New 2016 Turbo S unveiled with 580hp.

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by Vic55

You can find my thread here about the car--- or just do youtube search for some of the test vids. While the testers are more involved (like Pobst)- my feelings echo theirs when it comes to balance, handling, steering, power, and even looks.

20k off is on NON LCI (as I mentioned)... the changes will make the LCI prices less flexible.

Missed the LCI part, I've always thought the AMG looks really sharp. I just need to drive one to experience the rest.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Henry, you are retired = you win.

Ha don't listen to Mike bro still working, but I could(: Only 46 so I need to stay busy is what they keep telling me. I still will trade you because I never say it's only money.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I'm in a different boat- I'm gonna get a 2016 Turbo S (non lci) for about 20k off msrp and then mod it with Cobb and catless exhaust for another 100 hp; drive the shit out of her. Then Ill get a LCI Turbo S. Its only money.

I have realized more than ever, for me, that I want a driver that's all purpose. The GT3 was amazing but it didn't fit my needs as time went on but the AMG GTS is definitely that car that I love. Its all subjective though and others' opinions will vary. The GTS clearly has won over the mag testers and has done well in many challenges. Tune it and sit back and feel your back carve the seat.

I'm setup to test drive one next week, non LCI 2015 with 6k miles.. Need AWD for the winter lmao

I think the savings on a non-lci+mods is a better deal than buying brand new.. S model definitely has a big crack right off the top then holds to about 20k miles in the mid 100s than another drop into the 90-80k range till like 60k miles lol

Will report back what I think, but defiantly excited to see what it offers.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I'm setup to test drive one next week, non LCI 2015 with 6k miles.. Need AWD for the winter lmao

I think the savings on a non-lci+mods is a better deal than buying brand new.. S model definitely has a big crack right off the top then holds to about 20k miles in the mid 100s than another drop into the 90-80k range till like 60k miles lol

Will report back what I think, but defiantly excited to see what it offers.

Goes without saying but don't drive your GTR to the test drive LOL

You will find the launches, via launch control, to be incredible and repeatable at an unbelievably quantifiable number. The AWD system does drag it as the speeds exceed 125 mph. But Cobb and a catless exhaust at 91 piss octane yields about 100 hp and 140 tq AWD BHP.

Its just a great daily driver, that rips, turns, and you can park it anywhere because its not an "event" like an F car or a Lambo LOL.

[gmd2003]

Porsche just listed the 0-200km time as 9.9 seconds .... That's .9 faster than the current 991 Turbo S . That's a shit ton faster up top than the current car given the 0-60 is only .1 faster . Hmm that and the 198-205mph top speed increase meshes but neither of them do with only a 20 hp increase unless there is a significant AUC and gearing change . Porsche doesn't usually bs acc numbers so it appears the 991.2 is a big step up acc wise .

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Porsche just listed the 0-200km time as 9.9 seconds .... That's .9 faster than the current 991 Turbo S . That's a shit ton faster up top than the current car given the 0-60 is only .1 faster . Hmm that and the 198-205mph top speed increase meshes but neither of them do with only a 20 hp increase unless there is a significant AUC and gearing change . Porsche doesn't usually bs acc numbers so it appears the 991.2 is a big step up acc wise .

The current 991 (2015) is tested 9.6 second (0-200 km/h)
http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911274

That's why I always say don't rely on manufacturer numbers. The same as M6 when BMW claims 0-60 in 4.1 second which is totally BS...

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

The current 991 (2015) is tested 9.6 second (0-200 km/h)
http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911274

That's why I always say don't rely on manufacturer numbers. The same as M6 when BMW claims 0-60 in 4.1 second which is totally BS...

I think gmd2003 point was manufacturer vs manufacturer the 991.2 TT-s is much faster. (apples to apples)

To your point, in the real world the builder numbers are slower so based on this theory I would assume the same with the new 991.2 TT-s.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think gmd2003 point was manufacturer vs manufacturer the 991.2 TT-s is much faster. (apples to apples)

To your point, in the real world the builder numbers are slower so based on this theory I would assume the same with the new 991.2 TT-s.

Correct if they are saying it's faster then it's faster . Porsche never under delivers on its claims. Those car and driver numbers are with correction factors applied FYI . 10.6@130 mph and the 9.6 to 200 is what it ran in that test WITH a correction factor applied to both ET and trap speed . Needless to say those are an order of magnitude faster than any other test period . I wouldn't quote them as representative of the 991.1 performance . I don't pay attention to Car and Driver numbers anymore bc they do that lol .

[wujekwaldus]

Performance depends on many conditions.
The same 991.1 Turbo S can do 10.5s 0-200km/h and next day can do 9.6s 0-200km/h.
Temperature, altitude, humidity, wind speed and direction, tyres, road type etc. All of these can make better of worse performance figures.

I think 991.2 Turbo S, will be a Monster. Not only from standing still, but also from roll. (official porsche data gives 7.0 seconds 100-200km/h) but i think it will be around flat 6s.

It can be a difficult choice between new R8 V10 Plus and 991.2 TS. R8 looks more exotic... Today, Porsche is not as unique as eg: 10-20 years ago...

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Goes without saying but don't drive your GTR to the test drive LOL

You will find the launches, via launch control, to be incredible and repeatable at an unbelievably quantifiable number. The AWD system does drag it as the speeds exceed 125 mph. But Cobb and a catless exhaust at 91 piss octane yields about 100 hp and 140 tq AWD BHP.

Its just a great daily driver, that rips, turns, and you can park it anywhere because its not an "event" like an F car or a Lambo LOL.

Yeah definitely its kinda like the M5 around here it just seamlessly blends in with everything else and only someone really in the know or paying attention would care vs. say a 430 with like 70,000 miles have people following you.

[wrsbmw]

Looks like 0-120mph in 9s, 0-60mph in 2.8s, 0-100mph in 6.4s and 60-130 in 7.7s. The quarter mile was 10.56s @ 130.9mph.

This is Vbox data so ETs are OK, trap speed probably 2-3mph low based on comparisons with lot's of drag slips taken here in Texas. I have other 60-130 times from Vbox data taken at SAR last month that were 7.47s but quarter mile ET was 10.63 and trap was 134.97 on a mix of 104 and 93 while the data in this run was taken using 93 only.

My car is on ByDesign/Cobb Stage 3 soon to be decatted and upped to Stage 3+. LCI cars will not get tunes for a few months based on the improvements in performance noted in the magazine articles. Changes in ECU and other components will require new tunes and tuners buying the new car to experiment with. If you want to modify one of these your best bet is a used 2014, 2015 or as Vic has done, get a new 991.1 2016 instead of a 991.2. There are already bigger turbo solutions available so there should be sub 10s 991tts times reported in the next month or so.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by wujekwaldus

Performance depends on many conditions.
The same 991.1 Turbo S can do 10.5s 0-200km/h and next day can do 9.6s 0-200km/h.
Temperature, altitude, humidity, wind speed and direction, tyres, road type etc. All of these can make better of worse performance figures.

I think 991.2 Turbo S, will be a Monster. Not only from standing still, but also from roll. (official porsche data gives 7.0 seconds 100-200km/h) but i think it will be around flat 6s.

It can be a difficult choice between new R8 V10 Plus and 991.2 TS. R8 looks more exotic... Today, Porsche is not as unique as eg: 10-20 years ago...

If I was buying new, I would easily pick the R8 V10 Plus over the TTS. R8 is a much more exclusive club, and it will hold value better too.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think gmd2003 point was manufacturer vs manufacturer the 991.2 TT-s is much faster. (apples to apples)

To your point, in the real world the builder numbers are slower so based on this theory I would assume the same with the new 991.2 TT-s.

Not sure where he found those numbers but if the new one (2016) is listed 9.9 and the old one listed 0.9 sec slower (10.8 second) then real world showed 9.6 second means 1.2 second difference between the manufacturer claim and real world of 991? looks too much to me. I guess the 991 was claimed 10.3 second ... at least here says that
http://www.dragtimes.ru/en/blogs/view/49

So basically the new one with 9.9 second is 0.4 second faster (apple to apple)

[clar]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Or Plan C a low mileage MP4

It's called a 12C. MP4 is a fax machine.

[M5essex]

or one of these...

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/car/mclaren-mp4-x/

[FLOMACKS]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

If I was buying new, I would easily pick the R8 V10 Plus over the TTS. R8 is a much more exclusive club, and it will hold value better too.

Or the 570...

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

If I was buying new, I would easily pick the R8 V10 Plus over the TTS. R8 is a much more exclusive club, and it will hold value better too.

yes maybe so, but the R8 is still only a 2 seater.... turbo S is a 'family' car and quicker, 20k miles between services, unbreakable engine, unlimited launches...

new R8 also hasn't received the best reviews over here since launched recently and when compared with the 911 tts, F-type and Mac 570s, it came last in the group. mac coming out on top...

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by clar

It's called a 12C. MP4 is a fax machine.

LOL or a video format file ahhaah

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M5essex

yes maybe so, but the R8 is still only a 2 seater.... turbo S is a 'family' car and quicker, 20k miles between services, unbreakable engine, unlimited launches...

new R8 also hasn't received the best reviews over here since launched recently and when compared with the 911 tts, F-type and Mac 570s, it came last in the group. mac coming out on top...

I would still take the new 2016 R8 over any of the competition. The thing that I most love about the new R8 is that they kept the same headers that are used on the Lambo Huracan, but the R8 has a different quieter exhaust than the Huracan. This simply means that one needs to change the exhaust on the new R8 to get a Lamborghini sound. As opposed to the 1st generation R8 where Audi put different headers than what was used on the Gallardo engine. Making getting that true exotic sound a real pain in the ass, because you need to pull the engine in order to change out the headers. But still even with the new R8's stock exhaust you can really hear that Lamborghini sound in videos, it's just not as loud as the Huracan's stock exhaust. No 570S, 2016 Turbo S, or dare I even say F-type R will sound as good as the new R8. Ok, well actually leave the F-Type R out of this, it's in a league of its own. Lol! Then again, no-one buys a TTS for its sound.

Listen for yourself.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I would still take the new 2016 R8 over any of the competition. The thing that I most love about the new R8 is that they kept the same headers that are used on the Lambo Huracan, but the R8 has a different quieter exhaust than the Huracan. This simply means that one needs to change the exhaust on the new R8 to get a Lamborghini sound. As opposed to the 1st generation R8 where Audi put different headers than what was used on the Gallardo engine. Making getting that true exotic sound a real pain in the ass, because you need to pull the engine in order to change out the headers. But still even with the new R8's stock exhaust you can really hear that Lamborghini sound in videos, it's just not as loud as the Huracan's stock exhaust. No 570S, 2016 Turbo S, or dare I even say F-type R will sound as good as the new R8. Ok, well actually leave the F-Type R out of this, it's in a league of its own. Lol! Then again, no-one buys a TTS for its sound.

Listen for yourself.

Dave I think this car will be amazing. Yes I have the more exotic variation but the R8 can be a daily driver with V10 sound which the Turbo S and others cant match (albeit faster).

Dave what do you think of the Bentley GT3R? I know its in a different segment but its piqued my interest? This video made me laugh:

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by M5essex

yes maybe so, but the R8 is still only a 2 seater.... turbo S is a 'family' car and quicker, 20k miles between services, unbreakable engine, unlimited launches...

new R8 also hasn't received the best reviews over here since launched recently and when compared with the 911 tts, F-type and Mac 570s, it came last in the group. mac coming out on top...

i wouldnt let my engine suffer for 20k miles with same engine oil, when you can do stupid amount of launches on daily basis and drive the shit out of it
i stick to 3-4k miles in between oil changes, but there are debates about it on forum anyway, so lets not go that way

if i had to buy 2nd car, i would probably go with r8, just because of NA V10, if i had to own 1 and only car, TTS all day

[Lalit@autocouture]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Dave I think this car will be amazing. Yes I have the more exotic variation but the R8 can be a daily driver with V10 sound which the Turbo S and others cant match (albeit faster).

Dave what do you think of the Bentley GT3R? I know its in a different segment but its piqued my interest? This video made me laugh:

We've actually tuned 2 of the 99 GT3R's which came to the US. While it looks and sounds (Akrapovic from factory) incredible, it's still a 4800lb boat IMO