11-04-2013, 01:00 AM | #155 | |
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But then I don't understand how you can use the same videos to claim that the MHR M6 shows a "great variance" in performance Just as you don't believe the 458 vs 911 videos, because they might have undisclosed mods, sandbag etc, why do you believe the videos where the MHR M6 races with the 911 and 458. After all the same points must be valid for those races as well Since you based your initial claims regarding the MHR M6 on these videos, you must have placed some trust in them then... It doesn't seem logic that the videos only can be used to disprove the MHR M6, but not to see how the 911 and 458 compared on the same day, same conditions etc? And regarding trap speed. How do you/we know that the same "reservations" you have with the GT Board events isn't true on a drag strip as well? And make sure that we compare times set under identical circumstances... In the DragTimesInfo drag the 911 has a 5,5km/h faster trap speed than the 458 in the 1/4-mile. Only at the 1-mile distance is the 458 just under 2km/h faster... And in this comparison test done by C&D the Porsche 911 achieves 2.7 seconds to 60, to 100 mph in 6.4, through the quarter-mile in 10.8 at 129! and the 458 flashes to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.5 at 125 mph... http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test All of this seems, to me, to back up the GT Board results Last edited by Boss330; 11-04-2013 at 02:13 AM.. |
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Here you go , can't argue with this. Oh and TTM6 who has 630whp/598wtq with a piggyback tune ( more power than Manhart ) , had a best trap of 127mph at the strip recently , less than both the stock 911 Turbo S and the 458 .
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11-04-2013, 02:15 AM | #158 | |
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As I said previously, times posted must be compared with respect to what conditions they were set under. Humidity, altitude, temperature, track conditions etc. That's why shootouts like GT Board are so good, the conditions are equal for all the cars. So times/results are comparable. No excuses. In this comparison test done by C&D the Porsche 911 achieves 2.7 seconds to 60, to 100 mph in 6.4, through the quarter-mile in 10.8 at 129! The 458 flashes to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.5 at 125 mph... Comaparable as the tests are done by the same people, on the same track and under similar circumstances. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test All of this seems, to me, to back up the GT Board results Last edited by Boss330; 11-04-2013 at 02:24 AM.. |
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11-04-2013, 02:28 AM | #159 | |
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So are you now saying that since the MHR M6 beats both 911 turbo S and 458 that it either has more power than you thought, or that BOTH the 458 and 911 Turbo S are sandbagging? And the MHR Stage IV has been verified at 660WHP, so more than the car you have times for... http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=830347 |
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I'll post the videos once again, just for you, so you can check once again if it's a Turbo S or not And Porsche 911 Turbo S vs 458 Italia: Here is the DragTimesInfo video, although a standing start, the 458 never catches up or closes in on the 911 (as it should have if it's faster once rolling...) |
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I understand that your point now is that both the Turbo S and the 458 should be faster than the MHR M6, right? That only leads to one conclusion: Either the MHR M6 has more power than you thought, or that both the 458 and Turbo S is sandbagging in ALL of the races. I ALSO believe in accumulated data, like all of the GT Board videos and US based magazine C&D comparison test. If you rather choose to believe in times posted on dragtimes.com, set on different tracks with different temperature, altitude, humidity etc. Please be my guest I prefer comparisons under similar circumstances, face to face. Or like the C&D comparison test, times verified by a independent magazine and set under similar circumstances! As you say, to each his own And, I also believe we won't agree here. I'll let the other forum members judge the performance of the cars for themselves. To me, there is no doubt that the MHR M6 is a consistently seriously fast car Last edited by Boss330; 11-04-2013 at 03:22 AM.. |
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I don't believe the MHR M6 beats anything in the world either, and have never said so! I am just disagreeing that the GT Board videos show a "great variation" in performance based on the races it did with the 458 and 911. Here is one from the drag strip The cars are so closely matched that I'm pretty sure we can find videos with differing results as it's down to track, driver etc. Still, seeing that they are both closely matched and that more often than not it seems the Turbo S has the advantage, I still believe that none of the GT Board videos show that the MHR M6 has a "great variation" in performance (which is the point we are arguing originally). |
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The MHR M6 looses at the start, but if you compare how it catches up the 911 Turbo vs the 911 Turbo S, you see that it gains quicker and passes earlier than it does the Turbo S. Makes perfect sense as the 911 Turbo has less power than the 911 Turbo S and therefor the MHR should pass it easier. The only variation is at the start, which can be down to grip, slow reaction or settings. To me the MHR M6 vs Turbo vs Turbo S doesn't show any great variations, compare with how it also looses towards the Turbo S and just barely catches up. With the Turbo it catches easier and passes: |
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The MHR M6 will never have better traction than either the 458 or 911, so it is just as expected that it struggles from 50km/h until it has overcome traction issues. The part that I mean is relevant to analyze the performance of, is when traction issues has been overcome. Then it's clear that the MHR M6 pulls quicker on the non S than it does on the Turbo S. So it does do much better against the 911 Turbo than it does against the 458 and Turbo S And to put the 30hp difference between the 911 Turbo S and Turbo in perspective: You see a great variation in performance, I don't Let's just leave it at that and possibly agree that there is room for both views? --- Last edited by Boss330; 11-04-2013 at 06:18 AM.. |
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