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      10-23-2014, 02:30 AM   #1
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What became standard on F30s that werent on E90s?

What became standard that you used to have to pay for an option?
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      10-23-2014, 10:31 AM   #2
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I-Drive, split fold seat, power seats(some other small things, but thats off the top of my head).
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      10-23-2014, 10:50 AM   #3
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Idrive screen!

not sure if Bluetooth was standard on e90?

folding seats.
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I-Drive, split fold seat, power seats(some other small things, but thats off the top of my head).
The power seats and folding seatback are not standard on the 320i.

All this "Lines" stuff makes it harder to compare, too.

Power folding mirrors? Phone BT definitely (was tied to BMW Assist in E9x). Variable boost steering (Servotronic). Auto Tranny (MT now optional zero-cost).
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A lot of things went standard, but the F series doesn't come with great handling unless you get the DHP.
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Better steering was standard before f30
Saddens me what they did to the steering feel
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Bad steering feel is now standard
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Bad steering feel is now standard
LOL
i would not say bad just different.
I hated the steering on my F30 and thats why i got an e92 335 instead.
My gf hates driving my car because she thinks my e92 is really heavy and uncomfortable (she has an F30 )
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I would add that the F30 rides considerably better on rough roads in terms of not having any more "pothole explosions". Also, the F30 base stereo is slightly better than the e90 Hi Fi stereo.

I may as well mention the 328i N20 turbo engine and 8 speed transmission as being light years better than the normally aspirated 6 cylinder in the e90 in every respect (power, speed, gas mileage, 8 speed transmission)-- except for engine and exhaust noise.

The F30 may also be a little bit larger car than the e90.

I love my F30 328i compared to my e90 328i. I love all of the other changes mentioned above

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The power seats and folding seatback are not standard on the 320i.

All this "Lines" stuff makes it harder to compare, too.

Power folding mirrors? Phone BT definitely (was tied to BMW Assist in E9x). Variable boost steering (Servotronic). Auto Tranny (MT now optional zero-cost).
For 2013 when I bought my car, those things were standard as the 320 was not offered at that time.
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steering isn't that light with the newest software update and with all traction off. im quite happy, and i was a previous e90 owner.

But in honestly, cheaper parts are standard on the f30- i hate how light the doors are and even the gas tank screw feels cheap when compared to the e90.
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What became standard that you used to have to pay for an option?
iDrive as standard equipment.
Premium sound system as standard equipment.
HD Radio as standard equipment.
Bluetooth as standard equipment.
BMW Assist as standard equipment.
Instrument cluster with enhanced contents.
Black plastic reduction on the center stack.
Gloss chrome console trim.
Aluminum electronic auto shifter.
Thicker, contoured steering wheel.
Enhanced ambient lighting with red/white option.
Superior cup holders w/tray cover option.
Larger air vents for superior cooling.
Curved instrumentaion surfacing for cockpit feel.
Hidden compartment beneath headlamp switch.
Auto dimming exterior mirrors
Auto dimming rearview mirror
Universal garage door opener
Power seats w/memory
Split & fold down rear seats

And as far as 'value' goes, a 2009 Post-LCI E90 had an MSRP of $33,600. The 2014 F30 has an MSRP of $36,850.

Using an inflation calculator, $33,600 in 2009 is equal to $36,483 in 2013. So that laundry list of standard features and improvements I posted above has a true out-of-pocket real-world incremental cost of $367.

Great job by BMW for adding all these features for almost nothing.
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steering isn't that light with the newest software update and with all traction off. im quite happy, and i was a previous e90 owner.

But in honestly, cheaper parts are standard on the f30- i hate how light the doors are and even the gas tank screw feels cheap when compared to the e90.
I owned an E90 for 3 years prior to my F30 which I've now owned for 3 years. There's nothing cheaper about an F30. The materials are the same.

The F30 is 80% of what the E90 was. The 20% that is different is a big deal:

Torque: The turbo 4 is just a beast, so much faster off the line than the 6 it replaces, really throws you back in your seat.

Power: Once at speed, there's plenty more power to burst past other cars. I'll be driving on the highway completely oblivious to the fact that I'm doing 92 MPH and will have to slow myself down. It's effortless.

Transmission: The 8 speed auto is so much faster and smoother and accurate than the version it replaced. Because you don't have to stomp on the accelerator to get the car to move anymore, the transmission doesn't have to jerk wildly to get from 1st to 2nd to 3rd gear anymore.

Steering: It's lighter and easier. The car weighs less, so the combination of the weight reduction and the torque increase completely transforms how the car drives. It's effortless, requires a lot less effort and thought to get the car to go where you want it.

Experience Modes: This is not just savvy marketing, throwing the switch from Comfort to Sport changes the driving characteristics of the car completely, it feels like two different cars. Sport mode is crazy fun. Comfort mode is easier for the wife and kids stomachs. The E90 had neither. Was not as fun as Sport mode, was not as eased as Comfort mode. This is a big deal, not to be overlooked.

Size: The car has increased in size so there's a bit more shoulder room and rear passenger legroom but it doesn't feel bigger.

Audio System is upgraded. If you have a standard audio system in the E90 you'll be thrilled with the standard audio system in the F30 as it's the "enhanced" system they pay extra for in Europe.

Visibility is better: I find that the A pillar and B pillar location combined with new rear seatback position gives me a better overall view of the road.

It's more quiet: Not sure if it's the sound deadening material or better door seals but the F30 definitely has a more soundproofed cabin.

Interior looks and acts better: This myth about materials and quality you've read is BS. It's the same as the E90. What's different is the layout of the center stack, the integration of the wood and the dash components, the ambient lighting, the new cupholders, the thought that went into the storage compartments.

Great new standard equipment: The auto dimming mirrors, split-folding rear seat, power seats, garage door openers, and other throw-in's really make the experience better.

Technology: iDrive is now standard on all F30's. Nuff said. If you get the Technology Package, the head up display is crazy good and extremely functional.

Un-Bangled: The F30 has more refined sheetmetal, specifically the nose of the car which no longer looks like a Japanese pachinko machine.
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folding seats.
Interesting. My 328 doesn't have folding seats (which I find to be stupid). No comfort access package means no fold down seats.
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Surprised no one mentioned that proximity key is now standard.

Suffering with my 2012 e92 w/o comfort access. What's the point of a start/stop button if I have to stick the key in the dash.
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For 2013 when I bought my car, those things were standard as the 320 was not offered at that time.
The F30 328i did not have those features standard at its MY2012 introduction. It became standard by MY2013 (yours).

If the F30 to compare is the 320i then none of that is standard again. So the latest F30 320i compared with the latest E90 328i offered in the USA (with the Value Package) has these additional standard features:

- 8AT
- iDrive
- Eco/Comfort/Sport settings
- BMW Assist for 10 years
- Bluetooth Audio
- Center speaker

It lost the standard Leather seats (Value Package).
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The F30 328i did not have those features standard at its MY2012 introduction. It became standard by MY2013 (yours).

If the F30 to compare is the 320i then none of that is standard again. So the latest F30 320i compared with the latest E90 328i offered in the USA (with the Value Package) has these additional standard features:

- 8AT
- iDrive
- Eco/Comfort/Sport settings
- BMW Assist for 10 years
- Bluetooth Audio
- Center speaker

It lost the standard Leather seats (Value Package).
+1. More apples to apples.

It also lost hydraulic steering (superior) and IMO the quality of interior materials took a step backward.

Biggest gains were the 8 spd. auto. and standard iDrive screen.
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+1. More apples to apples.

It also lost hydraulic steering (superior) and IMO the quality of interior materials took a step backward.

Biggest gains were the 8 spd. auto. and standard iDrive screen.
The hydraulic steering was not superior; at low speeds the car handled like a truck, I would get arm cramps turning that wheel in a three-point turn.

The 8 speed AT is fantastic, but the 4 cylinder engine and its turbo that makes more horsepower and torque and is faster off the line and at speed and is more fuel conscious is the real winner.

That and the look/feel of the interior which went from school-bus bland to luxury car upscale. The E90 was an awkward transitional car between the E46 (still small and sporty) and the F30 (upsized and refined). The E90 got all the bloat and none of the luxury.
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The hydraulic steering was not superior; at low speeds the car handled like a truck, I would get arm cramps turning that wheel in a three-point turn.

The 8 speed AT is fantastic, but the 4 cylinder engine and its turbo that makes more horsepower and torque and is faster off the line and at speed and is more fuel conscious is the real winner.

That and the look/feel of the interior which went from school-bus bland to luxury car upscale. The E90 was an awkward transitional car between the E46 (still small and sporty) and the F30 (upsized and refined). The E90 got all the bloat and none of the luxury.
I disagree. I much prefer the steering of the E90s I have owned than the F30s I have driven for good chunks of time. Reminds me of the steering of my E39 M5 at low speeds but when I would push the M5 I would get better feedback. The F30 doesn't have that reward IMO. Personally I think it's the weakest part of the power train because I agree that the N20 and 8AT are a match made in heaven. Huge improvements over the 328 E90. Big winner for BMW.

You dont seem to care for the E90 atall. Awkward, bloat, etc. However, I think the E90 was perfectly proportioned, for me at least. It was a gem. Probably why I have owned three (330,335, and currently M3).

I like the driver oriented interior of the F30 and I actually like the iPad like navi screen. The engineering is superb, but I think the cabin materials are a step backward. The upper and lower parts of the dash are my biggest gripes.
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I disagree. I much prefer the steering of the E90s I have owned than the F30s I have driven for good chunks of time. Reminds me of the steering of my E39 M5 at low speeds but when I would push the M5 I would get better feedback. The F30 doesn't have that reward IMO. Personally I think it's the weakest part of the power train because I agree that the N20 and 8AT are a match made in heaven. Huge improvements over the 328 E90. Big winner for BMW.

You dont seem to care for the E90 atall. Awkward, bloat, etc. However, I think the E90 was perfectly proportioned, for me at least. It was a gem. Probably why I have owned three (330,335, and currently M3).

I like the driver oriented interior of the F30 and I actually like the iPad like navi screen. The engineering is superb, but I think the cabin materials are a step backward. The upper and lower parts of the dash are my biggest gripes.
I adored my E90 when I owned it, it's just that the F30 is a leap forward in every way and the nit-picking about "cabin materials" which are the exact same makes E90 owners look needlessly defensive.

BMW moved the car forward, not everyone needs to own an F30 but there's no reason to put it down when it's an all-around better car. It happens with every change in generation. BMW prides themselves on this.
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