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      10-21-2016, 01:58 AM   #23
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I'm on the fence based on what I know now. I'm inclined to go back to a pure sports car because the M5, although a great car, is still a large sedan and I don't need the rear seats. The biggest concern I have is that the new 5-Series is pretty boring looking. I'm disappointed that BMW took such a conservative approach to the design. And the interior isn't as attractive as Mercedes or Audi. I think Mercedes, especially in the AMG models, doesn't a great job making an attractive, yet sporty, interior. The exterior of the new 5-Series is too angular and masculine looking. And it's too similar to the current car; looks more like a mid-cycle refresh than a new car. I think BMW made the same mistake with the current 3-Series and with the new 7-Series. Both are very "safe" designs, look too similar to the predecessor models, and don't move car design forward or take any risks. I'm hoping BMW makes the new M5 far more aggressive than the standard car and redesign the panels so that it truly looks different from a standard 5-Series. I think AWD will be a great addition, though it will add weight. And I'd like to see a big bump in HP that puts it solidly ahead of the competition.
Damn. Well said sir. Well said.

The best thing you said was the thing about moving the design forward. That's exactly what I think the E60 did with the Bangle designs back in the day.

I think the G30 is very nice but I'm not exactly wow'd. I do think the next M5 will be quite aggressive though.
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I won't trade mine but I most will get one when my current lease is up in Aug 2019 as long as the LCI and CP is available. I am currently on my 3rd F10 and 2nd M5 and have not found anything that fits all of my wants and needs as well. Sure some options fit particular wants and needs better but nothing as a whole package without having two cars one as a DD and a weekend sports car. I don't want to give up a fun DD for something boring and only have fun on the weekends but who knows I may just keep my current M5 and get a weekender instead.
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First of all the G30 chassis is now too big. Second there is no way that M is going to be able to produce an M5 that cuts the weight so that it is any more than 250lbs lighter than the F10 M5. Third, there is no doubt that it will best the F10 M5 in every measurable way. I have no desire for a bigger car than the F10 chassis, the F10 is already big enough for an M5. Besides they are using the same damn engine configuration as in the F10 M5, where's the excitement in that? The only things that have me excited about the next M5 is all of the tech that it's going to get. The next M6 on the other hand, is a different story. Also the Pre-LCI G80 (F90) M5's are once again going to have horrible residual values for the first couple years of production, there's no way I'm playing that game again. If I ever get another M car it's going to be an LCI model with the Comp Package and all the options with great residuals.

Ha! Tall people like me are rejoicing at the thought of extra leg and headroom.
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I was at the Thermal Club earlier this month, attending BMW M track days, and tried all the M cars back to back. Started with the M4 in a timed auto cross and then drag raced the M5, M6 Coupe & convertible, and X6M. After that we went on the technical track and played chase the leader in the M2. Lastly, went on the faster track and played chase the leader in the M3, where in the straights we were hitting 130mph. It was a fun day and glad I was invited by BMW to attend. It really exposed me to all the M lineup and its driving characteristics.

I would rule out the X6M on mere size and noticeable turbo lag, but once it gets going it's one scary and powerful machine that defy the laws of physics. I don't get high performing SUV's, but the car shocked me.

The M5 was bleh. As much as I love my car, it felt the most insulated and artificial sounding of the bunch. It is comfortable, fast, and can handle for its size, but inside I didn't feel the rawness of its smaller siblings.

The M6 was the biggest surprise for me. It has the same engine as the M5, but the rush I felt and the note from the exhaust was visceral. My friend who drives an F80 M3, was pleasantly surprised at how the M6 coupe felt and sounded. It was the clear winner, in my book, in the drag race segment and exhaust note.

The M2 was the most fun, nimble, and raw. I was amazed at how this little thing handled, the crackle and pop of the exhaust, and the noise I was able to hear through the cabin. The only downside was the cabin and how it felt cheap. On the technical track, the M2 was accurate and communicated well with the driver. I would love to have the m2 as DD around the city.

The M3 and M4, both struck a good balance between comfort, luxury, and raw experience. With the full leather package, it felt high quality and looked very sporty. The car felt special because it looked the part. With bulging wheel arches, dome hood, CF roof, it didn't look like a regular 3 series. The exhaust I grew to love, despite the metallic sounding rasp, it penetrated the cabin and crackled and popped at times. I felt like I was driving a sports car, compared to the M5, where you feel insulated from its performance potential.

From this experience, I would consider either the M3/M4 for its practicality and performance. If I wanted to stay in the M5 realm, I am considering the newly redesigned Panamera 4S or waiting to see the next M6 or M6gc. Considering the price point of either the 4S / M6 and its depreciation, I may just sacrifice practicality and go for a 911 4S.
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      10-23-2016, 07:59 PM   #27
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Just curious. How many will trade from the F10 M5 to the F90? and how soon?
Maybe if I can get one without the hockey stick stuck on each side. I despise this design. Who knows, maybe I'll warm up to the style... Don't think so because I still dislike the new 7er. I think BMW has lost their design sense. Hopefully they'll find it again someday.
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I'm on the fence based on what I know now. I'm inclined to go back to a pure sports car because the M5, although a great car, is still a large sedan and I don't need the rear seats. The biggest concern I have is that the new 5-Series is pretty boring looking. I'm disappointed that BMW took such a conservative approach to the design. And the interior isn't as attractive as Mercedes or Audi. I think Mercedes, especially in the AMG models, doesn't a great job making an attractive, yet sporty, interior. The exterior of the new 5-Series is too angular and masculine looking. And it's too similar to the current car; looks more like a mid-cycle refresh than a new car. I think BMW made the same mistake with the current 3-Series and with the new 7-Series. Both are very "safe" designs, look too similar to the predecessor models, and don't move car design forward or take any risks. I'm hoping BMW makes the new M5 far more aggressive than the standard car and redesign the panels so that it truly looks different from a standard 5-Series. I think AWD will be a great addition, though it will add weight. And I'd like to see a big bump in HP that puts it solidly ahead of the competition.
Damn. Well said sir. Well said.

The best thing you said was the thing about moving the design forward. That's exactly what I think the E60 did with the Bangle designs back in the day.

I think the G30 is very nice but I'm not exactly wow'd. I do think the next M5 will be quite aggressive though.
I agree, same with X5s, the new one looks too much like E70 X5s, practically the same exterior with updated head lights and rear lights and some new lines here and there.

Granted, new X5s I read still mostly shares the same E70 platform. But G30 looks like a cosmetically upgraded F10 instead of a brand new platform.
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I agree, same with X5s, the new one looks too much like E70 X5s, practically the same exterior with updated head lights and rear lights and some new lines here and there.

Granted, new X5s I read still mostly shares the same E70 platform. But G30 looks like a cosmetically upgraded F10 instead of a brand new platform.
Will probably keep my existing F10 until the end of its lease then swap it for an LCI Competition Pack M2 (assuming such a thing exists) or an M4 if it doesn't. I will be trying a new TTRS and an AMG 63S before I make a final decision, although the AMG has the same weight issue as the M5
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gonna trade F10 for F80 next month, but definitely will back into F90 once it comes out.
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gonna trade F10 for F80 next month, but definitely will back into F90 once it comes out.
I will definitely consider the F90 when it comes out. I will miss my B&O stereo though when I get my F82. I have totally loved it in my F10.
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I will definitely consider the F90 when it comes out. I will miss my B&O stereo though when I get my F82. I have totally loved it in my F10.
Yes I have the B&O in my F10 too, but no any other choice. The only available option for f80 is HK.
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Yes I have the B&O in my F10 too, but no any other choice. The only available option for f80 is HK.
First world problems but the B&O is awesome for a stock system. I am looking forward to the relative lightness of the F82 platform.
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I'll add a few other points to my earlier comment that the new 5-Series looks too similar to the previous one. I think this is a common issue with manufacturers. They come out with a new model that looks truly distinct and then each subsequent generation is just a mild tweak of the design. Two good (or is it bad?) examples in my view are the R8 and TT. Both are attractive cars, don't get me wrong. But the new ones look too similar to the old ones. The new R8 is a huge let downn. It's just a more angular version of the previous one. The current Viper has the same problem. I also feel the same about the 911, but to a lesser degree. I think Chevy does a terrific job with the Vette. Each generation of the Vette is unmistakably a Vette, but each one also looks like a comprehensively redesigned car. I'll be curious to see whether that holds with the upcoming mid-engined Vette. For some cars that are beautiful designs, such as the Viper, 911, TT and R8, I can understand why a manufacturer would want to keep the look. But for something like a 5-Series or 7-Series, I'd don't get it. A 5-Series or 7-Series isn't a gorgeous car and, at least to me, has fewer attributes that define its look. In other words, if Porsche dramatically tweaked the 911 and slapped a 911 badge on it, people might feel it wasn't truly a 911. But BMW could dramatically alter the 7-Series and call it a 7-Series, and I doubt most people would care.
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I'll add a few other points to my earlier comment that the new 5-Series looks too similar to the previous one. I think this is a common issue with manufacturers. They come out with a new model that looks truly distinct and then each subsequent generation is just a mild tweak of the design. Two good (or is it bad?) examples in my view are the R8 and TT. Both are attractive cars, don't get me wrong. But the new ones look too similar to the old ones. The new R8 is a huge let downn. It's just a more angular version of the previous one. The current Viper has the same problem. I also feel the same about the 911, but to a lesser degree. I think Chevy does a terrific job with the Vette. Each generation of the Vette is unmistakably a Vette, but each one also looks like a comprehensively redesigned car. I'll be curious to see whether that holds with the upcoming mid-engined Vette. For some cars that are beautiful designs, such as the Viper, 911, TT and R8, I can understand why a manufacturer would want to keep the look. But for something like a 5-Series or 7-Series, I'd don't get it. A 5-Series or 7-Series isn't a gorgeous car and, at least to me, has fewer attributes that define its look. In other words, if Porsche dramatically tweaked the 911 and slapped a 911 badge on it, people might feel it wasn't truly a 911. But BMW could dramatically alter the 7-Series and call it a 7-Series, and I doubt most people would care.
Maybe it's also a testament to how successful the F10 platform is. Perhaps BMW doesn't want to stir the pot by making the G30 too distinctively different.
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I think I will be holding on to my F10 M5. The desire to swap out my F10 for F90 M5 is just not there for me. BTW: I still don't understand why the new M5 will be designated the F90 and not G30 M5. Why the change? The new M5 will be based on the G30 5 series chassis which would lead one to believe the new M model would be designated the G30 M5.
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I might. But getting an M4 after my current M5.
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I think I will be holding on to my F10 M5. The desire to swap out my F10 for F90 M5 is just not there for me. BTW: I still don't understand why the new M5 will be designated the F90 and not G30 M5. Why the change? The new M5 will be based on the G30 5 series chassis which would lead one to believe the new M model would be designated the G30 M5.
part of the reason may be due to the new M5 still using the last gen F10 M5 engine. Thus, it would be like LCI x2 in a sense.
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I'll consider the F90 a few year after it comes out. I'm not a fan of being a beta tester for BMW. Just my personal experience but I try to steer clear of the first version of a car.
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I think I will be holding on to my F10 M5. The desire to swap out my F10 for F90 M5 is just not there for me. BTW: I still don't understand why the new M5 will be designated the F90 and not G30 M5. Why the change? The new M5 will be based on the G30 5 series chassis which would lead one to believe the new M model would be designated the G30 M5.
part of the reason may be due to the new M5 still using the last gen F10 M5 engine. Thus, it would be like LCI x2 in a sense.
The last Fxx design block was reserved for M Vehicles. Has nothing to do with carryover.

S63 will be another variant.

Instead of doing like was done in the past (i.e. S50,S52,S54), TU updates are done instead thanks to the modular construction.
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I hope BMW is studying the competition very seriously.............because the bar just keeps getting higher and higher





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I hope BMW is studying the competition very seriously.............because the bar just keeps getting higher and higher

Spectacular aesthetics. But for those of us that lease (do a business lease) MB treats you like they hate you.
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I think I will be holding on to my F10 M5. The desire to swap out my F10 for F90 M5 is just not there for me. BTW: I still don't understand why the new M5 will be designated the F90 and not G30 M5. Why the change? The new M5 will be based on the G30 5 series chassis which would lead one to believe the new M model would be designated the G30 M5.
part of the reason may be due to the new M5 still using the last gen F10 M5 engine. Thus, it would be like LCI x2 in a sense.
The last Fxx design block was reserved for M Vehicles. Has nothing to do with carryover.

S63 will be another variant.

Instead of doing like was done in the past (i.e. S50,S52,S54), TU updates are done instead thanks to the modular construction.
This is the first explanation I've ever heard as to the reasoning why the next M5 is going to be designated the F90 and not the G80. Thanks!
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I think I will be holding on to my F10 M5. The desire to swap out my F10 for F90 M5 is just not there for me. BTW: I still don't understand why the new M5 will be designated the F90 and not G30 M5. Why the change? The new M5 will be based on the G30 5 series chassis which would lead one to believe the new M model would be designated the G30 M5.
part of the reason may be due to the new M5 still using the last gen F10 M5 engine. Thus, it would be like LCI x2 in a sense.
The last Fxx design block was reserved for M Vehicles. Has nothing to do with carryover.

S63 will be another variant.

Instead of doing like was done in the past (i.e. S50,S52,S54), TU updates are done instead thanks to the modular construction.
This is the first explanation I've ever heard as to the reasoning why the next M5 is going to be designated the F90 and not the G80. Thanks!
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