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      07-09-2013, 07:00 PM   #23
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^ That's what I was about to say. Not sure how I feel about a variable ratio throughout the rack range, though. I guess if the slower ratio didn't kick in until beyond the ranges you'd use on a track or during harder driving it might not be noticeable during performance driving, but in that case why slow the rack down on the extremes rather than just having a faster rack overall? The few times the extremes are used (tight turns, parking garages) are exactly when you'd WANT a faster ratio. A slower ratio on-center helps highway stability (at the cost of nimbleness), but I don't see the point of a slower ratio toward the ends.
I'd have to assume the std M5 steering is slower ratio on center and speeds up at the ends. The steering enhancement speeds up on center only probably being closer to a consistent ratio.
If I already owned an M5 the comp pkg upgrades aren't worth the cost or effort, but new, I will seriously consider it.
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      07-09-2013, 07:10 PM   #24
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McLaren offered the upgrades for free because their competition was somehow better: 458 Italia, etc. They are also new on the supercars market.
On the other hand Porsche charges for their Sport Chrono Pack, Mercedes offers an AMG S which is more expensive so BMW took this route too.
I'm curious to see the improvements on the track
Hate to call you out but mclaren is far from new at the supercar game - in fact they literally invented one of the first hyper cars in the early 90's (f1) and are doubling down next year with the p1.

Also do you mean amg black series? Im not familiar with an amg s (other than the s class amg 63 and 65).
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      07-09-2013, 07:29 PM   #25
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Hate to call you out but mclaren is far from new at the supercar game - in fact they literally invented one of the first hyper cars in the early 90's (f1) and are doubling down next year with the p1.

Also do you mean amg black series? Im not familiar with an amg s (other than the s class amg 63 and 65).
The new S model designation is equivalent to the old P30 performance package on the E63 AMG
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      07-09-2013, 07:42 PM   #26
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The 2014 AMG's offer an S package with 4wd and 585hp...this is no S class!

So the Comp Pkg;
1) no diff in wheel weight
2) less than 3% HP increase at top end(insignificant)
3) no ///M performance exhaust(just different tips and slight change in sound)
4) steering not much different to non comp-pkg
5) stiffer & 10mm lower suspension

My hard -earned $7,300 for what? Unless I'm tracking on a regular basis why would I give this to an already hugely profitable company? This exhaust should be standard on M5's...buyers of these high performance cars don't expect a subdued exhaust. On the contrary, most want to hear a wicked sound.
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      07-09-2013, 07:53 PM   #27
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^ That's what I was about to say. Not sure how I feel about a variable ratio throughout the rack range, though. I guess if the slower ratio didn't kick in until beyond the ranges you'd use on a track or during harder driving it might not be noticeable during performance driving, but in that case why slow the rack down on the extremes rather than just having a faster rack overall? The few times the extremes are used (tight turns, parking garages) are exactly when you'd WANT a faster ratio. A slower ratio on-center helps highway stability (at the cost of nimbleness), but I don't see the point of a slower ratio toward the ends.
The only thing i can think of is a faster ratio at low speeds would require a larger power steering pump. typically at higher speeds you wouldn't need as much assistance to turn the wheel. where as at lower speeds you would. Think of old cars before power steering if you have ever driven them. they had a large lock to lock of the steering wheel if i remember correctly.
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      07-09-2013, 08:04 PM   #28
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      07-09-2013, 08:35 PM   #29
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Why are all these ppl crying? Buy aftermarket coilovers, bbk, track wheels, turn dsc OFF and go to the track. Theres your competition package.
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      07-09-2013, 08:50 PM   #30
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Also good to know that the Comp Pack Wheels offer no benefit performance wise over the 343M's, they are just for looks.
The Comp Package wheels are a half-inch wider than the 343Ms.
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      07-09-2013, 08:57 PM   #31
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The Comp Package wheels are a half-inch wider than the 343Ms.
But they mount the same width Michelin PSS's as the 343M's.
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      07-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #32
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^ True, but that means they'd accommodate larger tires if you wanted to fit them, assuming the tires cleared elsewhere of course. The stock tires would also look a bit different mounted and might have very minor performance differences because of the slightly different sidewall profile on a larger wheel, but that would be minimal at best.
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      07-09-2013, 10:11 PM   #33
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http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863049

Japan BMW came out with a special edition M5 with the competition package called the Nighthawk.
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      07-09-2013, 10:35 PM   #34
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BMW just gave people 7300 reasons to get that Competition package...

why not put a CF roof along with Comp. package?!
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      07-09-2013, 10:37 PM   #35
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The Comp Package wheels are a half-inch wider than the 343Ms.
True on the F10 M5. The 343Ms for the M5 are 9.0J x 20 & 10J x 20.

However, on ALL the M6 variants, the 343Ms are 9.5J x 20 & 10.5J x 20 (i.e. identical widths vs the 601M 'Competition' wheels.
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      07-09-2013, 10:56 PM   #36
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good info! but $7k is a killer premium....
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      07-09-2013, 11:23 PM   #37
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But they mount the same width Michelin PSS's as the 343M's.
Which means they'll stretch out those tires to have a wider contact patch, and stiffen their sidewall for less tire compression.
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      07-09-2013, 11:24 PM   #38
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True on the F10 M5. The 343Ms for the M5 are 9.0J x 20 & 10J x 20.

However, on ALL the M6 variants, the 343Ms are 9.5J x 20 & 10.5J x 20 (i.e. identical widths vs the 601M 'Competition' wheels.
Interesting. The same wheel model number has different sizes depending on the car they come equipped on? Is this a BMW first?
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      07-09-2013, 11:27 PM   #39
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http://bmw-m-heat.jp/products/m5nighthawk.html

Japan BMW came out with a special edition M5 with the competition package called the Nighthawk.
That just looks like an LCI M5 with the carbon brake package and some blacked out bits -- not the Competition Package.
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Well atleast BMW is being consistent about the experience, 2012s missed the NAV, 2013s now missing comp/updates.. who knows what the 2014s will miss.. LOL. Its the nature of the beast there will always be next and better. If your not into this constant one upping then buy an exotic (or even a Porsche) .. they are not as bad.
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More info on torsion bar and stiffer front bushings if possible. Which bushings on which suspension component? Is it a modest upgrade? I wonder how much different March build cars feel.
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M5 with the competition package-my next car? Or the M6 GC? Problems!
M6 GC! I wonder how the m4 gc will look.
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      07-10-2013, 04:40 AM   #43
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2014 Competition Package details:
  • Power increase by 11kW (15HP) to 423kW (575 HP)
  • Stiffer stabilizer (anti-roll) bars
  • Stiffer and lower suspension (shocks and springs) (10mm lower than standard M5).
  • Stiffer front axle bushings
  • Active M Differential with a unique tune for the competition package for improved traction
  • New hydraulic rack-and-pinion steering with the M-specific Servotronic function with A MORE DIRECT PROGRAMMING to improve agility during cornering
  • M Dynamic mode (MDM) of DSC tuned with higher thresholds of intervention
  • New 20" M light alloy wheels
  • Sport exhaust with black chrome tips
  • Note: BMW M ceramic brakes still remain a separate option, unrelated to this package.
  • 2014 US pricing: $7300 (see price guide)

Can Competition Package parts/software be retrofitted?

No, official retrofit support will not be provided by BMW here in the U.S. But, of course some parts can be retrofitted by individual owners if they went to enough lengths to do so. Some things would be easier of course, but steering and software would be difficult. The demand for retrofit is lower in U.S. due to the higher lease penetration and higher car turnover. In comparison, Europe supports retrofitting more than the U.S.


How is the suspension improved exactly?

The following is my own summary: 10mm lower suspension (M5), stiffer front bushings, revised springs/shocks and stiffer swaybars.
Hi Jason, any idea why steering and software would be difficult to retrofit? Did M elaborate on the reason for the difficulty in updating/upgrading software? The underlined items above appear to be not difficult to retrofit (?) (but of course, they would entail costs).
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http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863049

Japan BMW came out with a special edition M5 with the competition package called the Nighthawk.
That just looks like an LCI M5 with the carbon brake package and some blacked out bits -- not the Competition Package.
The spec has it at 575HP, thought that's part of the competition package?
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