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11-07-2013, 11:20 PM | #45 | |
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I will be the first to nail BMW because after 7 BMW's I bought a 991S, and it's slice of heaven. Not competition for the M5, but it was time to change up being a die hard to any brand. For what the M5 does you will be hard pressed to find two cars that can do the same, and please drop the caddy talk it's full of plastic and will not be worth anything on two years. The M5's only competition that I see is Audi, and they have been chasing BMW for 20 years which is their life's goal to pass BMW in sales. Competition is good, and my opinion only this is the best M5 designed. One comfort is second to none, 560hp, looks are stunning, top notch interiors. I would bet less than 10% are tracked so all this race talk is a moot point in my opinion only. Tracked the M3, M5, and M6. M3 was fun in the turns, but not as fun as the M5 laying down the power so fun factor is there. If anyone buys a car because of a magazine review I have some land to sell you. If you own a M5 enjoy your car, and don't give a crap what a mag rag says. Especially people on this board that have never sat behind the wheel, and the car show does not count(: |
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I know that the E63 allows for multiple suspension settings and has an AMG button for those that prefer a one-step setup. Steering feel remains sturdy, communicative, and predictable in every mode/setting; no adjustment necessary. I noticed that your M5 is for sale (it's gorgeous, btw). Are you getting a new one?
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My C63 will be getting a new stablemate in the coming week. It will be coming from the Stuttgart bloodline though.
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the 5.5 AMG biturbos are the same. but at least they have a decent exhaust note and a bigger engine exclusive to the amg model. i finally got tired of them altogether so i ordered a 991 gt3. |
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So its 3(traction) X 3 (suspension) X 3(steering) X 3 (throttle) X 6 (manual and auto transmission modes) = 486 So those bozos got it wrong!
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actually the e60 had REAL aluminum on the dash and doors, the f10 has a plasticy faked aliminum looking material. although the shifter base is real aluminum whereas it wasnt before.... overall though, there was more real aluminum on the e60 leather quality/quantity hasnt changed as far as i know - still merino. i also found the carpet on the e60 nicer/softer to the touch than the carpet on my f10 Last edited by mainly; 11-08-2013 at 10:39 AM.. |
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Hints: It has an "E" in the designation and has a biturbo V8 under the hood.
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Wull...if you throw in the infinite adjustability of the drivers seat...subtract the lack of adjustable side bolsters - Cripes I'm surprised they stopped there. How confusing all the settings!
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It would be hilarious if BMW sent them a modified car to fit their simplicity requirements. 1 gear only goes forward, one fixed volume level for stereo set to loud, one radio channel, fixed seating position, no drive modes. Point is simplicity sucks - control is king. The key is to have an intuitive interface and we have that. By comparison the competitors interfaces are completely rubbish - and I write this as someone who drives both a BMW and a Mercedes every week, and who occasionally drives Cadillacs, Infinitis, Porsches and Lexuses as well.
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I just got back from a BMW drive event in Danville, CA. I drove a M5 (without competitive package) and a M6 convertible. I also sat in a 650 grand coupe and my friend drove the M6 grand coupe.
I would have to agree with many of the comments about the M5. I was very disappointed. I've dreamed of wanting an M5 and that's the car I was going to get if I won the lottery (with ED). However, after driving it today, I've changed my mind. The car feels bloated and the steering is numb. The car doesn't have the BMW feel that I'm used to (but I've mostly driven small ones like the 3-series, 1 series, and Z3). It also has too many damn settings along with the auto start/stop. It's fast in a straight line but the steering and the handling was not tight. I also didn't like the fake exhaust sound. I drove the M6 convertible next and it was night and day. The car felt more connected to the road. The steering was tighter (had the new steering wheel which I didn't like on the 3-series but like it better than the old M5 one after driving the M6). The sport seats were nicer and the handling was much better. After my experience, I would not buy an M5. If I wanted that size of a car, I would get a 535i, add some tunes, and buy M3 on top of that (both used of course). I've driven my friend's 535i and a M5 it's not $60k better. I drove my "cheap" 135i on the way home and would pick that car over the ones I drove (which was totally to my surprise since I've always wanted a M5 or M6). My car has the performance suspension and PPK. |
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Confirmation bias and financial capability bias run strong in this thread (and I'm as guilty as the next I guess)
My take if you are considering an M5 is to listen to those who own the model you are considering vs. those who don't or can't afford them... Those who don't / can't tend to poopoo the car, and be satisfied with or explain away the differences of their current car) However those who do or have give better informed opinions and are less subjective. There are plenty of former f10 m5 owners on here who will tell you exactly why they sold, moved on, or upgraded. The best of both worlds is the person who owned the car you have and upgraded to the M5; their thoughts are invaluable and accurate (the M5 to M3 discussion was particularity enlightening, I.e. No one downgrades from M5 to M3... They may pick up and M3 if it can be afforded).
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