With a heavy heart again I depart...bye bye 12C...Hello 650S :-)

[Hoopumpers]

Originally Posted by clar

It's important to recognize that whether we lap or get lapped on tracks does not necessary reflect the actual performance of the cars. It could be due to varying driving skills or intent of the drivers. There is probably not much separating a 12C from a 991 GT3 if both driven well. The only time the 12C is much quicker is on a high speed circuit.

Well obviously, but it's still fun to gloat a little

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

Well obviously, but it's still fun to gloat a little

lol! Agreed!

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

Mike, I tracked the 12C yesterday. It doesn't love high heat, but lapped everything out there, including two 991 GT3s.

I also drove the Huracan on track. I have to say, I was very impressed. Comfortable and yet still emotive and very very fast. I think you should explore that as your next sunk cost

Oh, and the aventador is a fat pig. A beautiful, fast, fat pig.

One day I will have the guts to do it Rob! Right now I am chicken sh**. Don't want to hurt it.

I canceled my Huracan. It is really a great driving car but the MAC is so much more connected feeling to me. Mostly the steering feels a bit too numb for my taste. What did you think of it?

Lol about the Aventador She is one sexy big girl.

[Hoopumpers]

Cracked me up. They put the aventador out on an autocross course. WTF? Like turning a brick.

I though the steering in the Huracan was fine. Not as sharp as a Mac or GT3, agreed.

The problem with the Mac on track is the software intervention. Sure, it's fast, but I want to rotate the car and be in control of the results. The Mac doesn't particularly like that. The suspension in track mode really is pretty astonishing for a factory road car. So very very planted.

[Schnell_1]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

Cracked me up. They put the aventador out on an autocross course. WTF? Like turning a brick.

I though the steering in the Huracan was fine. Not as sharp as a Mac or GT3, agreed.

The problem with the Mac on track is the software intervention. Sure, it's fast, but I want to rotate the car and be in control of the results. The Mac doesn't particularly like that. The suspension in track mode really is pretty astonishing for a factory road car. So very very planted.

Can't you deactivate all software intervention by pressing the "activate" button and then holding the two buttons above it for 10 seconds? Or are you saying even in "raw" mode there is still intervention?

[Niko1414]

Originally Posted by Schnell_1

Can't you deactivate all software intervention by pressing the "activate" button and then holding the two buttons above it for 10 seconds? Or are you saying even in "raw" mode there is still intervention?

Insane mode in the 12c

Start engine foot on brake
Track/Track mode
Hold active for five seconds
When you get the esc off message, it's the first of two such messages. Then hold two buttons down simultaneously, aero and manual. Wait for a second message, and you're ready. No locking diff so heavens knows what happens next.....

[Hoopumpers]

Yeah. Playstation code supposedly turns off everything. Have you pushed it while in that mode Niko? I've read that it bites. Rarely am I scared of a car without nannies, but the Mac isn't all that linear. Lift off throttle oversteer could be extreme. I need a nice open location to test it out.

BTW - 650S (back to OP topic) is supposed to allow more slip angle in track mode before intervention. Would love to test that out Mike. How about I fly down and take you to your first track day

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

Yeah. Playstation code supposedly turns off everything. Have you pushed it while in that mode Niko? I've read that it bites. Rarely am I scared of a car without nannies, but the Mac isn't all that linear. Lift off throttle oversteer could be extreme. I need a nice open location to test it out.

BTW - 650S (back to OP topic) is supposed to allow more slip angle in track mode before intervention. Would love to test that out Mike. How about I fly down and take you to your first track day

Perfect Rob! Just what I was thinking. "He can fly in and show me how to slide my car around the track!"

I applaud the effort though. You don't get if you don't ask!

[Hoopumpers]

[ColdList]

Well I am having a few nagging issues Rob. Maybe I should just go and track it-lol!

[Hoopumpers]

You should definitely track it! I have a much better understanding, trust and appreciation of the car after a full day pushing it harder and harder. It takes time to really feel this thing out - more so than other cars I've driven/tracked.

What's nagging at you?

[DrKevM5]

ColdList, you're my hero

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

You should definitely track it! I have a much better understanding, trust and appreciation of the car after a full day pushing it harder and harder. It takes time to really feel this thing out - more so than other cars I've driven/tracked.

What's nagging at you?

I'll shoot you a PM later. LOTS of small things but WAY too many of them.

[M5Rlz]

Coldlist and Vic embarrass my collection swapping

[FLOMACKS]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Actually I was suppose to go to Road Atlanta last Friday got stuck in N.Y. I will go, Cold is fast but still needs to drive it(: He drives for show ........GT3 arrives on the 26th.

Ran out there last weekend. Great weather. Gotta say- the C2S is pretty solid out there with street tires and my half assed driving skills. Mid pack- group 3. A couple new GT3's out there, but they were in group 4- didn't get to chase after them.

The drivers were still trying to dial them in all weekend, adjusting tire pressures during their sessions. maybe they just like the trackside experience...

You two get out there, you're lapping the field twice.

I love that track!

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by FLOMACKS

Ran out there last weekend. Great weather. Gotta say- the C2S is pretty solid out there with street tires and my half assed driving skills. Mid pack- group 3. A couple new GT3's out there, but they were in group 4- didn't get to chase after them.

The drivers were still trying to dial them in all weekend, adjusting tire pressures during their sessions. maybe they just like the trackside experience...

You two get out there, you're lapping the field twice.

I love that track!

Nice. I say we all head out there. The GT3 is at the dock in Bruinwick waiting for transport to Hennessay. They have 7 arriving, and Jim Ellis has zero I find that interesting. Looks like Hennessay is the Porsche king in GA.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by FLOMACKS

Ran out there last weekend. Great weather. Gotta say- the C2S is pretty solid out there with street tires and my half assed driving skills. Mid pack- group 3. A couple new GT3's out there, but they were in group 4- didn't get to chase after them.

The drivers were still trying to dial them in all weekend, adjusting tire pressures during their sessions. maybe they just like the trackside experience...

You two get out there, you're lapping the field twice.

I love that track!

I think that even never having driven on a track before, and even knowing that I will quickly realize that I don't know how to drive once I get out there, that I will still beat Bimmer6 handily!

[Bimmer6]

Sorry dude been to track school and certified to drive! Wet track drifting, and hard surface. You're certified driving to Kroger(:

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by ColdList

I think that even never having driven on a track before, and even knowing that I will quickly realize that I don't know how to drive once I get out there, that I will still beat Bimmer6 handily!

I'm betting on you! or rather on McLaren!

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Sorry dude been to track school and certified to drive! Wet track drifting, and hard surface. You're certified driving to Kroger(:

LOL!

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Sorry dude been to track school and certified to drive! Wet track drifting, and hard surface. You're certified driving to Kroger(:

One day at BMW driving school and he thinks he's Paul Tracy. "Certified to drive"-lol

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I'm betting on you! or rather on McLaren!

Trust me. You should.

[Vic55]

Ill bet on Henry with the less powerful but easier to drive car--- its also track dependant; how long are the straights, how many curves, etc. I just posted a vid of the 650S vs the Speciale vs the GT3 and the Speciale was considered the best with the 650S barely edging out the GT3. Food for thought: