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      01-18-2017, 09:27 AM   #1
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Confirmed: 991.2 GT3 to get 4.0L N/A Engine and 6MT

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I guess this means that 991.1 GT3 will drop down in value quite a bit. I just hope they keep the 9,000rpm redline on the new 4.0L GT3 engine. Pretty cool they are transferring the design over from the new RSR too!


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Purists rejoice!

I guess this means that 991.1 GT3 will drop down in value quite a bit. I just hope they keep the 9,000rpm redline on the new 4.0L GT3 engine. Pretty cool they are transferring the design over from the new RSR too!


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No, supply and demand will keep the .1 right where it is... it had no trouble appreciating despite all those "purists" complaints
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I think the main reason they had to go to a 4.0L is due to 991.2 GTS performance at the Ring with optional corsa tires (7:22 or only 2s off GT3RS time). I bet 991.2 GT3 is 7:20 or faster at the ring.
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I think the main reason they had to go to a 4.0L is due to 991.2 GTS performance at the Ring with optional corsa tires (7:22 or only 2s off GT3RS time). I bet 991.2 GT3 is 7:20 or faster at the ring.
Rumor is 7:15...time will tell
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I think the main reason they had to go to a 4.0L is due to 991.2 GTS performance at the Ring with optional corsa tires (7:22 or only 2s off GT3RS time). I bet 991.2 GT3 is 7:20 or faster at the ring.
Indeed.

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Purists rejoice!

I guess this means that 991.1 GT3 will drop down in value quite a bit. I just hope they keep the 9,000rpm redline on the new 4.0L GT3 engine. Pretty cool they are transferring the design over from the new RSR too!


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Still rumor, and 9000 RPM's are over. The RS 4.0 is 8800 more torque, and 9000 in that flat 6 is right on the edge. The big cry it for the manual for many, but a manual plus a 4.0 means they created a Porsche R want a bee.

I do know the .2 will cost more, and drive a big premium which could throw the .1 demand up. I sold my .1 for 144k with a MSRP of 152k to a dealer not bad for a two year old car. Just saw a low optioned RS go for 245k ......Porsche plays the supply game well, and the 918 owners all get first dibs on the .2 GT3 at MSRP and they will flip them just like all the others. These could be the last NA motors from Porsche. The RS is tapped out, but my opinion it needs no more power other than to stay in the pissing game.
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No, supply and demand will keep the .1 right where it is... it had no trouble appreciating despite all those "purists" complaints
I would never drop my PDK, and many of drivers said they wouldn't buy a PDK you can't pry it from them now. It's insane on the track where it belongs. Money shift a motor that cost 80k boom it sucks!
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Still rumor, and 9000 RPM's are over. The RS 4.0 is 8800 more torque, and 9000 in that flat 6 is right on the edge. The big cry it for the manual for many, but a manual plus a 4.0 means they created a Porsche R want a bee.

I do know the .2 will cost more, and drive a big premium which could throw the .1 demand up. I sold my .1 for 144k with a MSRP of 152k to a dealer not bad for a two year old car. Just saw a low optioned RS go for 245k ......Porsche plays the supply game well, and the 918 owners all get first dibs on the .2 GT3 at MSRP and they will flip them just like all the others. These could be the last NA motors from Porsche. The RS is tapped out, but my opinion it needs no more power other than to stay in the pissing game.
Do you think there will be .2 RS or will there be no need?

Also, the GT2 is still on its way right?
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Still rumor, and 9000 RPM's are over. The RS 4.0 is 8800 more torque, and 9000 in that flat 6 is right on the edge. The big cry it for the manual for many, but a manual plus a 4.0 means they created a Porsche R want a bee.

I do know the .2 will cost more, and drive a big premium which could throw the .1 demand up. I sold my .1 for 144k with a MSRP of 152k to a dealer not bad for a two year old car. Just saw a low optioned RS go for 245k ......Porsche plays the supply game well, and the 918 owners all get first dibs on the .2 GT3 at MSRP and they will flip them just like all the others. These could be the last NA motors from Porsche. The RS is tapped out, but my opinion it needs no more power other than to stay in the pissing game.
Do you think there will be .2 RS or will there be no need?

Also, the GT2 is still on its way right?
GT2RS actually and yep it's coming in 18 .
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Do you think there will be .2 RS or will there be no need?

Also, the GT2 is still on its way right?
GT2RS for sure will be close to 300k MSRP, but will be another car going to the 918 owners.(VIP program they get all specialty cars at MSRP as long as they didn't sell their 918 I think for 4 years) They will flip north of 500K is my guess. There is no decision on a .2 GT3RS, and for me I hope it's the last one

I laugh at the .1 owners raving about a car not for sale, and the .1 looks better that the .2. It will be marginally faster because it will lack a turbo which is the beauty of the GT3 NA flat six. Porsche will have to go turbo by 2020 due comply to emissions standards, and not sure by excluding the GT cars that will give them enough credits for compliance.

I think the GT3 .1 is the car to have because it's the first, and last 9000 RPM car from Porsche!
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Do you think there will be .2 RS or will there be no need?

Also, the GT2 is still on its way right?
GT2RS for sure will be close to 300k MSRP, but will be another car going to the 918 owners.(VIP program they get all specialty cars at MSRP as long as they didn't sell their 918 I think for 4 years) They will flip north of 500K is my guess. There is no decision on a .2 GT3RS, and for me I hope it's the last one

I laugh at the .1 owners raving about a car not for sale, and the .1 looks better that the .2. It will be marginally faster because it will lack a turbo which is the beauty of the GT3 NA flat six. Porsche will have to go turbo by 2020 due comply to emissions standards, and not sure by excluding the GT cars that will give them enough credits for compliance.

I think the GT3 .1 is the car to have because it's the first, and last 9000 RPM car from Porsche!
Indeed. The next generation GT3 and GT3RS will definitely be turbo cars.

I just hope that for the .2 GT3 they give it enough visual style difference to make it look noticeably better like they did with the .2 Turbo and Turbo S. I really love the .2 Turbo, but do not enjoy looking at the .1 Turbo.
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Same car man .....subtle changes, but the .1 front end looks better.

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Same car man .....subtle changes, but the .1 front end looks better.

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I think the .2 GT3 will look better than the .1 and may be 5-10s quicker at the ring due to better torque on the 4.0. Also .2 GTS is 3s quicker than .1 GT3 at the ring and due to torque (405 ft lbs) it will likely be quicker than GT3 at every track.
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I think the .2 GT3 will look better than the .1 and may be 5-10s quicker at the ring due to better torque on the 4.0. Also .2 GTS is 3s quicker than .1 GT3 at the ring and due to torque (405 ft lbs) it will likely be quicker than GT3 at every track.
Agree on quicker, the car is the same minus the front bumper this is the actual pic. Not a fan of ring time personally I don't drive it, and most non pro drivers will not get 80% out of the car. My RS pushed to the edge has scared me a few times, didn't help when I found out one fender is 15k to replace.
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No, supply and demand will keep the .1 right where it is... it had no trouble appreciating despite all those "purists" complaints
no the car will absolutely drop value.....PDK is everywhere and not special, mass produced (in a sense). Bunch of guys sold their gt3's because of this, good timing.
This is what I was thinking. PDK is awesome but it was a major point of contention when the 991 GT3 was first introduced. I know people who would gladly trade their GT3RS in if they made a 6MT GT3RS. I'm was guessing that a lot of GT3 owners feel the same way.
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no the car will absolutely drop value.....PDK is everywhere and not special, mass produced (in a sense). Bunch of guys sold their gt3's because of this, good timing.
Really I would love to see your facts on this....I owned one and sold it for over msrp 8 months later. Do you have tangible data?

Yes PDK is prevalent but GT3's are not.

Bimmer6 Is an owner of an RS and previous "pdk" owner- what say you sir?
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The 991.1 GT3 has a bit of a 'ticking time bomb' in regards to the engine when it is stressed vigorously such as at the track. There have been at least three revisions to the engine since the car was released, and at this point in time it appears that perhaps only the 2016 variants are holding up to extreme use. Again not all 2014's and 2015's are having issues; only those really worked hard may succumb to top end failure.

The good news is that Vic is, (as nearly always) correct that 991.1 GT3 prices have held up extremely well, although there may be some 'softening' in the last few months compared to where we were a year or two ago.

The bad news is that even many owners of the car on RL are stating that given the engine's history, they will not own the car out of warranty. This then could lead to a fair number of cars hitting the market when the 991.2 car is released, or when the OEM warranty is soon to expire.

Hence imho this particular GT Porsche may not hold quite the % of value compared to its older peers going forward, although I could well be wrong. Again! lol

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The 991.1 GT3 has a bit of a 'ticking time bomb' in regards to the engine when it is stressed vigorously such as at the track. There have been at least three revisions to the engine since the car was released, and at this point in time it appears that perhaps only the 2016 variants are holding up to extreme use. Again not all 2014's and 2015's are having issues; only those really worked hard may succumb to top end failure.

The good news is that Vic is, (as nearly always) correct that 991.1 GT3 prices have held up extremely well, although there may be some 'softening' in the last few months compared to where we were a year or two ago.

The bad news is that even many owners of the car on RL are stating that given the engine's history, they will not own the car out of warranty. This then could lead to a fair number of cars hitting the market when the 991.2 car is released, or when the OEM warranty is soon to expire.

Hence imho this particular GT Porsche may not hold quite the % of value compared to its older peers going forward, although I could well be wrong. Again! lol

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Well stated, I guess I needed to articulate that car is depreciating but the curve is way flatter than almost any other car out there sans a few low production exotics. I have no doubt that a new model will adjust that curve's angle but not so much as most think because at the end of the day its again Econ 101 and the supply is just not there.

These are the latest auction prices (bare bones sales which means at least 5k added to the retail price if not more). Note the pricing but also the lack of sales (see the dates)- the cars just dont move at the auction which means dealer sales or private (better sales profits). Oh and I only picked 2015 models which still mainly have 2 years left on the 4 year warranty. The majority were inservice dated in early to mid 2015 and the 50k mile part of the warranty really isnt applicable on these lower mile drive cars.
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Really I would love to see your facts on this....I owned one and sold it for over msrp 8 months later. Do you have tangible data?

Yes PDK is prevalent but GT3's are not.

Bimmer6 Is an owner of an RS and previous "pdk" owner- what say you sir?
Owned a beautiful 2015 GT3 with a MSRP of 151k, and sold for 144K after two years of ownership with zero problems. Now owning a GT3 RS, and the PDKS is a monster which is a wonderful tool. I know a lot of owners, and I don't know one that has sold their car because of the PDK not one. Most have upgraded to the RS such as myself, and my die hard manual owner friends are sold on the PDK. RL has a poll stick vs manual it's 50/50 with a good sample size of owners that have owned multiple Porsche's.

Too much BS on prices dropping, and many saying the winter will kill prices ......well I sold my in the winter do a dealer. I could have done better in a private sale, but the dealer took care of me on the RS so give and take is good.

Lastly, guys think they will get a .2 GT3 and I call BS on that if you don't have a friend at the dealer or you're on the VIP list as they get first dibs on all new cars bottom line. The .2 will be more than the .1, and Porsche realizes they under priced they car based on the demand. All the cars that had engine issues Porsche has replaced them no questions asked, and even the ones that were beat to hell on the track. GT cars are their legacy so they will save face, and the owner network is strong so no worries on being made whole or better. I can get a .2 for MSRP and I have no desire to own a manual over the PDKS. I use to have a iPod now I use Pandora ......technology changes but each to his own. By the way money shift a GT3 motor you just rung up a 80k bill!
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This is what I was thinking. PDK is awesome but it was a major point of contention when the 991 GT3 was first introduced. I know people who would gladly trade their GT3RS in if they made a 6MT GT3RS. I'm was guessing that a lot of GT3 owners feel the same way.
No way bro this is just not true I have a ton a lot of friends that I drive with that will not move their PDKS. The other poster said the PDK is everyone, and that's not true it only exist on the GT3, RS, and GT4 ........PDKS is not the same as PDK it was only build for the GT cars. Facts are good boys.
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