar and laser. The radar side is really good in terms of performance and filtering, you've got your GPS lockouts built into the product and they're automatic and don't require a phone. (With the ALP, lockouts are manual'ish and requires a phone.) The differentiation between radar and laser alerts is better, you've got Bluetooth integration for realtime alerts shared via the cloud, and so on.

So it has advantages, but it's also more expensive, the laser side isn't as good as the ALP, Escort has a lousy track record of important updates, and so on. Heck, when updates are needed, they'll do everything in their power to silence those who recognize and point out issues that need to be fixed, posts get deleted and censored off their forum, customers get banned off their forum, and maybe eventually Escort will release bug fixes to fix the issues that their customers point out. So the user experience after purchasing isn't all that great anymore. Instead of supporting their products long term, they're more about releasing new (and even more expensive products) to get you to buy the next latest and greatest thing and spend more money with them.

+1 that's why i do bot recommend their products to my customers. I did a lot of ALP and integrated radar installations so far no complaints, i explain them before head that there is false alerts sometimes.

[josec70]

Completely agree in regards to Escort. I own a 360 and the most recent firmware update took over a year to release and is far from perfect. Certainly not the Escort of old as Vortex mentioned; will be looking elsewhere when the time comes to purchase another radar.

[M5Dan]

Escort 9500IX paired with a Blinder HP-905 Laser Jammer has saved me for years especially on I-75 when I used to drive from Ohio to Florida for family. I like how it automatically locks out false alarms with GPS or you can lock and unlock manually by pushing the mute button three times. The Blinder HP-905 is the best laser jammer hands down best price, smallest stealthy laser heads and best customer support/service. Everyone on this post thinks Anit-Laser Priority (ALP) is the new king but the reality is they copied Blinder and are in court with them now about that. I can get anyone on here discounted forum member pricing for a Blinder HP-905 laser jammer through some clients of mine that are Authorized retailers. PM me

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by M5Dan

Escort 9500IX paired with a Blinder HP-905 Laser Jammer has saved me for years especially on I-75 when I used to drive from Ohio to Florida for family. I like how it automatically locks out false alarms with GPS or you can lock and unlock manually by pushing the mute button three times. The Blinder HP-905 is the best laser jammer hands down best price, smallest stealthy laser heads and best customer support/service. Everyone on this post thinks Anit-Laser Priority (ALP) is the new king but the reality is they copied Blinder and are in court with them now about that. I can get anyone on here forum member pricing for a Blinder HP-905 laser jammer. PM me

While that equipment could do the job, that's really dated hardware at this point.

The 9500ix was fine for its time and that autolockout capability is cool, the 9500ix's performance is poor and false filtering is dated. The detector has since been discontinued and replaced by better performing modern versions.

The HP-905 is also incapable of jamming all the lidar guns in use around the country. It works against older lidar guns, but not the latest ones. The hardware is a generation old now and the jammer hasn't been updated in nearly 3 years. Officers in many states including Ohio and Florida as well as states in between such as Georgia use newer laser guns like the DragonEye with more sophisticated anti-jamming technology that the HP-905 can not handle. The market has since moved forward and companies like AntiLaser, Escort, and Stinger now offer jammers that can jam the latest guns, but the HP-905 is unable to do that and so it would not be wise to purchase one in this day in age.

[Darkshear]

So what's the general consensus on the best stand-alone lidar jammer? I still have my V1 (X and K bands completely disabled) so I'd prefer to avoid a full system. I'm in FL so something that works against the DragonEye is a must.

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by Darkshear

So what's the general consensus on the best stand-alone lidar jammer? I still have my V1 (X and K bands completely disabled) so I'd prefer to avoid a full system. I'm in FL so something that works against the DragonEye is a must.

I'm actually gonna be shooting a video on the subject later today. Here's a comparison article that covers the topic.

https://www.vortexradar.com/2017/10/...ammer-reviews/

[M5Dan]

Originally Posted by Darkshear

So what's the general consensus on the best stand-alone lidar jammer? I still have my V1 (X and K bands completely disabled) so I'd prefer to avoid a full system. I'm in FL so something that works against the DragonEye is a must.

Blinder HP-905 is the best laser! Price, size of jammers, (smallest available) and ease of installation. HP-905 jammer WILL JAM the latest guns at a distance and may get a punch through from the latest guns like Dragon eye that you see in Canada at close range but it will still jam them enough and alert you long enough for you to slow down to the proper speed.

Blinder has been around for 16 years. Laser interceptor isn't around anymore because they copied Blinders jammers and got sued by Blinder same thing happened to Anti laser priority they are in the process of going to court with Blinder now because of patent disputes.

Here is proof that the Blinder HP-905 will jam Dragon eye.

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[M5Dan]

Originally Posted by Vortex Radar

While that equipment could do the job, that's really dated hardware at this point.

The 9500ix was fine for its time and that autolockout capability is cool, the 9500ix's performance is poor and false filtering is dated. The detector has since been discontinued and replaced by better performing modern versions.

The HP-905 is also incapable of jamming all the lidar guns in use around the country. It works against older lidar guns, but not the latest ones. The hardware is a generation old now and the jammer hasn't been updated in nearly 3 years. Officers in many states including Ohio and Florida as well as states in between such as Georgia use newer laser guns like the DragonEye with more sophisticated anti-jamming technology that the HP-905 can not handle. The market has since moved forward and companies like AntiLaser, Escort, and Stinger now offer jammers that can jam the latest guns, but the HP-905 is unable to do that and so it would not be wise to purchase one in this day in age.

[QUOTE=Vortex Radar;22603657]

Originally Posted by M5Dan

Escort 9500IX paired with a Blinder HP-905 Laser Jammer has saved me for years especially on I-75 when I used to drive from Ohio to Florida for family. I like how it automatically locks out false alarms with GPS or you can lock and unlock manually by pushing the mute button three times. The Blinder HP-905 is the best laser jammer hands down best price, smallest stealthy laser heads and best customer support/service. Everyone on this post thinks Anit-Laser Priority (ALP) is the new king but the reality is they copied Blinder and are in court with them now about that. I can get anyone on here forum member pricing for a Blinder HP-905 laser jammer. PM me

Here is the ALP laser jammer that you say will work against a dragon eye laser gun not working against a dragon eye laser gun. This cop quickly got a punch through on the ALP.

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[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by M5Dan

Here is the ALP laser jammer that you say will work against a dragon eye laser gun not working against a dragon eye laser gun. This cop quickly got a punch through on the ALP.

It is true no laser jammer is perfect and just like with radar detectors, it's about helping lean the odds in your favor, not making yourself bulletproof in all situations. However, with a good laser jammer and proper installation, you can get good protection.

That guy was on RDF and the issue with this encounter was 1) the extreme angle that he got shot from and 2) the fact that he had his heads mounted low and far apart, both of which can compromise the effectiveness of the jammer. In yellow is where his heads were mounted.



The heads are designed to be installed ideally in the central grill area. One issue with BMW's is that the vertical grill slats make a horizontal installation impossible without cutting the grill. You can get away with a lower mount in easier situations, but in tougher encounters like this, you will see the limitations.

Additionally, due to the curvature of the BMW's front end, it's also recommended to bring the outer heads a bit farther forward as needed to ensure that they can see shots coming from a sharper angle like this. It's possible that the passenger side head was unable to see the lidar gun and so it wasn't participating in the jamming.

AL has since released new TX (transmit) sensors specifically designed to improve DragonEye jamming capabilities. It has additional transmitters to help cover a wider target area, helping in off-axis shots like this, plus it allows for vertical mounting of the standard heads so they can be installed in the kidney grill and thus closer to the headlights and grill where the officer will be shooting.

In the photo above, if you look at the green spots, that's where the normal heads can be installed vertically. The Tx head is the smaller green block in the center. (It's 1.06" wide. I'm not sure how much space there is in the grill slats of your particular vehicle.)

The Tx heads also allow the ALP to improve its jamming algorithm against the DragonEye to help make the jamming process itself more effective.

Proper installation of any jammer is critical to ensure maximum effectiveness of your jammer and it's one of the reasons why installation and then testing afterwards is so critical. There's a number of variables and things you can tweak to ensure maximum performance. Better to fix this stuff in testing and not after a ticket.

[Vortex Radar]

Originally Posted by M5Dan

HP-905 jammer WILL JAM the latest guns at a distance and may get a punch through from the latest guns like Dragon eye that you see in Canada at close range but it will still jam them enough and alert you long enough for you to slow down to the proper speed.

Blinder has been around for 16 years. Laser interceptor isn't around anymore because they copied Blinders jammers and got sued by Blinder same thing happened to Anti laser priority they are in the process of going to court with Blinder now because of patent disputes.

Here is proof that the Blinder HP-905 will jam Dragon eye.

So a couple things to keep in mind. That video is from 2014.

Since then DragonEye has released more sophisticated anti-jamming capabilities. Same looking gun on the outside but different software and anti-jamming algorithms. Blinder and Laser Interceptor were able to jam some of the early Laser Ally variants because the lookup table technique that Blinder has a patent on was a technique that you could use against those early guns.

The early guns had variable but predictable pulse patterns. Because you could predict all the different possible pulse patterns, you could program them all in ahead of time and the jammer could jam them when it sees a pattern it recognizes.

However, since then newer guns have switched to random pulse patterns and every time the officer pulls the trigger, the laser gun fires a completely new pulse pattern. Once this happened, Blinder's technique of programming in different known pulse patterns was no longer effective and wouldn't be a feasible option moving forward.

If AntiLaser (and everyone else) was still using Blinder's technique today, they would not be able to jam the latest implementations of modern guns.

Without going into too much technical detail since this is a public discussion, let me just say that the HP-905 can no longer handle jamming the latest guns. That is a well-known fact.

New jammers have regular updates to allow them to continue jamming newer iterations of that gun so they can keep up with the everchanging cat and mouse game. The HP-905 hasn't been updated in years. Take it for what it's worth.

[M4ever2016]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those fancy noise makers don't work. Cops have instant on technology if they are running RADAR like they are supposed to they already have your speed before it even makes a sound.

[AJJ3]

Originally Posted by M4ever2016

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those fancy noise makers don't work. Cops have instant on technology if they are running RADAR like they are supposed to they already have your speed before it even makes a sound.

What is the correct way to run Radar? 90% of the time I run into cops running Constant on.

[M4ever2016]

Visually observe the vehicle speeding and then activate radar to confirm speed and then lock the speed in. Literally takes 2 seconds