B&O retrofit, Ceramics, Winters and Turner back box

[rjn21]

I just completed various upgrades. Ceramic brake retrofit kit, reversing camera retrofit kit, B&O retrofit (there is no kit, but it can be done), Turner back box delete, Winter wheels and tyres, Powder coated black winter wheels.

I had previously installed with some difficulty the M pedals and M steering wheel.

Left to do are the IND Challenge rear diffuser (just the diffuser not the whole rear trim), the McRae front splitters and the P3 gauge.

One they are done, I think I'm done..... Will be time to change the car then!

Attached are a few pics of the wheels and B&O, a list of kit needed to do a B&O retrofit and a couple of movies of the Turner exhaust. They will need to be downloaded and the .pdf removed from their name to open in media player.

Loving the B&O and the Turner back box. That's how a car should sound.

ETA: formatting of pics has lost the rotation setting, sorry.

[stealth.pilot]

Wow. I would think it would be cheaper to sell and buy a new car with these features.

[rjn21]

Depends on the level of discount one gets from list on original purchase. If, for example, one were to get >£20k of discount from list then it makes sense to add those bits later and not have to wait for 4 months....

[mstmng]

maybe u need to add piano black

ps: thought reversing camera is standard!

[rjn21]

Originally Posted by mstmng

ps: thought reversing camera is standard!

Not in UK. It should be but no. If I had specced the car it would have been ordered, but the discount on a physical LCI with Competition Pack was too great to resist.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by rjn21

Depends on the level of discount one gets from list on original purchase. If, for example, one were to get >£20k of discount from list then it makes sense to add those bits later and not have to wait for 4 months....

Did you get 20k off, then?

[rjn21]

Originally Posted by Actor

Did you get 20k off, then?

I may know someone who got >20k off.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by rjn21

I may know someone who got >20k off.

Pray tell; off to the dealer on Tuesday to pull the trigger on an M5 to March/April delivery in time for the 14 plate. Got 15.5k off but was hoping to get the car down to 20k off. If it is possible please let me know so that I can bash the dealer over the head with it!!!!

[Actor]

Originally Posted by mstmng

maybe u need to add piano black

ps: thought reversing camera is standard!

Nah; is an option

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Actor

Pray tell; off to the dealer on Tuesday to pull the trigger on an M5 to March/April delivery in time for the 14 plate. Got 15.5k off but was hoping to get the car down to 20k off. If it is possible please let me know so that I can bash the dealer over the head with it!!!!

i know people who got 20k off with 95k price tag and 15k with 75k price tag
but both cars were on display at dealership, both were latest models in it's "series"

[Actor]

Originally Posted by mstmng

i know people who got 20k off with 95k price tag and 15k with 75k price tag
but both cars were on display at dealership, both were latest models in it's "series"

Mine is with me ordering so seems like a good deal, then. Price tag is 78k all in and am being offered the car for 63k. Will try and get it down further and if dealer bites…boom!!!!!

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Actor

Mine is with me ordering so seems like a good deal, then. Price tag is 78k all in and am being offered the car for 63k. Will try and get it down further and if dealer bites…boom!!!!!

make sure u getting m-multifunctional seats! standard seats are awful!

[Actor]

Originally Posted by mstmng

make sure u getting m-multifunctional seats! standard seats are awful!

Which seats do you have? The test car I drove had the standard seats and was fine.

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Actor

Which seats do you have? The test car I drove had the standard seats and was fine.

They are not comfy, at least for long trips
And look very cheap!
I have m-multifuntional

[Actor]

Originally Posted by mstmng

They are not comfy, at least for long trips
And look very cheap!
I have m-multifuntional

Will add that to the list

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by rjn21

I just completed various upgrades. Winter wheels and tyres, Powder coated black winter wheels.

Those are some serious upgrades

What wheels are these and are they designed to fit the M5 as-is?

Can't find a winter wheel & tyre package for M5 on UK website - anyone asked at a dealership if such a thing is available?

[rjn21]

Originally Posted by Actor

Pray tell; off to the dealer on Tuesday to pull the trigger on an M5 to March/April delivery in time for the 14 plate. Got 15.5k off but was hoping to get the car down to 20k off. If it is possible please let me know so that I can bash the dealer over the head with it!!!!

As always its KPI reference dates and whether they have been met in the 1/4 or 1/1 you are purchasing. If a particular dealer needs to sell 1 M car to meet that target bright line and you are in the right place at the right time, you're in. However dealers are measured on registrations not orders, so WIP doesn't count. You are looking at a Q2 2014 registration so the dealer is guessing whether or not they will make the target then. 15.5 off to spec a car sounds a good deal. I know someone who got > than 20k off, 4 yr, 0% finance, zero deposit on a PCP with a GFV and a trade in, so on completing the deal, cash was paid back equal to the trade in and deposit. Of course the deposit was paid on a credit card for the air miles, and the cash back meant it was free money until the credit card was settled 56 days later.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by rjn21

As always its KPI reference dates and whether they have been met in the 1/4 or 1/1 you are purchasing. If a particular dealer needs to sell 1 M car to meet that target bright line and you are in the right place at the right time, you're in. However dealers are measured on registrations not orders, so WIP doesn't count. You are looking at a Q2 2014 registration so the dealer is guessing whether or not they will make the target then. 15.5 off to spec a car sounds a good deal. I know someone who got > than 20k off, 4 yr, 0% finance, zero deposit on a PCP with a GFV and a trade in, so on completing the deal, cash was paid back equal to the trade in and deposit. Of course the deposit was paid on a credit card for the air miles, and the cash back meant it was free money until the credit card was settled 56 days later.

You've lost me in all that "speak". I 'm on for a 4yr 0% finance, paying a deposit on a PCP with a GFV and my current bimmer as a trade in. Fill me in (layman terms) on the cash back equivalent to the trade in and deposit. Sounds like your mate was "quids in". Sorry about the persistence but want to get the best deal I can.

[rjn21]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Those are some serious upgrades

What wheels are these and are they designed to fit the M5 as-is?

Can't find a winter wheel & tyre package for M5 on UK website - anyone asked at a dealership if such a thing is available?

Yes the website is rubbish. The OEM wheels and tyres are below. I have found the cheapest place for tyres only to be this place http://stores.ebay.co.uk/goodwheel/ Great service, delivery to UK inc in the price.

I fitted the OEM 409 wheels with Dunlops and had them powder coated black.
If you want OEM:

36 11 2 304 703 are 409M 9JX20 ET:32, winter wheels and tyres front axle, 255/35R20 97V, Dunlop SP Wintersport 3D. (£1,750)

36 11 2 304 710 are 409M 9JX20 ET:25, winter wheels and tyres rear axle, 255/35R20 97V, Dunlop SP Wintersport 3D. (£1,750)

If you don't have ceramics and want 19" wheels:
36 11 2 220 678 are 408M 9JX19 ET:32 winter wheels and tyres front axle 255/40R19 100V, Pirelli W240 Sotto Zero. (£1,460)

36 11 2 220 679 are 408M 9JX19 ET:25 winter wheels and tyres rear axle 255/40R19 100V, Pirelli W240 Sotto Zero (£1,460)

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Actor

Will add that to the list

Good choice; they are definitely worth the money.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by rjn21

Yes the website is rubbish. The OEM wheels and tyres are below. I have found the cheapest place for tyres only to be this place http://stores.ebay.co.uk/goodwheel/ Great service, delivery to UK inc in the price.

I fitted the OEM 409 wheels with Dunlops and had them powder coated black.
If you want OEM:

36 11 2 304 703 are 409M 9JX20 ET:32, winter wheels and tyres front axle, 255/35R20 97V, Dunlop SP Wintersport 3D. (£1,750)

36 11 2 304 710 are 409M 9JX20 ET:25, winter wheels and tyres rear axle, 255/35R20 97V, Dunlop SP Wintersport 3D. (£1,750)

If you don't have ceramics and want 19" wheels:
36 11 2 220 678 are 408M 9JX19 ET:32 winter wheels and tyres front axle 255/40R19 100V, Pirelli W240 Sotto Zero. (£1,460)

36 11 2 220 679 are 408M 9JX19 ET:25 winter wheels and tyres rear axle 255/40R19 100V, Pirelli W240 Sotto Zero (£1,460)

Thanks (pretty reasonable for OEM) - will ask at the dealership when I'm next in.

[rjn21]

Originally Posted by Actor

You've lost me in all that "speak". I 'm on for a 4yr 0% finance, paying a deposit on a PCP with a GFV and my current bimmer as a trade in. Fill me in (layman terms) on the cash back equivalent to the trade in and deposit. Sounds like your mate was "quids in". Sorry about the persistence but want to get the best deal I can.

So let's say your car is 65k. As its 0% finance there is the same cost of borrowing 30k, or 65k - ie nothing. So borrow the full 65k. Payments per month are of course higher.

At the same time you pay some holding deposit to the dealer (not a finance deposit) and you give your old car as trade in. So the dealer gets 65k from BMW Finance UK + your deposit + your trade in car, when all they want is 65k for the new car. ie they end up owing you your deposit and trade in value.

You have 0 equity in the car from day 1, but who cares, why have equity in a depreciating asset. As long as you understand that come trade in time next time your M5 is unlikely to have significant equity in it.

If you want to be really funky (some dealers get this others think you are money laundering), increase the purchase price of the new car to list BUT also increase your trade in value by same amount. Say your trade in is 15 and list is 78.

Your deal is 65 for new and 15 for trade, but you finance full 65. ie they owe you 15k.
If increase purchase to list of 78 and increase your trade in 28, but you finance the full 78, ie they owe you 28k.

It's a cheap way of borrowing money at 0%. The dealer takes a loss on the trade in but books the new car at list.

Some dealers get it, others think you are trying to screw them, others think you are money laundering. Neither I'm sure would be the case, but it all depends whose P&L new car sales and trade ins end up on.