M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > Wheels | Tires | Suspension | Brakes | Chassis

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      12-10-2012, 08:55 AM   #23
bobblehead
Brigadier General
bobblehead's Avatar
Canada
256
Rep
4,721
Posts

Drives: warp speed
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, On

iTrader: (0)

Eibach US did say the springs are very similar to the ACS springs as they are done in conjunction. The main difference is just the spring rate.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Poleposition View Post
Im waiting. If the Eibach pro kit is consistent with its characteristics from the past as compared to H&R, it should be a comfortable option with slightly LESS of a drop than the H&R. I plan on running 21's and really want to see both options before making a decision.
Appreciate 0
      12-10-2012, 09:15 AM   #24
mcvaughan
Lieutenant Colonel
mcvaughan's Avatar
United_States
702
Rep
1,917
Posts

Drives: F87 Competition
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Katy, TX

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BarryB View Post
Nope
Uggghhhhhh!
__________________
Matt
Appreciate 0
      12-10-2012, 11:39 AM   #25
BarryB
Lieutenant Colonel
BarryB's Avatar
United_States
865
Rep
1,758
Posts

Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Palo Alto CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poleposition
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
Eibach springs are still not done with testing as I called in Eibach US office for status report early Dec. They have no clue as to when Eibach Germany will sign off on the springs.
Im waiting. If the Eibach pro kit is consistent with its characteristics from the past as compared to H&R, it should be a comfortable option with slightly LESS of a drop than the H&R. I plan on running 21's and really want to see both options before making a decision.
There are supposedly 2 "styles" of the H&R. The "street" ones drop 1" in the back and .6" in the rear. I'm very happy with ride quality. I think the other style drops more, somebody?
Think I want spacers though.....
__________________
Current non-BMW's
20 Jeep Grand Cherokee
03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp)
60 Impala (43k orig mi)
15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
Appreciate 0
      12-10-2012, 12:50 PM   #26
info@trinityautosport
United_States
278
Rep
7,518
Posts

Drives: F13 M6
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (0)

looking good =)
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 03:34 AM   #27
datbimmerdoe
Lieutenant General
datbimmerdoe's Avatar
United_States
1265
Rep
17,493
Posts

Drives: like I'M BOUT THAT LIFE
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: PARADISE aka CANES COUNTRY

iTrader: (0)

looks great!
__________________
#datbimmerdoe #thatbimmertho

FOLLOW @datbimmerdoe on INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 06:58 AM   #28
BarryB
Lieutenant Colonel
BarryB's Avatar
United_States
865
Rep
1,758
Posts

Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Palo Alto CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
What's the opinion on spacers?

Will they change or effect the ride or steering?

Will change the look to be more aggressive, I think.
__________________
Current non-BMW's
20 Jeep Grand Cherokee
03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp)
60 Impala (43k orig mi)
15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 11:46 AM   #29
M54ccibo
Major
M54ccibo's Avatar
United_States
83
Rep
1,489
Posts

Drives: '16 GT4
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Looks great Barry. What EDC setting did you drive with before/after the spring install?
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 01:22 PM   #30
RPiM5
Major General
RPiM5's Avatar
2853
Rep
7,883
Posts

Drives: Mexico Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Sunny San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
Eibach springs are still not done with testing as I called in Eibach US office for status report early Dec. They have no clue as to when Eibach Germany will sign off on the springs.
Thanks for this update. I too am still waiting for the Eibach's. I was also thinking about Hartge, but I think they are expensive just for the springs. Gonna wait and see what Eibach does. I had them on my E60 M5 and they were perfect. The H&R's on the E60 M5 were too stiff for me.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 02:42 PM   #31
mcvaughan
Lieutenant Colonel
mcvaughan's Avatar
United_States
702
Rep
1,917
Posts

Drives: F87 Competition
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Katy, TX

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPiM5 View Post
Thanks for this update. I too am still waiting for the Eibach's. I was also thinking about Hartge, but I think they are expensive just for the springs. Gonna wait and see what Eibach does. I had them on my E60 M5 and they were perfect. The H&R's on the E60 M5 were too stiff for me.
The H&Rs for F10 are supposed to be much better. You may want to consider them. I have my set still in the box, but others are saying good things about them.
__________________
Matt
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 04:46 PM   #32
BarryB
Lieutenant Colonel
BarryB's Avatar
United_States
865
Rep
1,758
Posts

Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Palo Alto CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Yes I too heard these are better ( nothing to compare to from before).
The ride is very good IMO ( Dave I may have the car down there in a couple of weeks and I can reciprocate the ride on Sun. Only quieter......
What I can say is MUCH less negative effect than increasing rim size like I did on my E60 and why I tried springs this time.

Chris I ride in sport/comfort/comfort for daily driving ie in the soft setting for steering and dampening for cruising.
__________________
Current non-BMW's
20 Jeep Grand Cherokee
03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp)
60 Impala (43k orig mi)
15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
Appreciate 0
      12-11-2012, 08:19 PM   #33
avi8tir
Captain
avi8tir's Avatar
395
Rep
853
Posts

Drives: ///M
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: SNA IAH AMS

iTrader: (0)

here's a question.... the shop I am going to said they had done several 550's but not an F10 M5. is the process the same?
Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 04:50 AM   #34
jmh
Internet Crash Test Dummy
jmh's Avatar
United_States
331
Rep
1,055
Posts

Drives: F97 X3MC / F80 M3 / F90 M5
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Under a rock in NH and BOS

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by avi8tir View Post
here's a question.... the shop I am going to said they had done several 550's but not an F10 M5. is the process the same?
Yes. Likely the interior trim is more delicate as the M5 comes standard with Alcantara


Write up from the H&R spring install at Turner Motorsports :

The install of these springs took approximately 6 hours. It involves removing all four coil over (spring and strut assemblies) from the vehicle. Each coil over plugs into the EDC system which makes the removal and install of the strut assemblies a bit tricky, especially in the rear where you need to access the top of the strut from under the rear deck tray. You must remove the rear speakers and some trim pieces to access the the EDC harness and the 3 bolts holding the strut.

The most difficult and time consuming part of doing the spring install is making sure there is ample room to remove the rear strut assemblies without damaging the EDC harness on the strut its self or anything around it like the electronic emergency brake. We found the best way to do this is to disconnect the rear sway bar, remove the rear caliper with electronic emergency brake and disconnect the rear control arms. This gives plenty of room to pull out the coilover strut out of the rear wheel well. Other than that the install is relatively straight forward, the front is basically just like most other BMWs.
__________________
21 F97 X3MC Toronto Red/Black and more | 18 F80 M3 Tanzanite Blue/Amaro/CCB and more
15 F10 M5 Individual / Brilliant White / Extended/Full Cohiba Brown (Exec/Driver/B&O/20") / A few Euro add-ons / Stealth K40 / Upgraded B&O / ///M Performance Carbon Interior Trim / IND / Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust / HRE S107
Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 11:09 AM   #35
M54ccibo
Major
M54ccibo's Avatar
United_States
83
Rep
1,489
Posts

Drives: '16 GT4
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BarryB View Post
Yes I too heard these are better ( nothing to compare to from before).
The ride is very good IMO ( Dave I may have the car down there in a couple of weeks and I can reciprocate the ride on Sun. Only quieter......
What I can say is MUCH less negative effect than increasing rim size like I did on my E60 and why I tried springs this time.

Chris I ride in sport/comfort/comfort for daily driving ie in the soft setting for steering and dampening for cruising.
Thanks Barry. Trying to get an idea of how the ride has changed...I too use comfort/comfort for daily driving, and personally like the softer setup. I don't want to loose that option "too" much.
Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 06:06 PM   #36
RPiM5
Major General
RPiM5's Avatar
2853
Rep
7,883
Posts

Drives: Mexico Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Sunny San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmh View Post
Yes. Likely the interior trim is more delicate as the M5 comes standard with Alcantara


Write up from the H&R spring install at Turner Motorsports :

The install of these springs took approximately 6 hours. It involves removing all four coil over (spring and strut assemblies) from the vehicle. Each coil over plugs into the EDC system which makes the removal and install of the strut assemblies a bit tricky, especially in the rear where you need to access the top of the strut from under the rear deck tray. You must remove the rear speakers and some trim pieces to access the the EDC harness and the 3 bolts holding the strut.

The most difficult and time consuming part of doing the spring install is making sure there is ample room to remove the rear strut assemblies without damaging the EDC harness on the strut its self or anything around it like the electronic emergency brake. We found the best way to do this is to disconnect the rear sway bar, remove the rear caliper with electronic emergency brake and disconnect the rear control arms. This gives plenty of room to pull out the coilover strut out of the rear wheel well. Other than that the install is relatively straight forward, the front is basically just like most other BMWs.
Hey I see that you have the Hartge springs installed for your F10 M5. Can you comment on them? How much did you pay for them also? Thanks.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 07:14 PM   #37
boots
Curve Thrasher
boots's Avatar
620
Rep
3,773
Posts

Drives: 2013 Bmw m5..White/Blk.
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Cypress Tx

iTrader: (0)

A pic would help also.
Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 09:04 PM   #38
jmh
Internet Crash Test Dummy
jmh's Avatar
United_States
331
Rep
1,055
Posts

Drives: F97 X3MC / F80 M3 / F90 M5
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Under a rock in NH and BOS

iTrader: (5)

Pics will follow tomorrow as it's been out of service today for another project....
Overall ride comfort is pretty similar to stock (slightly stiffer in Comfort but not hugely noticeable with 20" wheels, drove a F10 M5 with H&R and 21" wheels which felt much stiffer in comfort mode).
So far I have to admit the kits from H&R, AC Schnitzer and Hartge are very close in ride comfort.
Handling has not changed dramatically either , slightly less body roll .
If you stick with OEM wheels you might want to consider spacers to create a more flush finish (I am going to HRE wheels soon so didn't worry about spacers for a few days/week) , probably somewhere around 5mm-10mm should do for the rear and 5mm-8mm in the front , I am assuming another more than 10mm might be too aggressive and cause rubbing in the rear.
The Hartge springs retail for ~450 Euro in Germany (http://www.hartge.de/e/bmw_fahrwerk_6571.html)
__________________
21 F97 X3MC Toronto Red/Black and more | 18 F80 M3 Tanzanite Blue/Amaro/CCB and more
15 F10 M5 Individual / Brilliant White / Extended/Full Cohiba Brown (Exec/Driver/B&O/20") / A few Euro add-ons / Stealth K40 / Upgraded B&O / ///M Performance Carbon Interior Trim / IND / Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust / HRE S107
Appreciate 0
      12-12-2012, 11:25 PM   #39
RPiM5
Major General
RPiM5's Avatar
2853
Rep
7,883
Posts

Drives: Mexico Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Sunny San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmh View Post
Pics will follow tomorrow as it's been out of service today for another project....
Overall ride comfort is pretty similar to stock (slightly stiffer in Comfort but not hugely noticeable with 20" wheels, drove a F10 M5 with H&R and 21" wheels which felt much stiffer in comfort mode).
So far I have to admit the kits from H&R, AC Schnitzer and Hartge are very close in ride comfort.
Handling has not changed dramatically either , slightly less body roll .
If you stick with OEM wheels you might want to consider spacers to create a more flush finish (I am going to HRE wheels soon so didn't worry about spacers for a few days/week) , probably somewhere around 5mm-10mm should do for the rear and 5mm-8mm in the front , I am assuming another more than 10mm might be too aggressive and cause rubbing in the rear.
The Hartge springs retail for ~450 Euro in Germany (http://www.hartge.de/e/bmw_fahrwerk_6571.html)
Cool, thanks!
__________________


Appreciate 0
      12-13-2012, 09:31 AM   #40
jmh
Internet Crash Test Dummy
jmh's Avatar
United_States
331
Rep
1,055
Posts

Drives: F97 X3MC / F80 M3 / F90 M5
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Under a rock in NH and BOS

iTrader: (5)

Pictures of springs installed

Hi,

finally got around to take some pictures of the springs installed
Also have two pictures of the fitment / wheel gap with OEM wheels

Side View after springs installation





Rear OEM Wheel fitment with springs installation


Front OEM Wheel fitment with springs installed


and a teaser for folks ....

__________________
21 F97 X3MC Toronto Red/Black and more | 18 F80 M3 Tanzanite Blue/Amaro/CCB and more
15 F10 M5 Individual / Brilliant White / Extended/Full Cohiba Brown (Exec/Driver/B&O/20") / A few Euro add-ons / Stealth K40 / Upgraded B&O / ///M Performance Carbon Interior Trim / IND / Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust / HRE S107
Appreciate 0
      12-13-2012, 09:48 AM   #41
Poleposition
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Poleposition's Avatar
United_States
506
Rep
1,431
Posts

Drives: very well
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NY

iTrader: (2)

WOW. Car looks fantastic. Does that steering wheel retain the heating element?
__________________
2022 Individual M5 Comp
Venetian Violet
2021 F96 Comp
2015 i3-REX

IG @purpleM5Comp_NY
Appreciate 0
      12-13-2012, 10:54 AM   #42
jmh
Internet Crash Test Dummy
jmh's Avatar
United_States
331
Rep
1,055
Posts

Drives: F97 X3MC / F80 M3 / F90 M5
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Under a rock in NH and BOS

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Poleposition View Post
WOW. Car looks fantastic. Does that steering wheel retain the heating element?
Thx!
No, it's the only option no longer functional. But that's true for all cars with the BMW Performance steering wheel. As it's Alcantara it won't be too bad in the morning
__________________
21 F97 X3MC Toronto Red/Black and more | 18 F80 M3 Tanzanite Blue/Amaro/CCB and more
15 F10 M5 Individual / Brilliant White / Extended/Full Cohiba Brown (Exec/Driver/B&O/20") / A few Euro add-ons / Stealth K40 / Upgraded B&O / ///M Performance Carbon Interior Trim / IND / Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust / HRE S107
Appreciate 0
      12-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #43
boots
Curve Thrasher
boots's Avatar
620
Rep
3,773
Posts

Drives: 2013 Bmw m5..White/Blk.
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Cypress Tx

iTrader: (0)

Looks nice. I think you should donate your akra exhaust to the boots needs an akrapovic exhaust on his m5. Just saying...lol
Appreciate 0
      12-13-2012, 01:27 PM   #44
BarryB
Lieutenant Colonel
BarryB's Avatar
United_States
865
Rep
1,758
Posts

Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Palo Alto CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Turns put no lug nuts avail for spacers yet. Spoke to Ben at Rogue.
Have to wait for IND to get some.....
__________________
Current non-BMW's
20 Jeep Grand Cherokee
03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp)
60 Impala (43k orig mi)
15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:25 AM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST