M5 vs 550I with Dinan tune

[Mperial]

Conversely, we can post our time slips on their board...

[Tylerstar]

Originally Posted by mwlmd

These "modded 550xi" posters are like whack-a-moles. You pound one into the ground and they just pop up in another thread.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a forum for modded 550i owners? Oh wait...

LMAOOOO

[e92doc]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

well on the race track a moded 550Xi will give a stock F10 M5 a run for it's money.

Are we talking about a race track that involves turns?

[beemerbill]

Don't be hate'n, they just M5 wanna b's... I should know, I was one till a few weeks ago.. Lol

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by e92doc

Are we talking about a race track that involves turns?

if you read posts after you can see i said 1/4

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by mwlmd

These "modded 550xi" posters are like whack-a-moles. You pound one into the ground and they just pop up in another thread.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a forum for modded 550i owners? Oh wait...

[Amg E Power]

^ur 550xi stands no chance ! look at your trap 114mph.... f10 M5 under right conditions can trap 119-120mph. thats 5-6 mph faster and when we are talking about 1/4 mile that is a BIG difference.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by Amg E Power

^ur 550xi stands no chance ! look at your trap 114mph.... f10 M5 under right conditions can trap 119-120mph. thats 5-6 mph faster and when we are talking about 1/4 mile that is a BIG difference.

if you cant get the 60 foot i don't give a shit if you trap 135.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by Ftc120

Still a ways to go to reach 11.78 seconds. You better start spending more money and upgrade to stage 2.

lol ive spent $200 on my tune i have plenty money left for some nice down pipes

[beemerbill]

I've got a Vett that traps @ 138mph. I'll spot you .5 sec for the 60' difference and lets see what happens......

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by Ftc120

Is there a BMS stage 5 ?

not yet but BMS stage 1 beats all Dinan stages

[ColdList]

Hey I hate when these 550i guys come over and smack talk too but I a, telling you first hand that I have seen the Stage 4 Dinan make it a VERY close race with my F12 M6. From a stop, from low speed runs and from higher speed rolls. HOWEVER, I did say "hard" but I beat it EVERY time. Shifting to third I pulled pretty good and he was done. Also, this was with my cab, which is heavier and did NOT have DPs. My M5 would have beat him much easier but they are faster than most are giving them credit.

Whack-a-moles-hahahahahahaha! That is freaking hilarious! Ah, give them a break though. Nothing wrong with them joining in on a conversation that has 550i in the title.

[greentrbo95gst]

People buy M5's for many other reasons than you bring up in some of your posts badblack550xi. There are M5's that ran 11.6-11.7 in a stock form. The car is loaded with Technology, comes with a great transmission, suspension and handles a lot better than a non M. 3rd gear pull on the freeway will answer many of your doubts about why M5's are superior. Not saying your 550 is a bad car, but maybe you should be a little more humble when you invade other fanatics' board (section)

[soooma]

My 2 cents :-)
Since I have both and always was looking for real answers,,,,
but it took on test drive of the might M5 to no that if you spend 50K on the 550i it won't even come close to the feel of the m5,,,, Well as I mentioned in another thread,,, Dinan may be able to tune this car to level up to or even more than M5 but it is not just the number but
THE power delivery,,,
the chassis,,,
the software,,,
the M-differential,,,
the 20" wheels,,,
the DCT You can't tune that :-) don't get me wrong ZF is very nice and probably the best slush box out there next to MulitClutch by MB,,, but not a DCT/PDK territory at all
the steering which is electric? Tune that?
the list goes on

Don't get me wrong,,,
I loved my 550i but once M5 is in comparison it is a no brainer that M5 is 10 times better regardless of how or who tunes it?

BTW my 550i is for sale at a bargain price 2012 550i with 30k miles on it and stage 2 Dinan with many carbon fiber upgrades and Euro white line rear lights,,,, looks are stunning as good if not better than M5 including the drop dead carbon fiber rear diffuser,,, check it out on cars.com in zip 28105 25 miles radius,,,,, must go because I am not planning on keeping both,,, can't afford it :-)

550i is amazingly good with the Dinan but please don't compare it to M5 and don't tune it any more,,,, software Dinan which was probably the best tune but more than this,,, get a sued M5

Sorry didn't my to jack the thread,,
Thanks
again my 2 cents

[badblack550xi]

yet to see a Dinan 550 do better than 12.4 in the 1/4...
btw from 0-115 on street Moded M5 stays behind me and then starts to pull hard.

[Northern X5M]

badblack,

Looking at your slip, a stock M5 is going to be coming around you hard after the 1/8. Even on stock tires (and spinning) I was cutting 12.0's @ 121. On DR's I was 11.6's. Your 60' is really good, the DCT is horrible for 60'ing best I could do was 1.77 on DR's.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

badblack,

Looking at your slip, a stock M5 is going to be coming around you hard after the 1/8. Even on stock tires (and spinning) I was cutting 12.0's @ 121. On DR's I was 11.6's. Your 60' is really good, the DCT is horrible for 60'ing best I could do was 1.77 on DR's.

i ran one at the track he passed me right after 1/4 mile mark and it was not stock but his reaction time was definitely off. What kills my times is the shift 2-3rd it just lags for way 2 long....
Stage 2 just came out for my car and numbers are looking promising i hope 11.7 on next track event.

[ezmaass]

OK, 550 and M5 drivers, alike, will probably hate me for this, but here it goes...

You buy a 550 to have a "quick" sedan IMO. Hey, I just bought one. As a business person, I need a way to carry around passengers from time to time, and it's also a DD, which means I need to contend with snow, rain, etc - hence my choice of xDrive. Does it make for a quick car? Sure. But let's not fool ourselves - this isn't a Porsche 911, an Audi R8, or any other purpose-built sports car. It's an "executive sedan" as BMW spells it out... that just happens to have some "sports car" genetics mixed-in.

If you want a race car, buy a race car. Buy a cheaper DD and put your money into something like a 911 if you can't afford both. My eyes are on an older Ferrari at the moment. But these conversations about modded 5-series make me roll on the floor laughing. The damn thing weighs over 4400lbs! Handling? Please.

Now for the M5. It's a strange car to me. I bought a heavily loaded 550xi - roughly $86k. People have asked me, why didn't you just spring for the M5? It wasn't a financial issue - I could afford the M5. But it's a practicality issue. I can't drive the M5 as a DD here in New England. It's essentially good for 2.5 seasons, maybe. Which leads me to wonder about a 4-door sedan that's only usable half the year for people in the north... great, I guess, if you had yet ANOTHER 4-door sedan to use in the snow... AND you're still, IMHO, lacking a real sports car. Just as M5 guys are knocking on the 550, you're going to find entire forums full of Porsche, Ferrari, etc, owners laughing at M5 guys who don't understand the girth, weight, and 4-doors attempting to pass itself off as a race-car. Yes, it's very competent for what it is... which is still, nonetheless, a compromise between a sedan and a real sports car.

Let's start off by acknowledging that BMW never intended a 550 (nor any other non-M 5-series) to be a race-car. While I'm happy the darn thing can go 0 - 60 in 4.3s, and they've even included launch control now, seeing them at a track or drag-strip just makes my laugh. Why are we racing luxury executive sedans again? What are we trying to prove? I think it's clear what demographic BMW was going for - business sedan, family hauler, etc. Why does the 550 have 445hp? It's there for people like me who travel long distances a lot for business, get stuck behind idiots in the left lane, get pissed off, and feel the need to floor it in frustration as I pass them.... not, however, meant to take to your local track!

Clearly the M5 was designed with a different intention. While it looks like a 5-series, I believe 80% of the parts are "unique" if I recall correctly. While I admire the car for what it can do, I still don't claim to understand it. On the street, it's unusable power. Heck, even the 550 for that matter has loads of unusable power in most circumstances. If the M5's place was at the track, why wouldn't you just opt for a 2-seater with much less weight, lower center of gravity, better handling, etc - why are you bringing a 4-door sedan to the track?

My conclusion - 550 is a business sedan and family hauler. It looks silly at a track... regardless of it's ability to achieve low 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times. Buy it for what it was intended to do... add some fun into the 4-door daily driver. The mods, whether mechanical or cosmetic, to each his own... but I honestly don't see the point. The car is quick enough, and making it quicker won't change the fact of what it was "bred" to be.

The M5 is a very expensive compromise. It's not a race car and it's no longer a usable 4-door sedan in much of the country for 4 seasons. While, like most of what BMW does, I can admire the results of their effort, it doesn't change the fact that the M5 is trying to be really good a two very different tasks - a mid-sized, 4-door, luxury sedan and a race-car in one. Those two extremes, mashed together, create a strange car for me that can never be truly great at either being an agile race-car OR a comfy, versatile luxury sedan.

So there you have it... as I said, I'll probably get no love from 550 or M5 owners for it, but it's my take on it. With that said, I plan to fully enjoy my 550 on the road as a DD and pick up a Ferrari 355, 360, or 430 to fill the void of track car and weekend sports car. Two separate and purpose-built cars that can do their jobs reasonably well. Flame away... I've got my fire retardant suit on!

[Tom C]

Originally Posted by ezmaass

OK, 550 and M5 drivers, alike, will probably hate me for this, but here it goes...

You buy a 550 to have a "quick" sedan IMO. Hey, I just bought one. As a business person, I need a way to carry around passengers from time to time, and it's also a DD, which means I need to contend with snow, rain, etc - hence my choice of xDrive. Does it make for a quick car? Sure. But let's not fool ourselves - this isn't a Porsche 911, an Audi R8, or any other purpose-built sports car. It's an "executive sedan" as BMW spells it out... that just happens to have some "sports car" genetics mixed-in.

If you want a race car, buy a race car. Buy a cheaper DD and put your money into something like a 911 if you can't afford both. My eyes are on an older Ferrari at the moment. But these conversations about modded 5-series make me roll on the floor laughing. The damn thing weighs over 4400lbs! Handling? Please.

Now for the M5. It's a strange car to me. I bought a heavily loaded 550xi - roughly $86k. People have asked me, why didn't you just spring for the M5? It wasn't a financial issue - I could afford the M5. But it's a practicality issue. I can't drive the M5 as a DD here in New England. It's essentially good for 2.5 seasons, maybe. Which leads me to wonder about a 4-door sedan that's only usable half the year for people in the north... great, I guess, if you had yet ANOTHER 4-door sedan to use in the snow... AND you're still, IMHO, lacking a real sports car. Just as M5 guys are knocking on the 550, you're going to find entire forums full of Porsche, Ferrari, etc, owners laughing at M5 guys who don't understand the girth, weight, and 4-doors attempting to pass itself off as a race-car. Yes, it's very competent for what it is... which is still, nonetheless, a compromise between a sedan and a real sports car.

Let's start off by acknowledging that BMW never intended a 550 (nor any other non-M 5-series) to be a race-car. While I'm happy the darn thing can go 0 - 60 in 4.3s, and they've even included launch control now, seeing them at a track or drag-strip just makes my laugh. Why are we racing luxury executive sedans again? What are we trying to prove? I think it's clear what demographic BMW was going for - business sedan, family hauler, etc. Why does the 550 have 445hp? It's there for people like me who travel long distances a lot for business, get stuck behind idiots in the left lane, get pissed off, and feel the need to floor it in frustration as I pass them.... not, however, meant to take to your local track!

Clearly the M5 was designed with a different intention. While it looks like a 5-series, I believe 80% of the parts are "unique" if I recall correctly. While I admire the car for what it can do, I still don't claim to understand it. On the street, it's unusable power. Heck, even the 550 for that matter has loads of unusable power in most circumstances. If the M5's place was at the track, why wouldn't you just opt for a 2-seater with much less weight, lower center of gravity, better handling, etc - why are you bringing a 4-door sedan to the track?

My conclusion - 550 is a business sedan and family hauler. It looks silly at a track... regardless of it's ability to achieve low 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times. Buy it for what it was intended to do... add some fun into the 4-door daily driver. The mods, whether mechanical or cosmetic, to each his own... but I honestly don't see the point. The car is quick enough, and making it quicker won't change the fact of what it was "bred" to be.

The M5 is a very expensive compromise. It's not a race car and it's no longer a usable 4-door sedan in much of the country for 4 seasons. While, like most of what BMW does, I can admire the results of their effort, it doesn't change the fact that the M5 is trying to be really good a two very different tasks - a mid-sized, 4-door, luxury sedan and a race-car in one. Those two extremes, mashed together, create a strange car for me that can never be truly great at either being an agile race-car OR a comfy, versatile luxury sedan.

So there you have it... as I said, I'll probably get no love from 550 or M5 owners for it, but it's my take on it. With that said, I plan to fully enjoy my 550 on the road as a DD and pick up a Ferrari 355, 360, or 430 to fill the void of track car and weekend sports car. Two separate and purpose-built cars that can do their jobs reasonably well. Flame away... I've got my fire retardant suit on!

It seems like your post is too "me-centric"....which is to say you are looking at it from only the perspective of what suits YOUR needs....and suits YOUR DD conditions... with very little thought for circumstances beyond YOUR own. BMW M and Mercedes AMG have sold TONS of high performance sedans for YEARS. It may not make logical sense that people would want a heavier, luxurious sedan with 500+hp with big brakes and the ability to go around a race track fairly swiftly....but they wouldn't exist if so many people didn't buy them....and if people are are buying them ...obviously there are lots of people who see the value in owning a luxury high performance sports sedan.

Me, personally, I like having all the creature comforts and luxury items AND the ability to go fast should I like to amuse myself by stomping on the throttle. I don't want to go home and switch cars when the mood changes. I live in Maryland so the winters aren't as bad as when I lived in NY so I can pretty much drive the M5 10+ months of the year and have my AWD SUV for the days when it is not so nice out.

I totally disagree that the car is somehow "strange" because it isn't a lightweight sports car OR a luxury car. But that is fine, you can get your Ferrari 355/360/430 and have your 550xi.... that is the beauty of having all these choices....and as you said...to each his own...

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by ezmaass

OK, 550 and M5 drivers, alike, will probably hate me for this, but here it goes...

You buy a 550 to have a "quick" sedan IMO. Hey, I just bought one. As a business person, I need a way to carry around passengers from time to time, and it's also a DD, which means I need to contend with snow, rain, etc - hence my choice of xDrive. Does it make for a quick car? Sure. But let's not fool ourselves - this isn't a Porsche 911, an Audi R8, or any other purpose-built sports car. It's an "executive sedan" as BMW spells it out... that just happens to have some "sports car" genetics mixed-in.

If you want a race car, buy a race car. Buy a cheaper DD and put your money into something like a 911 if you can't afford both. My eyes are on an older Ferrari at the moment. But these conversations about modded 5-series make me roll on the floor laughing. The damn thing weighs over 4400lbs! Handling? Please.

Now for the M5. It's a strange car to me. I bought a heavily loaded 550xi - roughly $86k. People have asked me, why didn't you just spring for the M5? It wasn't a financial issue - I could afford the M5. But it's a practicality issue. I can't drive the M5 as a DD here in New England. It's essentially good for 2.5 seasons, maybe. Which leads me to wonder about a 4-door sedan that's only usable half the year for people in the north... great, I guess, if you had yet ANOTHER 4-door sedan to use in the snow... AND you're still, IMHO, lacking a real sports car. Just as M5 guys are knocking on the 550, you're going to find entire forums full of Porsche, Ferrari, etc, owners laughing at M5 guys who don't understand the girth, weight, and 4-doors attempting to pass itself off as a race-car. Yes, it's very competent for what it is... which is still, nonetheless, a compromise between a sedan and a real sports car.

Let's start off by acknowledging that BMW never intended a 550 (nor any other non-M 5-series) to be a race-car. While I'm happy the darn thing can go 0 - 60 in 4.3s, and they've even included launch control now, seeing them at a track or drag-strip just makes my laugh. Why are we racing luxury executive sedans again? What are we trying to prove? I think it's clear what demographic BMW was going for - business sedan, family hauler, etc. Why does the 550 have 445hp? It's there for people like me who travel long distances a lot for business, get stuck behind idiots in the left lane, get pissed off, and feel the need to floor it in frustration as I pass them.... not, however, meant to take to your local track!

Clearly the M5 was designed with a different intention. While it looks like a 5-series, I believe 80% of the parts are "unique" if I recall correctly. While I admire the car for what it can do, I still don't claim to understand it. On the street, it's unusable power. Heck, even the 550 for that matter has loads of unusable power in most circumstances. If the M5's place was at the track, why wouldn't you just opt for a 2-seater with much less weight, lower center of gravity, better handling, etc - why are you bringing a 4-door sedan to the track?

My conclusion - 550 is a business sedan and family hauler. It looks silly at a track... regardless of it's ability to achieve low 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times. Buy it for what it was intended to do... add some fun into the 4-door daily driver. The mods, whether mechanical or cosmetic, to each his own... but I honestly don't see the point. The car is quick enough, and making it quicker won't change the fact of what it was "bred" to be.

The M5 is a very expensive compromise. It's not a race car and it's no longer a usable 4-door sedan in much of the country for 4 seasons. While, like most of what BMW does, I can admire the results of their effort, it doesn't change the fact that the M5 is trying to be really good a two very different tasks - a mid-sized, 4-door, luxury sedan and a race-car in one. Those two extremes, mashed together, create a strange car for me that can never be truly great at either being an agile race-car OR a comfy, versatile luxury sedan.

So there you have it... as I said, I'll probably get no love from 550 or M5 owners for it, but it's my take on it. With that said, I plan to fully enjoy my 550 on the road as a DD and pick up a Ferrari 355, 360, or 430 to fill the void of track car and weekend sports car. Two separate and purpose-built cars that can do their jobs reasonably well. Flame away... I've got my fire retardant suit on!

I think all your points are spot on. I think what ticks some of the M5 owners is the guy with a tricked up 550 saying my car is faster than your on this board. My M5 is actually a daily driver, and serves all the same functions for me in the south. I concur it wouldn't be on the NE. I live in NY also, and drive my Escalade as I would never drive a luxury sedan on the brutal winter that just me.

Again your post for your caf usage shouldn't get flamed IMO. Now I do drive my 991S on spirited drives which a Porsche is best at. The M5 is a brute monster which is a fun car also, and if you like M products.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by Tom C

It seems like your post is too "me-centric"....which is to say you are looking at it from only the perspective of what suits YOUR needs....and suits YOUR DD conditions... with very little thought for circumstances beyond YOUR own. BMW M and Mercedes AMG have sold TONS of high performance sedans for YEARS. It may not make logical sense that people would want a heavier, luxurious sedan with 500+hp with big brakes and the ability to go around a race track fairly swiftly....but they wouldn't exist if so many people didn't buy them....and if people are are buying them ...obviously there are lots of people who see the value in owning a luxury high performance sports sedan.

Me, personally, I like having all the creature comforts and luxury items AND the ability to go fast should I like to amuse myself by stomping on the throttle. I don't want to go home and switch cars when the mood changes. I live in Maryland so the winters aren't as bad as when I lived in NY so I can pretty much drive the M5 10+ months of the year and have my AWD SUV for the days when it is not so nice out.

I totally disagree that the car is somehow "strange" because it isn't a lightweight sports car OR a luxury car. But that is fine, you can get your Ferrari 355/360/430 and have your 550xi.... that is the beauty of having all these choices....and as you said...to each his own...

By the way your 550 was more than my M5 Euro delivery(:

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by ezmaass

OK, 550 and M5 drivers, alike, will probably hate me for this, but here it goes...

You buy a 550 to have a "quick" sedan IMO. Hey, I just bought one. As a business person, I need a way to carry around passengers from time to time, and it's also a DD, which means I need to contend with snow, rain, etc - hence my choice of xDrive. Does it make for a quick car? Sure. But let's not fool ourselves - this isn't a Porsche 911, an Audi R8, or any other purpose-built sports car. It's an "executive sedan" as BMW spells it out... that just happens to have some "sports car" genetics mixed-in.

If you want a race car, buy a race car. Buy a cheaper DD and put your money into something like a 911 if you can't afford both. My eyes are on an older Ferrari at the moment. But these conversations about modded 5-series make me roll on the floor laughing. The damn thing weighs over 4400lbs! Handling? Please.

Now for the M5. It's a strange car to me. I bought a heavily loaded 550xi - roughly $86k. People have asked me, why didn't you just spring for the M5? It wasn't a financial issue - I could afford the M5. But it's a practicality issue. I can't drive the M5 as a DD here in New England. It's essentially good for 2.5 seasons, maybe. Which leads me to wonder about a 4-door sedan that's only usable half the year for people in the north... great, I guess, if you had yet ANOTHER 4-door sedan to use in the snow... AND you're still, IMHO, lacking a real sports car. Just as M5 guys are knocking on the 550, you're going to find entire forums full of Porsche, Ferrari, etc, owners laughing at M5 guys who don't understand the girth, weight, and 4-doors attempting to pass itself off as a race-car. Yes, it's very competent for what it is... which is still, nonetheless, a compromise between a sedan and a real sports car.

Let's start off by acknowledging that BMW never intended a 550 (nor any other non-M 5-series) to be a race-car. While I'm happy the darn thing can go 0 - 60 in 4.3s, and they've even included launch control now, seeing them at a track or drag-strip just makes my laugh. Why are we racing luxury executive sedans again? What are we trying to prove? I think it's clear what demographic BMW was going for - business sedan, family hauler, etc. Why does the 550 have 445hp? It's there for people like me who travel long distances a lot for business, get stuck behind idiots in the left lane, get pissed off, and feel the need to floor it in frustration as I pass them.... not, however, meant to take to your local track!

Clearly the M5 was designed with a different intention. While it looks like a 5-series, I believe 80% of the parts are "unique" if I recall correctly. While I admire the car for what it can do, I still don't claim to understand it. On the street, it's unusable power. Heck, even the 550 for that matter has loads of unusable power in most circumstances. If the M5's place was at the track, why wouldn't you just opt for a 2-seater with much less weight, lower center of gravity, better handling, etc - why are you bringing a 4-door sedan to the track?

My conclusion - 550 is a business sedan and family hauler. It looks silly at a track... regardless of it's ability to achieve low 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times. Buy it for what it was intended to do... add some fun into the 4-door daily driver. The mods, whether mechanical or cosmetic, to each his own... but I honestly don't see the point. The car is quick enough, and making it quicker won't change the fact of what it was "bred" to be.

The M5 is a very expensive compromise. It's not a race car and it's no longer a usable 4-door sedan in much of the country for 4 seasons. While, like most of what BMW does, I can admire the results of their effort, it doesn't change the fact that the M5 is trying to be really good a two very different tasks - a mid-sized, 4-door, luxury sedan and a race-car in one. Those two extremes, mashed together, create a strange car for me that can never be truly great at either being an agile race-car OR a comfy, versatile luxury sedan.

So there you have it... as I said, I'll probably get no love from 550 or M5 owners for it, but it's my take on it. With that said, I plan to fully enjoy my 550 on the road as a DD and pick up a Ferrari 355, 360, or 430 to fill the void of track car and weekend sports car. Two separate and purpose-built cars that can do their jobs reasonably well. Flame away... I've got my fire retardant suit on!

By the way your 550 was more than my M5 Euro delivery(: