Evolve Stage 1+ Vs JB4 + BCM "Map 4 ?"

[Edmguy11]

Gents, I am about to pull the pin on a tuner for my BMW M5 F10. Unfortunately I live in Edmonton, Alberta so my options are limited.

There is a local dealer who can do the Evolve Stage 1+ for me, it sounds like the most promising option.

However everyone on this board talks about the Jb4 + BCM.

I am not a drag racer by any means, so the additional power without significantly compromising drivability is most important for me.

Which route should I go buy a Jb4 + BCM and use the Map 4, or getting the ECU flash the best route ?

Certainly the JB4 is cheaper, with the flash probably costing me $2000 CDN.

[q8kamikaze]

I suggest ECU flash makes more power no CEL or DT mal , jb4-bcm can only raise your boost and trick the ecu and you still have the cel light or limp mode , and with flash tune you can have the speed limiter open. My opinion

[13M5F10]

It all depends on long term goals and power levels.

I personally have had the JB4 and then switch to a tune. It is a night and day difference in power and drivability. Keep in mind not all tunes are created equally so do your research.

If I were you, I would just ship my ECUs to someone here in the US like Precision Tuning, ACM or MSR and get their tunes. They are hitting some crazy numbers on stock cars and the tunes are running very efficient.

Just my two cents.

[erm324]

DME Tuning Flash or JB4+BCM (or a combination of both), depending on your goals.

[Northern X5M]

Hey I am in Edmonton too. If you want you can drive my car.
I have the ESS Tune for Catless down pipes and 93 Octane.

Car is a beast, I think if you have no intention to drag race and what not it is a good option. Can't complain about an 11 second car. Traction is an issue though.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

Hey I am in Edmonton too. If you want you can drive my car.
I have the ESS Tune for Catless down pipes and 93 Octane.

Car is a beast, I think if you have no intention to drag race and what not it is a good option. Can't complain about an 11 second car. Traction is an issue though.

Running 305 here and pushing close to 800HP Crank. No traction issues !!!! Get some good tires. Haha

[allmotor_2000]

Run a flash tune as the base always... then if you want to tweak beyond, add a JB4. Although it is always a good idea to have a OBD2 logger like the JB4 or something else to keep tabs of how things are going!

Good luck!

[Edmguy11]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

Hey I am in Edmonton too. If you want you can drive my car.
I have the ESS Tune for Catless down pipes and 93 Octane.

Car is a beast, I think if you have no intention to drag race and what not it is a good option. Can't complain about an 11 second car. Traction is an issue though.

Thanks for the offer may take you up on that

Where did you get the Tune done ?

[Edmguy11]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

It all depends on long term goals and power levels.

I personally have had the JB4 and then switch to a tune. It is a night and day difference in power and drivability. Keep in mind not all tunes are created equally so do your research.

If I were you, I would just ship my ECUs to someone here in the US like Precision Tuning, ACM or MSR and get their tunes. They are hitting some crazy numbers on stock cars and the tunes are running very efficient.

Just my two cents.

Thanks for your two cents its much appreciated.

I have found it hard to see anything good or bad about Evolve Stage 1+/2 flashs for the M5.

Do you think getting Precision to do the tuning vs Evolve would be that much better?

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Edmguy11

Thanks for your two cents its much appreciated.

I have found it hard to see anything good or bad about Evolve Stage 1+/2 flashs for the M5.

Do you think getting Precision to do the tuning vs Evolve would be that much better?

I've heard nothing but great things about EVOLVE but the power gains listed aren't any where near what the other guys are producing. I believe EVOLVE Stage 2 requires you to have downpipes which is an added costs and the power levels are low compared to what I have seen come out of the others. Example... on a stock car, they are getting 650+ WHP out of a tune on 23PSI. This is amazing numbers! For myself, I want to go with a quality tune that yields the most power.

[Edmguy11]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

I've heard nothing but great things about EVOLVE but the power gains listed aren't any where near what the other guys are producing. I believe EVOLVE Stage 2 requires you to have downpipes which is an added costs and the power levels are low compared to what I have seen come out of the others. Example... on a stock car, they are getting 650+ WHP out of a tune on 23PSI. This is amazing numbers! For myself, I want to go with a quality tune that yields the most power.

Well Imran quoted me 703 BHP for Stage 1 +, which would just be under 600 HP to the wheels I am assuming.

So yea an additional 50 whp for their tunes is no joke.

Any idea what a tune for precision tuning would cost after I mailed them my ECU? Assuming there would be no issues with them taking into account the shitty high altitude I live in.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Edmguy11

Well Imran quoted me 703 BHP for Stage 1 +, which would just be under 600 HP to the wheels I am assuming.

So yea an additional 50 whp for their tunes is no joke.

Any idea what a tune for precision tuning would cost after I mailed them my ECU? Assuming there would be no issues with them taking into account the shitty high altitude I live in.

PM me your number or facebook. Ill introduce you guys and you can discuss all those details and expectationons

[13M5F10]

ACM Burble/Overrun Tune + Burnout http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1246286

[Imran@Evolve]

Dyno charts are all good and well but....

Firstly you can't compare US dynojet figures to ours as Dynojets read much higher than our Dyno Dynamics dyno.

Secondly I see big dyno numbers and no verified 60-130 MPH times or 100-200 MPH times. Making big power on dyno's is one thing. Translating it to the road is another.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

Dyno charts are all good and well but....

Firstly you can't compare US dynojet figures to ours as Dynojets read much higher than our Dyno Dynamics dyno.

Secondly I see big dyno numbers and no verified 60-130 MPH times or 100-200 MPH times. Making big power on dyno's is one thing. Translating it to the road is another.

The data is all here on the forums ... ACM, precision, and few others all have VBOx, Dyno (some in Europe) and 1/4 slips on the forums and else where, just gotta do your research. They've been posting for months. Not knocking your tune at all, Evolve does great work and has great tunes.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

The data is all here on the forums ... ACM, precision, and few others all have VBOx, Dyno (some in Europe) and 1/4 slips on the forums and else where, just gotta do your research. They've been posting for months. Not knocking your tune at all, Evolve does great work and has great tunes.

I've had a look and can't find any verified VBOX data from anyone except Allmotor.

Care to point me and everyone else in the right direction?

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

I've had a look and can't find any verified VBOX data from anyone except Allmotor.

Care to point me and everyone else in the right direction?

Imran, it's okay that your tunes aren't up to par with others. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not going to hijack this thread and turn this into a pissing contest as this is a place of information and knowledge sharing. I gave my honest opinion and the data is here in the forums to back it up. I've personally seen the data here and elsewhere and have no affiliation with any of these guys.

Hope this helps and this was an M5 in Europe that produced 690whp on the dyno

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Imran, it's okay that your tunes aren't up to par with others. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not going to hijack this thread and turn this into a pissing contest as this is a place of information and knowledge sharing. I gave my honest opinion and the data is here in the forums to back it up. I've personally seen the data here and elsewhere and have no affiliation with any of these guys.

Hope this helps and this was an M5 in Europe that produced 690whp on the dyno

Its not about a pissing contest. Its about saying there is lots of 60-130 MPH data out there to back up these huge dyno numbers when there isn't, well not that I can find anyway, hence me asking you as you said there was.

So that car made 690 WHP and all that can be produced to back it up is a picture of a VBOX (not verfied) of only a 6.2 100-200 KPH.

You're right our tunes are not up to par...and I'm fine with it.

100-200 KPH VBOX Verfied...5.8

[13M5F10]

All good Imran. We can beat this horse to death all day long. Op will be happy whichever way he goes.

Enjoy your day

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by Edmguy11

Thanks for the offer may take you up on that

Where did you get the Tune done ?

You have to remove the 2 DMEs from the car and mail to ESS. Takes about a week soup to nuts. The first time I had the dealer remove the DMEs since the car was in for some work. But it is dead easy to do.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Edmguy11

Gents, I am about to pull the pin on a tuner for my BMW M5 F10. Unfortunately I live in Edmonton, Alberta so my options are limited.

There is a local dealer who can do the Evolve Stage 1+ for me, it sounds like the most promising option.

However everyone on this board talks about the Jb4 + BCM.

I am not a drag racer by any means, so the additional power without significantly compromising drivability is most important for me.

Which route should I go buy a Jb4 + BCM and use the Map 4, or getting the ECU flash the best route ?

Certainly the JB4 is cheaper, with the flash probably costing me $2000 CDN.

To get most power you need to stack JB4 + flash
To get most features, you need the JB4

I would do JB4 + other mods and when I'm all done and ready add a flash tune with the JB4 for max power

[Edmguy11]

I appreciate all the feedback.

I decided to go with an Evolve Stage 1 tune.

Although I am sure there is other options other there that may result in larger peek horsepower. The fact that they post credible proof on real world performance gains, and have nothing but positive feedback about reliability won me over.

I will post a review in a few days.