Spotted Again: US Spec F10 M5 with Manual Transmission

[Jblack4083]

Originally Posted by Rich@GTBPerformance

Why is it a silly comment?

Just because he states a preference doesn't mean you have to disparage him.

Comments like this and the one the other user made are the reason why theres always a debate

Why prefer to deny another man the option of a different transmission? That was my point. I think the car should be available as both because not everyone prefers one or the other. How is that wrong?

[Powerbeast]

WHen can the F10 M5 be purchased in the US?

[richb811]

Originally Posted by Jblack4083

Comments like this and the one the other user made are the reason why theres always a debate

Why prefer to deny another man the option of a different transmission? That was my point. I think the car should be available as both because not everyone prefers one or the other. How is that wrong?

You could ask the M engineers the same question about the 1M Coupe, which only comes in a manual. And all the other M5's up until 2005.

[KG3356MT]

I drive a stick but, I can not deny that the manual transmissions days are numbered. This will probably be the last M5 offered in stick. I don't know why this topic always turns into a big debate. If you like autos or vice versa you will not be turned the other way. Since were on the topic, DCT M5 for me. Stick shift feels out of date to me ever since I drove a DCT M3.

[KG3356MT]

Originally Posted by Rich@GTBPerformance

You could ask the M engineers the same question about the 1M Coupe, which only comes in a manual. And all the other M5's up until 2005.

They came in manual only before 2005 because they didn't have the automatic transmissions they have now. Things change. The 1M is manual only because it is a low volume seller aimed at a certain crowd.

[Jblack4083]

Originally Posted by Rich@GTBPerformance

You could ask the M engineers the same question about the 1M Coupe, which only comes in a manual. And all the other M5's up until 2005.

You love the company as much as i do. Why not have the mainstream products available to as many people as possible? That means more money and more/better products

The 1M is not a mainstream product like the M5 therefore image is more important than availability.

[johnca]

Very nice option for people who love MT

[fabolous]

those in the US just be happy. We have a choice!

Buy what you like and worry about your own stuff, not "pure BMW"

Most of the people complaining here probably cant afford one anyhow, manual or automatic manual.

After my DCT M3 i am excited to have this car in manual. Some people just like doing it themselves, so mind your business and stop trying to divide the community.

[jonasaurus]

Originally Posted by BLITZ

Does anyone see the cat in the last pic?

Nice spot lol

[phish_100]

Originally Posted by ajvee

Anyone find it a bit ironic that the Europeans tout themselves as the better drivers/car enthusiasts, but seemingly have no interest in a 6mt M5?

Not as far as I am aware, simply that all the best cars are European!! :-P

[leletyM3]

I do want!!!

[AlHersh]

Originally Posted by P-TownM3

DCT is so far from an automatic (even a "better" automatic). Foot (human) operated clutches will become obsolete.

I understand if you prefer to row gears...as I did in every car prior to my M3....but the DCT is and will always be the superior gearbox, in every aspect.

+1

[e92_m3]

It's just a matter of self preference.

We are all BMW enthusiasts here and arguing over a transmission is just childish IMHO. *Sigh*, when will these arguments end?

Look at the Lexus ISF (Does not come in manual), and all of Mercedes Benz AMG line up. NO MANUAL at all. We are still lucky coz BMW decided to offer the M5 in manual.

If you want a manual, get a manual. If you want DCT, get a DCT. It's that simple.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by P-TownM3

DCT is so far from an automatic (even a "better" automatic). Foot (human) operated clutches will become obsolete.

Agree that there will come a time that manual transmissions are gone form all but a few sports cars.

But the DCT won't obsolete a multi-clutch planetary box any time soon. Both types of automated transmission will play a role well into the future.

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

It will not always be the superior gearbox when it comes to reliability based on how complex a DCT is.

A wet-clutch DCT is far simpler than an automatic transmission mechanically, and electronically they are equivalent. A dry-clutch DCT is a little more complex due to the need for a dedicated electro-hydraulic shifting subsystem, but still arguably no more complex than the traditional automatic with its ever-increasingly complex planetary gear trains, lock-up torque converters, and clutches.

[M ETT]

Originally Posted by BLITZ

Does anyone see the cat in the last pic?

Respect man!! You got sharp eyes.

[MartinS]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

While a dual clutch transmission is definitely not like a conventional torque converter automatic, it can still shift its own gears thereby making it a form of automatic transmission.



Not every aspect. It will not always be the superior gearbox when it comes to reliability based on how complex a DCT is. I've read about some of the issues a few of the M3 and 135 DCT guys have had on these forums. There have been cars refusing to shift into certain gears, or refusing to shift at all and remain in park. I prefer a car that doesn't decide on when I can or can't shift, or even drive the car at all for that matter. In theory, a DCT should be the better transmission for track driving, but I've read cases of cars from a few manufacturers go into limp mode because of the DCT overheating. How is that superior?

Haha, you read too much...

Have you never read about a manuel tranny braeking?

[M-Power111]

Originally Posted by phish_100

Not as far as I am aware, simply that all the best cars are European!! :-P

good point.

[esqu1re]

Well, if F1 and Le Mans cars are "automatic," then it's ok by my books. I'm sure having a traditional manual might be more fun in a non-racing car though. Regardless, options are good.

[datbimmerdoe]

noice!!

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by MartinS

Haha, you read too much...

Have you never read about a manuel tranny braeking?

Haha, well to be honest, I have on a couple of occasions. I recall one thread on bimmerpost about a 6MT having trouble getting into gear. I've also read other threads on Subaru forums about people shattering/stripping gears, but that was usually caused by people dropping the clutch while revving to redline to launch the car. Manual transmissions can certainly break, but most instances I've read about were due to serious abuse.

Like others have said though, I'm glad their offering a choice.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by e92_m3

Look at the Lexus ISF (Does not come in manual), and all of Mercedes Benz AMG line up. NO MANUAL at all. We are still lucky coz BMW decided to offer the M5 in manual.

Good point!

[s4awd]

I'm in. I went from a 550i sport 6 speed to an E92 6 speed. Loved them both. This is next! Thank you BMW!!!!!