M5 vs C7 Z06

[R3dn3k Flyby]

My M5 (Tune / Exhaust) vs 2016 Corvette Z06 (Intake / Exhaust) from a 40 roll.

-James

*Sorry for the poor video quality.

[TrevorM3]

good run buddy. got destroyed by one the other day, but i'm stock. don;t know what mods he had.

how much power does your ESS tune produce?

[R3dn3k Flyby]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

good run buddy. got destroyed by one the other day, but i'm stock. don;t know what mods he had.

how much power does your ESS tune produce?

Thanks! I should be right around 630whp on 91. A local buddy with the same tune but with high flow catted downpipes instead of catless made 617whp. I made 520whp on our Mustang Dyno on 91 when I was stock. I'll have follow up numbers soon. They'll be a bit skewed as the day we did the baseline it was around 105-110 degrees out whereas it's in the 60's and 70's now.

-James

[TrevorM3]

nice. i have never looked into the ESS tune. will now.

[KMORGSM5]

Drove a friends ZO6 6 speed manual over the weekend and i was less than impressed with the power. It did have traction though! Overall was a great car and the chassis was built for the power, but on straight line runs it was FAST but didn't feel as fast as my car by a long shot.

I think sports car for the money it is a great deal, throw a intake, tune, exhaust and it will be a monster.

[R3dn3k Flyby]

Based on all my late night Google'ing, a C7 Z06 with intake alone should run 60-130 in the low 7's. Right around 7.2-7.3. From there, based on further Googling, an M5 with my power level should run 6.9 to 7.1, so the results make sense. You can hear the 3-4 shift in the video and after that I really start to pull.

Another local guy has a C7 Z06 with one or two extra upgrades and MT drag radials. I'm going to run him as well but I'll have a 1/2 tank of 95 octane on that run instead of a full tank of 91.

-James

[Phatcat]

Z06 is all about handling, based on all magazine test results, the straight line speed is not exceptional given the HP/weight it has (does not break 10 seconds in 0-200km) and actually horrible at the top end (0-280km 35.3 seconds, but probably due to aero) but the track times have all been incredible. Auto Bild ranked it the highest production car they have tested. Sport Auto also ranked it very very high (too bad they weren't able to do a ring run).

in Auto Bild's test, the Z06 got murdered on the straight line by the Mac 675LT (0-200km 7.6 seconds, 0-300km 22.4 seconds) but still beat the Mac on the track. The only non-modified car that's faster than the Z06 on Sachsenring is the 918.

So given Z06's 0-280km's time, I am not surprised if a tuned M5 can out run it from a roll, especially a stock M5 can run 0-300km around 34 or 35 seconds, given enough road, you don't even need a tune to beat a Z06.

[ARC550]

You would need atleast 670whp range and comparable torque to break into 6.9 from 60-130 other then that you are at 7.0-7.3.

Trust me.. lol also your not as Aero as M6 and those where my times with proven dyno/logs/Vbox runs

630whp= 7.1-7.3
670whp = 6.9-7.1
700Whp= 6.6-6.8
750whp= 6.4-6.6


All of the above tim s where with a full interior M6 Intake/Catless exhuast with Tune and for more power the jb4. keep in mind the M6 is 4200lbs and the M5 is 4400+.

[R3dn3k Flyby]

Originally Posted by ARC550

You would need atleast 670whp range and comparable torque to break into 6.9 from 60-130 other then that you are at 7.0-7.3.

Trust me.. lol also your not as Aero as M6 and those where my times with proven dyno/logs/Vbox runs

630whp= 7.1-7.3
670whp = 6.9-7.1
700Whp= 6.6-6.8
750whp= 6.4-6.6


All of the above tim s where with a full interior M6 Intake/Catless exhuast with Tune and for more power the jb4. keep in mind the M6 is 4200lbs and the M5 is 4400+.

I haven't dyno'd the car since the tune / exhaust. Was solely basing those estimates and what Evolve and others had shown. Found a thread of Evolve where they mentioned 7.1 on MPSS and that a sticky tire got them into the high 6's. Either way, every dyno reads differently, cars react differently in different climates and elevations, and some cars are stronger than others. I really just need to do a follow up dyno so I can see what power I've gained and do some Vbox runs.

-James

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Z06 is all about handling, based on all magazine test results, the straight line speed is not exceptional given the HP/weight it has (does not break 10 seconds in 0-200km) and actually horrible at the top end (0-280km 35.3 seconds, but probably due to aero) but the track times have all been incredible. Auto Bild ranked it the highest production car they have tested. Sport Auto also ranked it very very high (too bad they weren't able to do a ring run).

in Auto Bild's test, the Z06 got murdered on the straight line by the Mac 675LT (0-200km 7.6 seconds, 0-300km 22.4 seconds) but still beat the Mac on the track. The only non-modified car that's faster than the Z06 on Sachsenring is the 918.

So given Z06's 0-280km's time, I am not surprised if a tuned M5 can out run it from a roll, especially a stock M5 can run 0-300km around 34 or 35 seconds, given enough road, you don't even need a tune to beat a Z06.

Umm no , a stock Z06 manual is a low 7 second 60-130 mph car , only thing limiting it is traction and drivers . In the European and most US tests they do a shit job of launching it . Real owners in completely stock cars have done 10.4 @ 132 at the strip . That ass rapes most tuned M5's much less stock ones .

[Mkai0]

Even BMS owns one and did this stock-

The stock internals also have forged pistons and rods

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Mkai0

Even BMS owns one and did this stock-

The stock internals also have forged pistons and rods

+1
The underestimation of the Z06 is strong in this thread lol .

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

+1
The underestimation of the Z06 is strong in this thread lol .

I think the problem is we don't have a damn good roll run video, stock vehicles, by members we know. I really don't know who's the roll run champ between the 2.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

I think the problem is we don't have a damn good roll run video, stock vehicles, by members we know. I really don't know who's the roll run champ between the 2.

Well I test all my cars on the same zero slope road and stock vs stock my friends manual Z06 was .8 seconds faster 60-130 mph than my M6 CP .... that's a lot . Even with my M6 tuned from 60-100 mph the Z06 was faster . And I know stock vs stock the M6 CP will handily beat a stock M5 .

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Well I test all my cars on the same zero slope road and stock vs stock my friends manual Z06 was .8 seconds faster 60-130 mph than my M6 CP .... that's a lot . Even with my M6 tuned from 60-100 mph the Z06 was faster . And I know stock vs stock the M6 CP will handily beat a stock M5 .

M7 or A8?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

M7 or A8?

M7 stage 2 aero .

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Umm no , a stock Z06 manual is a low 7 second 60-130 mph car , only thing limiting it is traction and drivers . In the European and most US tests they do a shit job of launching it . Real owners in completely stock cars have done 10.4 @ 132 at the strip . That ass rapes most tuned M5's much less stock ones .

I'm not talking about from the start. Read my post, I'm implying from 200km and onwards, the Z06's acceleration slows significantly, likely due to aero.

So in a rolling race to 300km, based on the test numbers a stock M5 can beat a Z06.

Just a quarter mile sprint I would certainly pick the Z06.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

I'm not talking about from the start. Read my post, I'm implying from 200km and onwards, the Z06's acceleration slows significantly, likely due to aero.

So in a rolling race to 300km, based on the test numbers a stock M5 can beat a Z06.

Just a quarter mile sprint I would certainly pick the Z06.

Apparently you didn't read my post about 60-130 mph lol that's a roll lol . A stock M5 will be destroyed period from any speed to any speed . The power to weight isn't even in the same planet .

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Apparently you didn't read my post about 60-130 mph lol that's a roll lol . A stock M5 will be destroyed period from any speed to any speed . The power to weight isn't even in the same planet .

So basically you weren't answering my post either.

M5 will be beaten from any speed to any speed? From 250km/h to 300km/h I will take the M5 for sure.

Edit: Another test by Auto Bild which I have posted before, CTS-V 0-200km/h 11.5, 0-250km/h 18.9, 0-300km/h 38.5. In the same test the M6 0-250km/h 19.2, 0-300km/h 34.5. Previous E63S 0-250km/h 19.0, 0-300km/h 35.4

The CTS-V has superior power to weight ratio over these two cars as well, why is it so slow from 250km/h to 300km/h?

And it took the Z06 35.3 seconds just to get to 280km/h, looks like it will be even slower than the CTS-V to 300km/h.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

So basically you weren't answering my post either.

M5 will be beaten from any speed to any speed? From 250km/h to 300km/h I will take the M5 for sure.

Edit: Another test by Auto Bild which I have posted before, CTS-V 0-200km/h 11.5, 0-250km/h 18.9, 0-300km/h 38.5. In the same test the M6 0-250km/h 19.2, 0-300km/h 34.5. Previous E63S 0-250km/h 19.0, 0-300km/h 35.4

The CTS-V has superior power to weight ratio over these two cars as well, why is it so slow from 250km/h to 300km/h?

And it took the Z06 35.3 seconds just to get to 280km/h, looks like it will be even slower than the CTS-V to 300km/h.

Stop using German tests of American cars as gospel of what they can do , the numbers are high because they spun the shit out of them . Both the CTSV and the Z06 will keep spinning their tires at 100 mph if you get a bad launch or will dig into the TC and cut huge power . Look at the0-60 or 0-100 and 0-200 km per hour for the two tests you mention lol . They are way off what both these cars can do when driven well . A car that does low tens at 132 mph doesn't get to 124 mph (200 km/hr) in 10 seconds unless you blow up the tires lmao . Trap speed tells you the results of roll races . The Z06 traps 130 plus , the CTSV traps 125-26 , the M5 traps 119-121 stock . It loses bad in any real world situation up until high 180 mph range even if the Z06 has stage 3 aero . Live in a fantasy world if you want to .

[M6-Coupe]

Guys calm down... it's the day after Christmas so enjoy your life
And as a side note, even if Z06 or any American car is 10 second faster than M car (at any speed ) , I still pick M car

[R3dn3k Flyby]

To further add to this fun:

M5 - Full tank, me, and my wife in the car. I'm a big, big guy. 6'3" 350ish.

Z06 - Half tank, average sized driver, passenger who was filming was likely 150 lbs soaking wet.


Stock for stock, there's no doubt the Z06 would win no matter the speed. It's probably a good .8 quicker on a 60-130 run stock for stock.

I've had people ask if the Z06 in this video was manual or auto. If you have to ask, he was obviously rowing the gears pretty damn well. Both of us spun from the 40 roll. We both hooked at pretty much the same time. I immediately began to pull and kept pulling until I let out.

I wanted a 50 roll. He said 60 or 40. I said we can do 60, but if the outcome isn't in my favor, I want a 50. 60 is low in 3rd. We ran. He pulled off the hit and I then quickly reeled him in and was passing with maybe a fender or 1/2 car on him before we let out. I then asked for a 50 roll. He said 40. Fine. No worries. First attempt, he missed the 2-3 shift. We cruised at low speed for a 1/2 mile or so, and then lined up again. Everything went perfect in both cars on this 40 roll.

It was a nice cool night in Mexico. Right around 40-45 degrees.

I'll run his buddy with another one that has a couple extra mods and some sticky MT's. I'll be half tank of 95 on that one instead of full tank of 91, and I'll have just me in the car. Will report back.

-James