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      08-24-2016, 02:48 PM   #1
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Ess stage 1

i have Ess stage 1 plus jb4 + bcm,have experienced sudden loss of power
and during a half mile run flash codes due to torque management issues. Ess states
the problem is the flash competing with the jb4,are other people running ecu flash plus
jb4 having similar issues?
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i have Ess stage 1 plus jb4 + bcm,have experienced sudden loss of power
and during a half mile run flash codes due to torque management issues. Ess states
the problem is the flash competing with the jb4,are other people running ecu flash plus
jb4 having similar issues?
Is it only redline 4th gear going into 5th?
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      08-24-2016, 03:59 PM   #3
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the loss of power occurs sporadically,the fault codes appeared after half mile runs at full throttle
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Is it only redline 4th gear going into 5th?
mine occurs in redline at 4th, do you have intel as to why this happens? (no other mods)
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      08-24-2016, 07:07 PM   #5
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From what I read Ess has a Stage 1 software with full ecu control and a backened flash to use with jb4 + bcm.Does anybody know which will give more power? Also how to run meth without jb4 ( i run it in map 8)if i remove the jb4?
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Remove the jb4 and see if yours problems go away. From my experience the jb4s (piggybacks) can cause problems. The car will run better with just the flash.

Why are you running meth? Do you have stage 2 turbos?
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no i have the stock turbos,i had the piggyback before the ecu flash and the meth did give me about 100hp more in the dyno
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      08-25-2016, 12:12 AM   #8
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Had similar 4thgear issues and got it resolved with a different backend tune Lalit@autocouture
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      08-25-2016, 02:44 PM   #9
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Read the fault codes. Also be aware the JB4 has its own internal safety systems and will disable itself if boost is over your safety setting, AFR lean, etc.

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The fault codes were all related to torque management issues ESS refers that their Stage 1 doesnt work with the jb4 ,i will run without the jb4 to see how car feels and try to find out if the full ecu flash is better than a backend flash with the jb4 plus bcm
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The fault codes were all related to torque management issues ESS refers that their Stage 1 doesnt work with the jb4 ,i will run without the jb4 to see how car feels and try to find out if the full ecu flash is better than a backend flash with the jb4 plus bcm
It doesn't sound like your tune is a backend flash to support the JB4 but rather a stand alone tune. If this is I fact a stand alone tune, I would definitely expect that you will have issues as the tune is not accounting for that.

If ESS doesn't have a back end tune, reach out to DME or ACM. They have had great success with stacking the tune and Jb4. It's called a backend flash.
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Can you please read the codes? I might know the issue for this one
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actually panhe and myself were having the same issues...and here are some of the codes recorded...
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It doesn't sound like your tune is a backend flash to support the JB4 but rather a stand alone tune. If this is I fact a stand alone tune, I would definitely expect that you will have issues as the tune is not accounting for that.

If ESS doesn't have a back end tune, reach out to DME or ACM. They have had great success with stacking the tune and Jb4. It's called a backend flash.
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I disconnected the Jb4 and the car runs much better,no power loss,smoother,less fuel consumption ,my local
shop is trying to work it out with ESS because I understand they listed all my mods including my JB4 + BCM to ESS for me and my friend here DrM5 which had the same issues and fault codes as me.ESS should have offered the backend flash only instead of the full ECU flash knowing about the use of JB4.Local tuner says much more power to be made with the jb4 and the backend flash so I want to switch to that
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I disconnected the Jb4 and the car runs much better,no power loss,smoother,less fuel consumption ,my local
shop is trying to work it out with ESS because I understand they listed all my mods including my JB4 + BCM to ESS for me and my friend here DrM5 which had the same issues and fault codes as me.ESS should have offered the backend flash only instead of the full ECU flash knowing about the use of JB4.Local tuner says much more power to be made with the jb4 and the backend flash so I want to switch to that
Not really. On a stage 3 tune I'm at close to the maximum on stock clutch and stock turbos. I would only go for a stack if I had plans to push my car well up into the 800 whp range, else I would just load a more agressive tune and be done with it.
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What stage 3 are u running Mcars fan?
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Not really. On a stage 3 tune I'm at close to the maximum on stock clutch and stock turbos. I would only go for a stack if I had plans to push my car well up into the 800 whp range, else I would just load a more agressive tune and be done with it.
But they already have JB4+BCM so they'll lose the ability to log their car and see how its running and other features you dont get with full flash.

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What stage 3 are u running Mcars fan?
Workout with ESS to get your Backend Flash since you have JB4/BCM already.

If issues doesn't get resolved look at boots thread and MissionPerformance on here with proven power on dyno.
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What stage 3 are u running Mcars fan?
DME Tuning is what he is running .
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I disconnected the Jb4 and the car runs much better,no power loss,smoother,less fuel consumption ,my local
shop is trying to work it out with ESS because I understand they listed all my mods including my JB4 + BCM to ESS for me and my friend here DrM5 which had the same issues and fault codes as me.ESS should have offered the backend flash only instead of the full ECU flash knowing about the use of JB4.Local tuner says much more power to be made with the jb4 and the backend flash so I want to switch to that
Like others have mentioned, if ESS can get you a backend flash, I'd say stick with the JB4 setup and I only say that because of the added benefits it has as well as the long term opportunities if you decide to push the limits.

If you want to get rid of it, depending on your location, there are several options as others have stated. DME Tuning, Mission Performance, BPM, and HCP
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I disconnected the Jb4 and the car runs much better,no power loss,smoother,less fuel consumption ,my local
shop is trying to work it out with ESS because I understand they listed all my mods including my JB4 + BCM to ESS for me and my friend here DrM5 which had the same issues and fault codes as me.ESS should have offered the backend flash only instead of the full ECU flash knowing about the use of JB4.Local tuner says much more power to be made with the jb4 and the backend flash so I want to switch to that
Like others have mentioned, if ESS can get you a backend flash, I'd say stick with the JB4 setup and I only say that because of the added benefits it has as well as the long term opportunities if you decide to push the limits.

If you want to get rid of it, depending on your location, there are several options as others have stated. DME Tuning, Mission Performance, BPM, and HCP
Yes I agree.. Go with a tuner near you with a good rep. Im sure there are some great options for you in SoCal.
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I disconnected the Jb4 and the car runs much better,no power loss,smoother,less fuel consumption ,my local
shop is trying to work it out with ESS because I understand they listed all my mods including my JB4 + BCM to ESS for me and my friend here DrM5 which had the same issues and fault codes as me.ESS should have offered the backend flash only instead of the full ECU flash knowing about the use of JB4.Local tuner says much more power to be made with the jb4 and the backend flash so I want to switch to that
Like others have mentioned, if ESS can get you a backend flash, I'd say stick with the JB4 setup and I only say that because of the added benefits it has as well as the long term opportunities if you decide to push the limits.

If you want to get rid of it, depending on your location, there are several options as others have stated. DME Tuning, Mission Performance, BPM, and HCP
Yes I agree.. Go with a tuner near you with a good rep. Im sure there are some great options for you in SoCal.
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