Mission Performance: New to forums, not new to the industry (MAP calibration inside)

[MissionPerformance]

You guys might not have heard much about us in the past due to the fact that we have never been active on forums but its time for us to join in and provide BMW world with much needed tuning/reflash support. We have spent many years in BMW industry behind the scenes, building many unique and fun projects. Our involvement with BMWs has began with E39 chassis for which we built a twin-screw supercharger setup for the 540i. Since than we have progressed to building few S62 E39 tourings (once of those was featured at recent BimmerFest). Since then, we have moved on to Fxx chassis and performed word's first successful conversion of RWD 328D F31 touring and currently entertaining an idea of building a S55 (or even N63tu) powered F31.

Well, enough of past projects and time to say why we are here now. While working on the projects in the past, we noticed that BMW performance tuning world is dominated by few old-timer companies delivering very similar product. Those companies for sure have earned your trust since they have been around for a long time, but because of their long-term involvement in this industry, they don't have desire nor need to building new solutions and ideas. This is where we come into play. Making extra power on the new Fxx platform is no brainier and even an amateur tuner can get some gains, but what sets us apart from everyone is a concern for longevity, safety and innovation.

We have seen impressive power gains on S63 and S55 platforms in the past using custom software re-flashes and tuning boxes. Being around high powered engines for a while has taught us one thing: A proper engine calibration software is the only option when it comes to reliability. Since Fxx chassis is a relatively easy platform to make decent power on, few companies decided to do what Japanese imports have been doing for many years, and that is using tuning boxes to trick signals to the ECU. Tricking a computer of $60k+ car using a $300 tuning box just doesn't seem right to us. Companies can state that the tuning boxes are 100% safe, but that is just not true. What is true is that for optimal reliability and drive-ability, a proper designed software calibration is the only right choice and no one can deny that. Since this is a given fact, then why do a lot of high powered Fxx still use tuning boxes? Well the answer is really simple: most tuners are satisfied with their profits and just do not feel the need to spend time and money into further research and development. This leaves tuning support half finished for general public and completely unacceptable for those individuals that push their engines to the limits.

Tuning boxes have 2 advantages over a software re-flashes: A) ability to use higher rated MAP sensors B) Ability to implement meth injection. MAP sensor limits have shown to be a huge issues when it comes to proper calibration and we have seen that with quite a few cars tuned by few USA and abroad companies. We have witnessed medium powered S63s and N63tus hitting the MAP limits at 4-5K rpm. And then what? How can you build and sell a performance tune that is already maxing out your sensor at mid-rpms. Well, in our opinion you can't do that and this is why we have never offered for sale our software re-flashes until we figured out the solution to this problem. Our solution is a custom software calibration for a 3 and 3.5 bar MAP sensors paired with a plug and play sensor that we are rolling out within next month. This makes us the only tuner in the industry (until the point when others copy our re-flash) to be able to safely pass the 2.5 and 3bar limits and offer a reliable and well calibrated software for all of our customers that go with stage 2+ packages.

We believe that when a customer purchases a re-flash for their cars, every function should work as intended. At this moment, no other tuner has been able to properly re-flash S63 or N63tu, calibrating the Sports Display to show the actual torque and HP numbers. It might seem like a small deal to some, but to us this is a major concern. Sport display receives the proper data from internal torque model. If the sport display is saying you are making a "stock" amount of torque while dyno is showing 15% increase, well then we know something is wrong with a tune and torque model. In addition to this, quite few computer functions depend on this torque model (including AC and charging system) and proper calibration is a Key to a long lasting platform. Yes it takes a lot of time and resources to properly build a tune, but this is what sets us apart. We do not rush development and release generic software but instead perfect everything and only then make it public.


Future plans for all of you high powered customers: We know that a lot of you chose tuning boxes as they allow you to run integrated methanol injection. Well, this is all about to end as we are starting development for factory-integrated methanol injection using a plug and play harness for BMW factory ECU. That means that we are building complete calibration and program from scratch for pretty much all Fxx vehicles that will allow us to do just this. This is something that has not been attempted before as the R&D costs are phenomenal but having in-house engineers makes it all possible for us.


OBD/End User Flashing: There has been a lot of talk over the last year of OBD flashing release, but no actual release date. That is because such support will not be possible anytime soon. Back in E90/E60 day, tuners got very lucky as their cars had backdoors to flashing function of processor that allowed for un-authorized software to be loaded onto a car. That has all changed with late production TC1796 and introduction of TC1797 processors. Since BMW switched to this new processor line, the backdoor has been closed and only factory signed software can be used on the vehicle. After many months of research of this system, we have been successful of flashing partial data over OBD. The partial data is better then nothing, but in the end of the day it is still not something that we can use. The only way to properly flash Fxx over OBD is to have the master RSA key for the bootloader. Its not possible to brute force crack this key (its possible but would take a very very long time) and it can not be extracted as computer only has public key, not the private "master" one. So at this point on, do not count on having OBD support any time soon. It might happen, but probably not any time soon. Without the backdoor, the only way this will happen is if someone wants to spend good money (and by that I mean very good money) and obtain the mater RSA key for boot loader encryption.

Due to this dilemma, we have been forced to abandon OBD flashing research and instead built our own M-Boot option. M-Boot was developed by Mission Performance as an additional solution for all of our returning customers that either want to upgrade performance stage or "temporary" go back to stock for a dealer visit. Since M-Boot is a custom written bootloader for the Fxx chassis, there is no additional chip/hardware needed to be added to the ECU. In addition of having the ability of re-flashing the computer without sending it into our offices, M-Boot offers one very unique feature that no other company can offer at this point. After installation of M-Boot, your engine computer will never need to be updated at the dealer. That means that to the dealership, your engine computer will always show as up-to-date, factory original and in most cases, your tuned computer will not get reflashed to factory state. If for some reason dealership over-writes our M-Boot, we will reinstall the previous calibration for free.

On-Site flashing for Group Buys: We understand that to many customers, sending in your computer might not be an ideal solution. For those individuals, we are doing something that no other companies are offering as well. We can set up group buys of 10+ customers and I can personally fly out and flash your computers. Of course a working environment has to be setup for this to happen, but interested parties can contact us directly to set this up.



As a bonus, we are offering performance hardware, such as downpipes, for many Fxx vehicles. Over time we will be adding more product to our website but if you have some special requests, just shoot us an email at sales@missiontuning.com


And questions or requests? Just send us an email or post it here. We are always open to suggestions and requests.

[Lalit@autocouture]

We've been scaling for 3.5 and 4 bar sensors for well over 6 months now with the S55/S63tu and OBD "partial flashing" for a year.

More info on this factory integrated meth system?

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by Lalit@AUTOcouture

We've been scaling for 3.5 and 4 bar sensors for well over 6 months now with the S55/S63tu and OBD "partial flashing" for a year.

More info on this factory integrated meth system?

It seems that you guys are using JB4 for most of your tuning support and not custom re-flashes. To date, there has not been a single company to successfully calibrate aftermarket MAP sensors. MAP sensors have only been scaled using JB4 and not through custom calibration. What we offer is a custom calibration that allows a plug and play support for 3 and 3.5bar sensors. We can offer 4bar sensor support for some customers, but 3.5bar sensor is more then sufficient enough for most Stage2 customers.


Yes partial obd flashing has been used by others before, but no one was able to build a custom bootlaoder that will interact with BMW factory tools and not request an update when customer goes in for service. All of the current OBD patching just disables signature check for calibration area while leaving factory boot loader in place. If a customer goes into service and gets a factory update, they loose the OBD patch and have to send the computer out AGAIN for another patch.

[Lalit@autocouture]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

It seems that you guys are using JB4 for most of your tuning support and not custom re-flashes. To date, there has not been a single company to successfully calibrate aftermarket MAP sensors. MAP sensors have only been scaled using JB4 and not through custom calibration. What we offer is a custom calibration that allows a plug and play support for 3 and 3.5bar sensors. We can offer 4bar sensor support for some customers, but 3.5bar sensor is more then sufficient enough for most Stage2 customers.


Yes partial obd flashing has been used by others before, but no one was able to build a custom bootlaoder that will interact with BMW factory tools and not request an update when customer goes in for service. All of the current OBD patching just disables signature check for calibration area while leaving factory boot loader in place. If a customer goes into service and gets a factory update, they loose the OBD patch and have to send the computer out AGAIN for another patch.

Have anything to back this up? You're misinformed. Let's see some data of your own

[MissionPerformance]

There is not a single word from any sponsors on the boards saying that they can bypass the MAP sensor calibration. On top of that, any high powered Fxx are still forced to use tuning boxes combined with software reflash to once again allow the usage of higher rated pressure sensors. If anyone had this calibration perfected using factory software (not jb4), then I'm sure there would be information about that posted a while back, but that is not a case.

This is a sneak peak to the differences of the 2 sensors.
3.5bar custom MAP(top) calibration vs 2.5bar factory(buttom).

[allmotor_2000]

Looks good.... would love to see some dyno and performance results.

TMAP scaling has been done already. Its just not advertised much... there are hiccups with fueling at 800+whp level (therefore alternate controls are used) so if you have figured that part out... kudos!!

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Looks good.... would love to see some dyno and performance results.

TMAP scaling has been done already. Its just not advertised much... there are hiccups with fueling at 800+whp level (therefore alternate controls are used) so if you have figured that part out... kudos!!

Before making our statements, we have searched high and low to find anyone calibrating MAP sensors, and nothing has been found. Maybe we have missed something, but from what we have seen so far, no one even talked about calibrating higher MAP sensors. Yes anyone can come here and say they have done it, but there is just no proof or supporting argument for that. On top of that, having calibrated MAP sensors that cause fueling issues at higher torque figures means one thing, they are not calibrated correctly.

Here is a N63tu we have been working on for a 550i. Still have more room to grow with new sensors installed.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by lfelunden

@F10M5Manual Mike, how is your car running on 93 octane and the map sensors?
Can you please share your experience with me and Kevin @Precision tuning?

@F10M5Manual Mike, how is your car running on 93 octane and the map sensors?
Can you please share your experience with me and Kevin @Precision tuning?


Car is running stronger than before
No hiccups,breakups,misfires, graph is holding power. With map sensors not being change it sucks, we have changed mine like what? Summertime? Lol.
Now car is Pureturbostrong Precision Tuned cant get any better i havent seen a tune that makes power on lets say
Without doing tricky ricky stuff
Full flash

M6 jst tune and catback makes 686whp / 641wtrq dct on pump! And 22lbs


M5
Full bolt ons, turbo,dp 22lbs
707whp/717wtrq
Pump gas

And it doesnt die!



Here is my review on different tunes i have tried!

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1214765

[Spinny02]

Welcome to the board and great job on your work. Sometime these guys have too much time on their hands, if they don't like your tune they don't have to buy it =). Good luck and looking forward to your progress.

[combatbmw]

You know the tuning game in the BMW world is so strange.
Lots of weird shit that I have personally experience.. started with my 550i and thinking I had a custom dyno tune, then later finding out I had a file flashed and wasn't custom at all.

I will say to the OP, you seem to know your stuff from what IM reading.
I have a tune already... but based on what I read so far, you seem like you know what your talking about.
But then again lfelunden is a good dude and also has a ton of knowledge about tuning.

Keep it clean fellas, this is a M5/M6 forum, with grown ass men and women.
When companys start fighting like this, its a huge turn off for me. Maybe others as well.

As a business owner myself, believe me sometimes I wish I can call my competitors and light them up myself but you just can't do that.. when you do, you let them win at the end.

[MissionPerformance]

You are right, we didn't come here to fight and do not want to be the "new guys" to start drama. We did what we came here to do, and that is inform others of what is out there.

Btw, you have a pm.

[MissionPerformance]

They are gone. I guess mods did not like the fighting. We will try and keep everything more peaceful from now on as not to cause any issues.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

They are gone. I guess mods did not like the fighting. We will try and keep everything more peaceful from now on as not to cause any issues.

I didn't see any fighting i only saw good info and eye-opening to the community.
Ugh now its gone

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

I didn't see any fighting i only saw good info and eye-opening to the community.
Ugh now its gone

Well thanks for that, at least someone saw it as really was meant to be seen.

[allmotor_2000]

Guess I am local....

[332ijunkie]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

There is not a single word from any sponsors on the boards saying that they can bypass the MAP sensor calibration. On top of that, any high powered Fxx are still forced to use tuning boxes combined with software reflash to once again allow the usage of higher rated pressure sensors. If anyone had this calibration perfected using factory software (not jb4), then I'm sure there would be information about that posted a while back, but that is not a case.

This is a sneak peak to the differences of the 2 sensors.
3.5bar custom MAP(top) calibration vs 2.5bar factory(buttom).

Testo, nice

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by 332ijunkie

Testo, nice

Yep, great tool for pulling live date right from DME. Simple and gets the job done right.

[FSociety]

MissionPerformance looking forward on seeing your M5/M6 before and after dyno's , the community will appreciate raw data!

[Bmw doubles]

I know you guys are probably unimpressed with n55 talk, but Alex MissionPerformance was able to get 435wtq out of my mostly stock motor. That's a big deal for us inline 6 guys. You've seen what he can do with the n63tu configuration. The most important thing is that they are able to do this power safely. Hung out with the whole team from Mission Performance, professionals through and through. The most important factor is that they stand behind their work.

[ARC550]

Big Question here: what about warranty? What is process for ECU access? Drill or removal?

Also how is customer service when/if their is an issue? Warranty? Etc.. I have been through hell and back with my 550xi with 4 Different tuners. From flashes to custom ECU to JB etc.. I am simply asking the questions that I wish I asked before I jumped into the ECU tuning world of an 80k+ car.. I now have an M6 but still have my 550xi. I am now in the market for an ECU tune and don't know where to go.. I am strongly leaning in a direction but who knows what can happen in 2-3 weeks.

I am big on 1/4 track and a dyno queen lol. I am a unwrap Best* friend if all goes well.

[MissionPerformance]

ARC550 , What issues did you have to make you go between 4 different tuners? What were the problems you were facing?
With us, we offer over email and phone customer service. Whenever/if there is a problem, just give us a call and we will figure it out. Our tune comes with optional M-boot that allows us to remotely flash your ECU if changes are required. That means that you do not have to send in your ECU every time you need adjustments.

Customer has two options for loading in the initial flash and can request their preference from us, either its drilling the ECU or opening it up but cutting the silicone. Its up to you which way you would like to go.

If you have any detailed questions, just send us a PM.

[MissionPerformance]

Yeah that is right.