Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

[Maverick997]

Ordered from tire rack.....May 5th shipping....have had two sets of PSS and really like them....4s is expected to be good improvement so hope they live up to the reviews.

[smoorebmw]

can somebody please let me know the largest I can go with stock 20's and 12mm spacers in the front and 10mm in the back....i want these tires!!

[LI-M5]

Originally Posted by smoorebmw

can somebody please let me know the largest I can go with stock 20's and 12mm spacers in the front and 10mm in the back....i want these tires!!

w spacers stock sizes w out spacers 305 in back on a comp wheel only i believe someone correct me if im wrong

Neil

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by LI-M5

w spacers stock sizes w out spacers 305 in back on a comp wheel only i believe someone correct me if im wrong

Neil

I ran a 305 drag radial on a stock rim without spacers and I was fine.

This is my old car on a 20" 305 drag radial. No spacer.

[LI-M5]

again correct me if im wrong but the drag's are a narrower tire , i saw a guy runing a 315 on the back w a 343 rim look'd a lil retarted but he did it..

i think i conventional tire mich ps4s4ss4ss4s4 biggest is a 305 ona comp wheel and stock size w a spacer for 343

Neil

[apexlocator]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

I ran a 305 drag radial on a stock rim without spacers and I was fine.

This is my old car on a 20" 305 drag radial. No spacer.

More info on the DR you ran on stock 343? Size/brand? Thanks.

[apexlocator]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

I just ordered 4S for the front and Cup 2 for the rear.
275/35-20
305/30-20

They will be here in 15 days!

Have you run Cup2 before? How many miles do you think it'll last with normal driving?....6-7k miles? (thats about how much my yearly mileage is). I've ruled out R888R on stock 343m, but looking for more traction from a dig. Thanks.

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by apexlocator

Have you run Cup2 before? How many miles do you think it'll last with normal driving?....6-7k miles? (thats about how much my yearly mileage is). I've ruled out R888R on stock 343m, but looking for more traction from a dig. Thanks.

I have not run the Cup 2s before. But yeah, I think one could expect less than 10K miles on a set for sure.

Originally Posted by LI-M5

again correct me if im wrong but the drag's are a narrower tire

Neil

Those particular Nitto 555R 305/35-20 DRs are listed at 12.17" wide vs 305 PSS 12.30" wide. So about an 1/8" inch which is negligible.

[apexlocator]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

I have not run the Cup 2s before. But yeah, I think one could expect less than 10K miles on a set for sure.



Those particular Nitto 555R 305/35-20 DRs are listed at 12.17" wide vs 305 PSS 12.30" wide. So about an 1/8" inch which is negligible.

Thanks. I dont think the 35 sidewall will clear an H&R spring drop unfortunately

[Maverick997]

Looks like Tire rack has stock....mine ship this Monday...2 weeks ahead of quote....

[Padfan9]

Originally Posted by NickBoz

A place I buy my tires from just got a shipment and luckily enough had the size I was looking for on my M5, and were giving me an absolutely crazy deal, will have them installed on Thursday, and I will post a review after driving as time progresses on.

Hopefully they will live up the the hype their given, if it can beat the PSS for what I need, then I would be very surprised...

I have a 16 F10 M5 CP with 630 HP to the wheels, and I'm on the Pirellis that the car came with from factory :

Literally the same situation for me, except I have a 16 m6 with 630whp and mpss and they can't hang! I talked to tire rack for a while today and they said the 4s will be about the same as the mpss. Bridgestone had an RE11 that was amazing before but stopped making them? The only option at this point is the Michelin pilot sport cup 2, they are a lot better and don't sound super loud and aren't heavy like the r888

[Padfan9]

Originally Posted by smoorebmw

can somebody please let me know the largest I can go with stock 20's and 12mm spacers in the front and 10mm in the back....i want these tires!!

Should be 315

[NickBoz]

Originally Posted by Padfan9

Literally the same situation for me, except I have a 16 m6 with 630whp and mpss and they can't hang! I talked to tire rack for a while today and they said the 4s will be about the same as the mpss. Bridgestone had an RE11 that was amazing before but stopped making them? The only option at this point is the Michelin pilot sport cup 2, they are a lot better and don't sound super loud and aren't heavy like the r888

Haha funny to find you on here Brian, glad you're enjoying the m6. If I remember correctly you're running bootmod3? How is it? I've been hearing good things about it

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I have Pilot Sport 4S. Excellent tire. Similar to PSS but more grip.

Stealth what about traction and longevity? Maybe longevity is too soon to be asked but overall compare to lots of experience you have with MPSS how this 4S stands?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by smoorebmw

can somebody please let me know the largest I can go with stock 20's and 12mm spacers in the front and 10mm in the back....i want these tires!!

Stock 343M M5 is 9" wide on front and 10" wide on rear. Manufacturers recommend Max 275 for 9" and 295 for 10"

Stock 343M M6 is 9.5" wide on front and 10.5" wide on rear. Manufacturer recommend Max 285 for 9.5" and 315 for 10.5"

BUT there are tons of threads people installed 305 on stock 343M M5.
So basically you can install those tires but it's not the right thing and you will see side effects such as negative chamber or unusual worn or stress on tire

275/35/20 needs 9-11" wide rim
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

285/35/20 needs 9.5-11" wide rim
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

295/30/20 needs 10-11" wide rim
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes


305/30/20 needs 10.5-11.5" wide rim
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes


315/30/20 needs 10.5-11.5" wide rim
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Stealth what about traction and longevity? Maybe longevity is too soon to be asked but overall compare to lots of experience you have with MPSS how this 4S stands?

I have never had a car long enough to wear out the PSS. My 2014 M5 had about 16k miles when I sold it and was still over 4/32.

Michelin says the PS4S lasts as long or longer than the PSS.

Pirellis last less long, and have less grip. I was at 4/32 on my Pirellis at 9k miles on the Porsche. My Jag also wore the Pirellis fast.

So Pirelli has less grip and less life. Tire rack tests say the same about the new Pirelli PZ4.

[jensputzier]

I have had the PSS on 20" OEM wheels for the first two years and was super content with traction and wear and overall driving experience. I have changed to the 4s for this summer. Can't say anything about wear yet but overall driving experience is similar. The only thing that I notice is that traction is definitely much lower compared to PSS in daily driving situations as the DSC kicks in much more often than before. And I am using the car as my daily driver and I am not pulling off any stunts her. Haven't even used launch control yet.

[Anders R]

Originally Posted by jensputzier

I have had the PSS on 20" OEM wheels for the first two years and was super content with traction and wear and overall driving experience. I have changed to the 4s for this summer. Can't say anything about wear yet but overall driving experience is similar. The only thing that I notice is that traction is definitely much lower compared to PSS in daily driving situations as the DSC kicks in much more often than before. And I am using the car as my daily driver and I am not pulling off any stunts her. Haven't even used launch control yet.

The DSC intervention is even after a breaking in the tyres? That is surprising, if so.