WTB: F10 gruppeM intake

[hov333]

Hi vendors, do any of you have this intake in stock?

[M6Pilot]

did you look at the eventuri intake i think it looks a little better or the arma speed intake looks similar but i think its a little cheaper on price.

[Northern X5M]

It is a very nice piece, but as a past owner of a Gruppe M... I am recommending you look at one of the other available options.

[hov333]

Hi northern, I saw you previously sold yours. Could you share your experience with it?

Looked into the BMS but didn't like how there was no airbox to protect from water and how obvious the cones looked behind the grills.

Interested in a quality product that is designed well, provides power and holds resale value.

Eventuri is a good option but I didn't see any dyno sheets or many reviews

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by hov333

Hi northern, I saw you previously sold yours. Could you share your experience with it?

Looked into the BMS but didn't like how there was no airbox to protect from water and how obvious the cones looked behind the grills.

Interested in a quality product that is designed well, provides power and holds resale value.

Eventuri is a good option but I didn't see any dyno sheets or many reviews

If you go with the wrinkle black on the MSR intake it wont too visible from outside behind the grills. I and a few others have been driving with no issues from water or rain.

[allmotor_2000]

What are you trying to achieve?

1. Looks : Gruppe Eventuri
2. Sound : MSR / BMS
3. Bang for the buck : stock with K&N filters

Performance gains (IMO) is the same across all!

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

What are you trying to achieve?

1. Looks : Gruppe Eventuri
2. Sound : MSR / BMS
3. Bang for the buck : stock with K&N filters

Performance gains (IMO) is the same across all!

I don't agree, if you want to see real data testing MSR intake has proven to make huge gains after two weeks of adaptation, no other intake makes this kinda of power do to its unconventional design. Dyno does not prove its true potential do to not getting real world air like on the street of 60-150+ mph

You can email info@mstreetracing.com for all Dyno, vbox and track testing


Enjoy

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by hov333

Hi northern, I saw you previously sold yours. Could you share your experience with it?

Looked into the BMS but didn't like how there was no airbox to protect from water and how obvious the cones looked behind the grills.

Interested in a quality product that is designed well, provides power and holds resale value.

Eventuri is a good option but I didn't see any dyno sheets or many reviews

My #1 issue with the Gruppe M was how it sealed the the filters. They use a shell that just fits over the air filters and does not seal the filters from the engine bay at all. The Gruppe M also has a weird induction sucking sound that I didn't like, I am wondering if it was from the poor fitting filter boxes. I think the stock boxes with high flow filters and scoops would be a better option than the Gruppe M.

I really like the aggressive look of the MSR filters behind the grills. Car people notice and I get alot of "whoa!" at the track or at the gas station.
I found a noticeable power improvement from the MSR over the Gruppe, and the MSR sounds better too. The MSR is extremely well built and I think over time it will prove to hold the most resale value over all the intake options out there.

[Speed808Ix]

Originally Posted by hov333

Hi vendors, do any of you have this intake in stock?

I can sell you mine its used

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by m6beast

I don't agree, if you want to see real data testing MSR intake has proven to make huge gains after two weeks of adaptation, no other intake makes this kinda of power do to its unconventional design. Dyno does not prove its true potential do to not getting real world air like on the street of 60-150+ mph

You can email info@mstreetracing.com for all Dyno, vbox and track testing


Enjoy

Like I said its my opinion - anyone can prove me wrong when they run quicker than 142.5mph in the 1/4 at DA > 0 and stage 1 turbos.

Not bashing any product - people can spend their money how they want. I just want to be unbiased as possible given my experience.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Like I said its my opinion - anyone can prove me wrong when they run quicker than 142.5mph in the 1/4 at DA > 0 and stage 1 turbos.

Not bashing any product - people can spend their money how they want. I just want to be unbiased as possible given my experience.

Is that a challenge....?

You never let your car adapt fully to the intake which has to adapt everytime you make changes, your car has gone through so many changes that you didn't give it enough time to adapt fully.

The intake is compressed air so everytime you add boost, change tunes or map changes it has to relearn on the street. The Dyno doesnt show its true potential Since you can't get 100-150 mph. When you're pushing that much air the dmes will will close the throttle so it doesn't run too lean and the more ignition turns the more it makes changes form opening throttle and adding fuel.

I've done every test with every mod and the more mods the more power it makes, all Dyno track and vbox proven. I've even done recent testing with video to prove the intake performs. Another week will post the videos before and after with Dyno to show the Dyno gains are not as high as real world gains on the street.

If the intake didn't make power it wouldn't of gotten misfire codes or too much air codes in the upper gears without proper adaptation for some of my customers. I've logged every pull and you'll see it as the car starts to adapt, boost in the beginning will not be a smooth curve, but as you continue the adaptation process, you'll see the boost curve starts to clean up and hit target.

My intake has proven to knock I off .5 seconds 60-130 mph vbox and knocked off .5-.6 seconds and gained 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile with identical 60ft times.

So as for you not seeing any gains it's because you guys didn't set your car up and left it for a while and let the intake do its job after that.

Here's a video of the intake on the M4 datalogged and Dyno numbers to show its true potential. If the intake didn't make gains I definitely wouldn't of spent my money on patenting it.

Anyway enjoy the video and will post another Dyno and video race against stock M5 noncomp verse stock M6 comp, and intake Dyno and video race

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by m6beast

Is that a challenge....?

You never let your car adapt fully to the intake which has to adapt everytime you make changes, your car has gone through so many changes that you didn't give it enough time to adapt fully.

The intake is compressed air so everytime you add boost, change tunes or map changes it has to relearn on the street. The Dyno doesnt show its true potential Since you can't get 100-150 mph. When you're pushing that much air the dmes will will close the throttle so it doesn't run too lean and the more ignition turns the more it makes changes form opening throttle and adding fuel.

I've done every test with every mod and the more mods the more power it makes, all Dyno track and vbox proven. I've even done recent testing with video to prove the intake performs. Another week will post the videos before and after with Dyno to show the Dyno gains are not as high as real world gains on the street.

If the intake didn't make power it wouldn't of gotten misfire codes or too much air codes in the upper gears without proper adaptation for some of my customers. I've logged every pull and you'll see it as the car starts to adapt, boost in the beginning will not be a smooth curve, but as you continue the adaptation process, you'll see the boost curve starts to clean up and hit target.

My intake has proven to knock I off .5 seconds 60-130 mph vbox and knocked off .5-.6 seconds and gained 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile with identical 60ft times.

So as for you not seeing any gains it's because you guys didn't set your car up and left it for a while and let the intake do its job after that.

Here's a video of the intake on the M4 datalogged and Dyno numbers to show its true potential. If the intake didn't make gains I definitely wouldn't of spent my money on patenting it.

Anyway enjoy the video and will post another Dyno and video race against stock M5 noncomp verse stock M6 comp, and intake Dyno and video race

Don't take this personally - I am making an opinion and you have all the right to have a different one. Also, I am not targeting your intake in any way. I made a general comment about intakes on this platform in general. I don't see Evolve, BMS, Gruppe getting excited about my $0.02. If you or anybody else doesn't agree that's absolutely fine - it's a free country. People review products all the time - how is this any different? Read my post again. Considering I am not even reviewing a specific product... all I said is that intakes in general don't do much on this platform and generally offer similar gains. Right or wrong that's my view. Exhaust doesn't do much either for that matter. As a business owner and vendor, targeting a customer publicly isn't good business practice. Have something to discuss, call me; you have my number.

Having said all of that, I am 100% sure if I bolt ANY intake on MY car today it will NEVER gain 5mph in the 1/4.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Don't take this personally - I am making an opinion and you have all the right to have a different one. Also, I am not targeting your intake in any way. I made a general comment about intakes on this platform in general. I don't see Evolve, BMS, Gruppe getting excited about my $0.02. If you or anybody else doesn't agree that's absolutely fine - it's a free country. People review products all the time - how is this any different? Read my post again. Considering I am not even reviewing a specific product... all I said is that intakes in general don't do much on this platform and generally offer similar gains. Right or wrong that's my view. Exhaust doesn't do much either for that matter. As a business owner and vendor, targeting a customer publicly isn't good business practice. Have something to discuss, call me; you have my number.

Having said all of that, I am 100% sure if I bolt ANY intake on MY car today it will NEVER gain 5mph in the 1/4.

Lol are you serious targeting a customer...? You yourself said if any one can beat your 142 mph to prove it..... Believe me I don't need to push anything on anyone, as much as I've supported you and other vendors and continue its sad to hear from others of your negative feed back when I've never done anything to you other then supported you.

I'm always here for everyone and everyone will tell you I'm always pushing them to other vendors to give them the satisfaction they're looking for including you when you're asking me whats the best way to launch the car at the drag strip. I spent my time late in the night giving you all the advice to help you and was excited to see you get your car in the low 10's and now 9's. I don't need recognition for my efforts or when guiding others in the right direction, but don't put me down and show your unappreciation or even say negative comments to others behind closed doors. Im very passionate about everything I do and don't settle for less, that includes helping you and fellow forum members, always have and always will so don't make this out to be about coming after you. I'm just letting forum members know if they want to see a 10 page data sheet of real testing they have the choice to see it and not and opinion.

[allmotor_2000]

You definitely have supported all your customers and even me on your experience - not denying that. Also, folks have asked me about intakes and I have said what I said on this thread. If it's construed as negative so be it. I have never said (private or public) Intake A sucks and Intake B is great - only intakes in general did nothing much for me. People expect glorious reviews of an intake on this car thats all. If not singing praise is being negative... what can I say!

If it does make power that's great - I am probably leaving a lot on the table then.

Again, nothing personal!

[Used2be]

Originally Posted by m6beast

You never let your car adapt fully to the intake which has to adapt everytime you make changes, your car has gone through so many changes that you didn't give it enough time to adapt fully.

I don't have your technical expertise and would appreciate an explanation of your definition of "adapt". You seem to imply that adaptation takes days or weeks of driving on the street to be fully accomplished after the installation of a modified intake system, yours or any other I assume.

Let me give you my uninformed opinion of how I feel the DME would deal with the changes it sees in its sampling of the new airflow. Once the modified intake is installed the airflow changes would maintain the same differences from the stock intake over the rpm range, wouldn't they? Once the engine is taken through the full rpm range under acceleration conditions similar to a drag strip run, wouldn't the DME have all the information it needs to change its fuel, ignition, and whatever else comes into play to adapt? What is the sampling rate of the various sensors in the engine? I have no idea, but wouldn't it be many times per second? With that rate of sample taking, wouldn't the engine adapt very quickly? Wouldn't the DME try to optimize the various parameters as soon as it could? It wouldn't spend days sneaking up on the proper air/fuel ratios or spark advance would it? If there were a performance improvement to be found, wouldn't it be developed by the DME over the course of just one day at the strip, even with only 6 or 8 runs?

And these questions I pose only relate to adaptation and don't address another basic question of whether a twin turbo motor actually benefits from a relatively small percentage increase in induction airflow over the stock system. Another topic over which I am lacking in knowledge.

From all I've read of the comments from your customers you are a dedicated and helpful vendor and wish to assist your customers in any way you can. Please help me understand this adaptation process in a more detailed way. Thank you.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by Used2be

I don't have your technical expertise and would appreciate an explanation of your definition of "adapt". You seem to imply that adaptation takes days or weeks of driving on the street to be fully accomplished after the installation of a modified intake system, yours or any other I assume.

Let me give you my uninformed opinion of how I feel the DME would deal with the changes it sees in its sampling of the new airflow. Once the modified intake is installed the airflow changes would maintain the same differences from the stock intake over the rpm range, wouldn't they? Once the engine is taken through the full rpm range under acceleration conditions similar to a drag strip run, wouldn't the DME have all the information it needs to change its fuel, ignition, and whatever else comes into play to adapt? What is the sampling rate of the various sensors in the engine? I have no idea, but wouldn't it be many times per second? With that rate of sample taking, wouldn't the engine adapt very quickly? Wouldn't the DME try to optimize the various parameters as soon as it could? It wouldn't spend days sneaking up on the proper air/fuel ratios or spark advance would it? If there were a performance improvement to be found, wouldn't it be developed by the DME over the course of just one day at the strip, even with only 6 or 8 runs?

And these questions I pose only relate to adaptation and don't address another basic question of whether a twin turbo motor actually benefits from a relatively small percentage increase in induction airflow over the stock system. Another topic over which I am lacking in knowledge.

From all I've read of the comments from your customers you are a dedicated and helpful vendor and wish to assist your customers in any way you can. Please help me understand this adaptation process in a more detailed way. Thank you.

Yes the adaptation is very minimal when adding a typical intake, catless DP or full exhaust do to being a more efficient system compared to stock, but the MSR intake is compressed air and the faster you go the more volume and higher velocity of air. It takes longer because air volume is different compared to just relying on the turbos to do their job. Mph, rpm, load, your driving style, mods and weather all Have an effect how the car performs with the intake. The intake is like raising power by 2-3lbs of boost and proven by all the data testing I've done. People think I'm crazy when I explain the process but once they start driving and see how everyday the car gets stronger from the next and taking almost two weeks to be consistent they finally understand.

Hopefully this makes since