iND/AMS Alpha F10 M5 Tuning Program Testing and Datalogging Update. 1,000+ HP Goal!

[Nate@IND]

Originally Posted by bmwMcrzy

My buddy has a F10 M5 with a eurocharged tune with NO piggyback.

Why is it so difficult to write a tune for the S63tu?

The Eurocharge tune is the press file that everybody already has and you can't remove the top speed limiter or remove the CEL from running catless downpipes. Nobody has been able to break the encryption on the ECU in order to write custom files.

[AlphaAlpineM6]

Originally Posted by bmwMcrzy

My buddy has a F10 M5 with a eurocharged tune with NO piggyback.

Why is it so difficult to write a tune for the S63tu?

As IND has mentioned above the eurocharged tune is in fact a press file that most if not all tuners/ distributers are selling.

I ran against a friends press file "tuned" M5 in my '14 M6, we were dead even. Immediately after I ran against another M5 without the press file I pulled more than 2 car lengths stock v stock.

So the press file does make the car faster.

Reliability is an unknown factor at this point, but I doubt BMW would load a tune that would cause harm to the engine in short-term or longterm.

My first reaction when I ran the tuned car was that he was running a competition package file.. perhaps they're the same file.. only time will tell.

[AlphaAlpineM6]

I wonder how the press tune would react to catless downpipes.

It would have been nice to see IND do more RND on more basic parts before the big turbo kit..

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by AlphaAlpineM6

I wonder how the press tune would react to catless downpipes.

It would have been nice to see IND do more RND on more basic parts before the big turbo kit..

Manhart Racing offers the same tune in several stages:

Note that on the original German text version the description reads "without cats", but on the English text version it says "Sports Kat"...

MHR Stage 1:
620 Hp, 720 Nm

Description:
• MHR Software Remapping

MHR Stage 2:
640 Hp, 760 Nm

Description:
• MHR Software Remapping
• MHR Performance Downpipes (Sport Kats)

MHR Stage 3:
670 Hp, 790 Nm

Description:
• MHR Software Remapping
• MHR Performance Downpipes (Sport Kats)
• MHR Rear Silencer (axleback) without valve control
• MHR Carbon Air Intake System by Gruppe M

MHR Stage 4:
700 Hp, 860 Nm

Description:
• MHR Software Remapping
• MHR Performance Downpipes (Sport-Kats)
• MHR Rear Silencer (axleback) without valve control
• MHR Carbon Air Intake System by Gruppe M
• MHR Performance Box

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by AlphaAlpineM6

As IND has mentioned above the eurocharged tune is in fact a press file that most if not all tuners/ distributers are selling.

I ran against a friends press file "tuned" M5 in my '14 M6, we were dead even. Immediately after I ran against another M5 without the press file I pulled more than 2 car lengths stock v stock.

So the press file does make the car faster.

Reliability is an unknown factor at this point, but I doubt BMW would load a tune that would cause harm to the engine in short-term or longterm.

My first reaction when I ran the tuned car was that he was running a competition package file.. perhaps they're the same file.. only time will tell.

So would the press file "eurocharge" tune trigger codes or anything on a ecu dump if you bricked your car if its basically just a bmw file?

I guess my question really is if you brick you m5 in some way and they ecu dump I'm wondering how easily identifiable it is.

[greentrbo95gst]

So what is the update on the 1000hp build? Is everything on hold due to unbreakable encryption? It's been 2 years since our cars have been out and not a single tuner has been able to do this. Maybe standalone is the answer.

[wisesoul]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

So what is the update on the 1000hp build? Is everything on hold due to unbreakable encryption? It's been 2 years since our cars have been out and not a single tuner has been able to do this. Maybe standalone is the answer.

Not sure standalone is even an option lol, imagine the wiring and electronics associated to that! Don't think I'd trust a standalone tuning the valvetronic in our motors. Definitely for race cars/ high(er) hp motors. I'm also curious on the updates

[rlsl]

So... cracking an iphone is easier than ecu?

[bm5bullit]

Originally Posted by rlsl

So... cracking an iphone is easier than ecu?

Apparently closer to cracking the Wall Street Banker codes and regulations.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by rlsl

So... cracking an iphone is easier than ecu?

As it logically should be as well... The M5 is 1000 times more valuable than a iPhone and consequences of tampering with the DME in the M5 are far more serious than cracking an iPhone...

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by AlphaAlpineM6

As IND has mentioned above the eurocharged tune is in fact a press file that most if not all tuners/ distributers are selling.

I ran against a friends press file "tuned" M5 in my '14 M6, we were dead even. Immediately after I ran against another M5 without the press file I pulled more than 2 car lengths stock v stock.

So the press file does make the car faster.

Reliability is an unknown factor at this point, but I doubt BMW would load a tune that would cause harm to the engine in short-term or longterm.

My first reaction when I ran the tuned car was that he was running a competition package file.. perhaps they're the same file.. only time will tell.

Have you tried or ran a JB4 stage one car. I just saw an M6 running an 11.4 roasting the tires.

[JoeyLeeBMW]

This is truly an amazing build by iND!

Hats off to you guys taking the BMW industry to whole another level!

SUBSCRIBED!

[wisesoul]

Originally Posted by Joey.Lee@AlexanderBMW.com

This is truly an amazing build by iND!

Hats off to you guys taking the BMW industry to whole another level!

SUBSCRIBED!

Joey Lee? From Roll Models and Ktown? Lol must be a coincidence. If it is you, you make some quality entertainment Didn't know you had an F10 M5, good stuff

[ImpetuousRacer]

Originally Posted by Boss330

As it logically should be as well... The M5 is 1000 times more valuable than a iPhone and consequences of tampering with the DME in the M5 are far more serious than cracking an iPhone...

I think if you had GeoHot sit down and really try to make it happen on the ECU, he could.

A team of hacking professionals worked around 6 years without any progress on the Sony PS3, George Holtz accomplished it single handedly in 5 weeks. He also jailbroke the iphone at 16. It just takes the right person. Is the incentive there for the right person to do it?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by ImpetuousRacer

I think if you had GeoHot sit down and really try to make it happen on the ECU, he could.

A team of hacking professionals worked around 6 years without any progress on the Sony PS3, George Holtz accomplished it single handedly in 5 weeks. He also jailbroke the iphone at 16. It just takes the right person. Is the incentive there for the right person to do it?

I think you are right on the spot with your comment that it takes the right person. Sometimes one guy can do what a big organisation can't....

[6spdterror]

Subscribed!!!

[rlsl]

Are you guys anywhere close? I am sure I am not the only who checks this thread a few times a day...

[Spinny02]

+1

Originally Posted by rlsl

Are you guys anywhere close? I am sure I am not the only who checks this thread a few times a day...

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by rlsl

Are you guys anywhere close? I am sure I am not the only who checks this thread a few times a day...

Everyday I check these threads lmao..

[Nate@IND]

Still stuck on tuning hardware is complete and ready to go.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by Nate@IND

Still stuck on tuning hardware is complete and ready to go.

That's a shame. Guy isn't doing his job well, right?

[Nate@IND]

Originally Posted by Soorena

That's a shame. Guy isn't doing his job well, right?

We have a new contact in Germany. I will have the ECU's shipped out next week to them.