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10-15-2013, 12:42 AM | #45 |
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M5 looks AWESOME in action!!!
M5 + Comp Pack = Perfect Sport Sedan Now I just need $$$$$ to upgrade from my 535i
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10-15-2013, 03:02 AM | #48 |
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People, there is only one reason to get the CP, which is plenty enough for me. That's the improve steering rack. According to some, it provides more feel and is quicker. That's the only major complain I have for the car. The CP seem to have sorted it out. I am still waiting to test drive it to make up my mind on whether I should buy the same car twice...
The added 15 bhp, plus if you specify the perf exhaust, we are looking at least 580 bhp. That's about as much horses as I am ever gonna need.
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10-15-2013, 07:18 AM | #50 |
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What Happened To The E60 aluminium nose?
A step in the right direction, but more needs to be done. I would never give up my M, but BMW has got to do more to manage the weight of its M cars.
Truthfully, I prefer the handling of my E60 over the current generation of cars. The handling and traction benchmark of the class has been lost and a brand such as Porsche has emulated the thinking behind the original M5 and taken it a step further in terms of luxury and sustainable performance. I do not like the new (AMG) high torque/low RPM philosophy either. They have to go turbo, but I wish they would look at Mclearn for inspiration and give us a turbo screamer with a clever differential to balance it. Come on M! |
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10-15-2013, 07:42 AM | #52 | |
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Also, you really have to get the steering in comfort mode. I remember how nuts it drove me when I got the car first. My inclination, as it is with many people, was to put it in Sport+. I found out from a performance guy (and fellow F10 owner) that at the BMW Performance Center in Spartanburgh, SC, they recommend that setting. That is how they track the car as well. They informed us that Sport+ was for straight-line autobahn driving. The car will fight you otherwise. As soon as you switch to comfort it really takes a lot of the "weighty" feel out of the car. Still, I agree. M needs to reduce the weight. It keeps g-r-o-w-i-n-g...
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I drive a '13 M5. I've also driven a CP '14 M5. The difference is minimal. Doesn't feel any faster. While subjective, i'm not quite sure what he's talking about. The engine noise, also subjective, is intoxicating. I've turned my "fabricated" sound off. Still sounds fantastic. The artificial noise is actually quite minimal. There are Youtube videos that portray this. Handling on the CP is slightly stiffer, but plenty good on the standard M5. The "base" car handles outstandingly for the weight - and I came from an E92 M3. For the people requesting CCB on the standard, take look at Porsche. Would you rather BMW nickel and dime you? The margins are much lower on the M cars. With the rapidly growing line that they have introduced, they have to offer these incentives for a premium. IMO, the future looks bright for the brand. Look at the F80 M3/M4 coming in at 3300lbs, all WHILE increasing HP and TQ figures. Not sure how much higher they want to push the HP war on the next gen M5, but expect to see dramatic weight savings. I believe that they are truly listening to their customers.
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I don't. They seem to at least be getting back to performance mindset with the M3/4-their signature performance car. I don't know if they will go that direction with the M5. Different target driver at the $100K price point. Luxury disappearing for the sake of weight reduction will likely hurt sales badly. We are a small minority on here.
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I feel the same way as many people here. If the Comp Pack was available when I was shopping for the 2013 M5, I would have gotten it. I'm usually not in the habit of buying the same car twice for some extra stuff. We'll see though as I am probably going to be tracking my M5 a lot more in the future. The real conundrum comes when considering the real flaw of the F10 which was so precisely pointed out by Carlos also, the weight. Would people prefer a more expensive better handling M5 or M6, or a superbly handling car with less power, luxury, and utility, the M4? Which is right around the corner. There is no doubt though that the M5 and M6 will be faster in the straight line than an M4. These are interesting times we live in.
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I have learnt my lesson well with the F10 M5. If I am ever gonna get the M4, I will wait for LCI and Comp Pack, which would be less than 2 years after the initial launch.
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I think that could have been 2 minutes long and covered everything. My god, repetitive. Good video though. Still fine that I didn't get CP. For me, he hit the nail on the head, it's a big heavy 4300lb sedan. It's not my track car. No amount of 'CP' is going to make it feel like my M3 does. Now if they had offered it as standard, I wouldn't refuse it, lol
Those CP wheels are growing on me though... I hated them at first, now I think I actually am starting to like them... -J
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10-15-2013, 09:51 AM | #61 |
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Anyone who has been to the Welt in recent months knows that BMW is far ahead in carbon fiber and carbon fiber reinforced plastic technology...
The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not. For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter.
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However, it weighs close to the M5 I believe and yet somehow handles so much better (per the reviews at least). Worse, the Panamera Turbo weighs about the same as the M5 but does not get the negative handling reviews. So while the M5 is weighty, I think the issue is how it is tuned vs. the sheer bulk.
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Im not giving any of the luxury weight up, unless of course bmw does it for me. |
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Betting you see more focus on hydrogen than this. They are HEAVILY invested in it already.
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Ugh I wish I could afford this. Such a beautiful car. I'd have to find out a way to turn off the piped in sound though. That's just wrong.
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