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06-21-2012, 11:22 AM | #67 | |
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for some reason BMW has hated the NA market and the love for MTs, and now they announce it 5 years in the future. seems to me like an F- you america, we are tired catering to your needs. I am sure i am not alone on this. we purchased a v6 cayenne because it's the only SUV that has an MT option. porsche essentially got our money just because of their transmission option. sure the 4.4 X5 is faster and costs the same, but nothing beats being connected to the car with a manual. might as well buy a honda pilot. people buy ferraris because of the car. when ferrari stopped making MTs for their cars, people still bought them because the car itself pushes the boundaries. When BMW stops making MTs for their M series, I can't say that I would still be loyal to purchasing an M5 over a panamera or an AMG. it would just be another super saloon. |
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This, of course, is just a function of the software. It would be just as possible for BMW to program the ZF 8 speed automatic to bounce off of the limiter as well, or as a corollary, to program the Getrag 7 speed DCT to automatically upshift. The point here is that this is not a factor of the transmission technology. Actually, it would be nice if they allowed you to configure this behavior via iDrive for either transmission. Quote:
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The motivation for this announcement may be marketing - get more people interested in ordering the F10 M5 manual by announcing that it's the last generation of the M5 to offer it.
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06-21-2012, 11:53 AM | #71 | |
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Yes, I too don't see the point having a manual tranny on a old-7-series-sized M5. I just don't. |
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06-21-2012, 12:08 PM | #72 |
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exactly. i don't understand why people don't want manuals. It's still so much better!
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06-21-2012, 01:25 PM | #73 |
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With BMW making changes that make their cars more in line with Mercedes and Audi, they need to make their cars that much better or do something to differentiate them. BMW no longer has the advantage with things that we pick BMW for. Unless you're tracking to really take advantage of the chassis, it's hard to pick BMW over Mercedes and Audi.
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06-21-2012, 01:43 PM | #74 |
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it is funny how people hate the manual just because they do not know how to drive it probably..
Why they hell would you say finally for this news!!!! Does it bother you to drive a car that has the option to be ordered in manual?!?!?! Why????
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06-21-2012, 01:55 PM | #76 | |
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What people are saying is M5 doesn't really need a manual tranny both for the car and the driver. BMW is slowly following Ferrari and Lambo's footsteps here, which is always a good thing. |
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06-21-2012, 02:24 PM | #77 |
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Maybe in the past where you could find differentiating factors but now all 3 make cars that are similar to one another.
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06-21-2012, 02:31 PM | #78 |
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Not surprised. While I am a big manual transmission fan (my DDs have always been manuals), the F10 is the size of a small boat (well, OK, at least the size of a E65 7 series!) and the FXX 5 series will likely be even larger. This decision won't affect me as the F80 M3 will be the size of my E39 M5, and that is the largest size car I need. Most enthusiasts who want manuals will be focused on the M versions of the 1 and 3 series (and probably the 2 and 4 series when they arrive).
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I do not see the manual transmission dying out entirely as the lower end of BMW's portfolio ie the main profit makers of the 1er , X1, 3er,X3 and entry 5er models still retaining manuals. Especially entry level diesels.
Manuals are of course a key feature of BMW's EfficientDynamics strategy so manuals contribute to BMW's overall sustainability. A seven-speed manual is in development for the upcoming Premium BMW City hatch which is all about a technological advantage in increasing efficiency. For the upper level cars the manual will be replaced by either DCT or advanced automatic transmissions. Whereas the M models or entry models such as M2 and M3/M4 retain manual transmissions, it is inevitable larger models such as the M5 and M6 will no longer. Even if there was an M7 there would be no manual just as the X5M and X6M justify why they have automatic transmissions. And what is it all down to? It is progress and the conditions of the market. If you take the demographic of enthusiasts against status customers - enthusiasts are the minority it no longer adds up to develop a manual for a minority of customers, it is purely a business decision. The cost of development no longer justifies the return. Or another factor within progress lies Especially when advances in technology within DCT or automatic are becoming more advantageous.
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I have had M5's since 1993 (5 of them and have the F10 due to be delievered to L:A in September) and was dubious when the E60 was only offered in SMG. Yes it is a "pig" in auto but if you drive it like a manual (yes, you can bounce it off the rev limiter) it is just as if not more satisfying than the manual. On the twisty bits it feels every bit as chuckable and and more controlable as a manual and overall the car felt smaller than my E59 I also have moved from manual 911 to PDK and again drive it like a manual - same thing - faster shifts, goes all the way to the redline and a fantastic drive Can't wait for the DCT F10 |
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06-21-2012, 06:17 PM | #82 |
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www.bmwusa.com still shows the Manual Trans as being available as a $0 option on the F10 M5:
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=135G |
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My bad! I got confused by the interior pic in the article -- I thought when they said "next," they were referring to F10 and F12: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/21/n...ntent=FaceBook |
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