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      02-11-2014, 10:39 AM   #89
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See my post...great minds
Oh god damn it, can't believe I missed that

Glad I'm not the only one that enjoys his reviews.
Haha, no worries. Nice to see we think alike. I swear it seems like most of the people on these forums only listen to the reviews if it comes from a race car driver. I guess it's because it goes with their fantasy that they're pro drivers too.
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Soon no one will ever have anything negative to say about the precious M and we will all conform to the status quo or else!! It's his opinion, which btw was overall very good. The attacks on him are pretty shameful IMO.
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      02-11-2014, 10:52 AM   #92
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Perhaps he got one of cars that the dealership forgot to remove the shipping blockers from the suspension on...

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898456

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815777

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806733
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      02-11-2014, 10:54 AM   #93
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Everyone is being way too critical. The fanboy level is at a all new high. I mean not liking the guy is one thing but that was actually one of his better reviews, and I think he does address the M5 perfectly. DCT isn't actually the best auto around town and in traffic, we all know that DCT shines on the track. For those saying they are late to the party, who cares?? DRIVE needs to be build their list of cars to be tested so why wouldn't they add a M5 to the party. Matt isn't my favorite, Chris is better, but he is slowly showing his true colors. Chris already said this would be his daily driver if he had to have three cars (one for the weekday, track and weekend) and I couldn't agree more, what else do you need for a daily car. The M5 should have kept the V10, agreeing with Matt here, because it gave the M5 a musical identity. The sound right now seems too hidden, sure the right exhaust makes this car sound amazing but without it, it feels muted. I just wish they tested the Competition Package, you don't see too many reviews on that.

Great review IMO.
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      02-11-2014, 11:01 AM   #94
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This is a BMW forum - I'm not sure why having fans of BMW's on this forum would be a revelation or surprise to anyone.

There's no value-add in this review at all. I have no idea why they would post it - save to see a 3 page long thread on a BMW forum full of people talking about how odd the video is in general. If that was the case, mission accomplished.

The DCT commentary is absurd - anyone who has driven a 2014 M5 with DCT around town as a daily driver will tell you that provided you have settings for throttle and transmission in their most compliant (lowest) setting. It's smooth as can be.

I haven't had ANY electronic navigation guidance system that hasn't steered me wrong at some point. The first releases of Apple Maps had me driving through a cemetery in Atlanta. They've all got their issues - iDrive is no exception but it is better than most built-in car systems and Google online POI search added in 2014 has helped considerably. I'll listen to Brian Cooley for critical reviews of car tech, not Matt.

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      02-11-2014, 11:22 AM   #95
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Matt makes some good points. His problem is that he often oversteps his area of knowledge, which results in him looking like a dope (he's not). He's also prone to contrary opinions. Not a lot of reviewers criticize the DCT on the basis that it's "not a very good automatic". They might dislike it on a principle basis -- sports cars should have manual gearboxes, they'll say -- but very, very few people criticize dual-clutch boxes for being poor automatics.

A good reviewer pays service to context. You can't evaluate the DCT against a torque converter automatic without making the context clear. What's puzzling is, I felt Matt made that clear in this (rather short) video. He said that it's great on the track, but not so great in stop/start traffic. In other words, I think this particular review was not an example of a contrary or contradictory viewpoint. The truth is, even though the DCT is a great auto-manual transmission, it's possible to catch it off guard around town or in stop-and-go traffic. Also, the uptake of the clutch pack in a dual-clutch gearbox isn't as smooth and consistent as a torque converter.

A lot of viewers seemed to have confused his "stop/start traffic" with the A.S.S. system in the M5. I don't believe that's what he was talking about, which clears up a lot of the confusion.

I thoroughly disagree with him on the iDrive comments, but that's an opinion. Tastes in infotainment systems run the gamut. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. Pulling out an example of poor routing is a bit disingenuous, because all systems suffer from that problem, but otherwise, it's down to whether or not you like the system.
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      02-11-2014, 11:26 AM   #96
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Reposting an earlier comment...wanted to get your take on this...

"So I posted a comment on YouTube for the video, and tweeted Drive about two things in the video....one, the obvious blunder of calling the color estoril blue. But also, in regards to the comp pack...the video states it is NOT a CP car, but the car in the video clearly has the black chrome exhaust tips. This is normally a part of the ZCP. So either BMW sent them a non-CP car and randomly changed out the exhaust tips, or they are indeed driving a ZCP car."
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      02-11-2014, 11:44 AM   #97
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Reposting an earlier comment...wanted to get your take on this...

"So I posted a comment on YouTube for the video, and tweeted Drive about two things in the video....one, the obvious blunder of calling the color estoril blue. But also, in regards to the comp pack...the video states it is NOT a CP car, but the car in the video clearly has the black chrome exhaust tips. This is normally a part of the ZCP. So either BMW sent them a non-CP car and randomly changed out the exhaust tips, or they are indeed driving a ZCP car."
You could be right; the tips do look more black chrome than chrome, though there isn't a very clear view.

The other indicator is that this car appears to sit lower than the standard M5 - which also indicates CP. Kind of hard to say for sure. Comparing it to other videos it's not clear.

Interesting...
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Kind of funny how there are numerous posts/threads on these forums about issues with suspension and steering issues/comments, as well as on DCT etc. Complaints about active sound, lack of noise from the exhaust and so on. The iDrive is not the first time being talked about.

But when someone else mentions these, basically minor, issues with some parts of the car, then he is a fat idiot... After all, he was like 80-90% positive...

Some of the comments here are really pathetic IMHO and Matt Farah comes out like a Knight in shining armour in comparison...

I hope not all fellow BMW owners are like this...
Agreed. I havent had my bmw for a long time but i hope i dont become like some of the people commenting in this thread

If matt says the car was jerky in traffic, then thats his experience with it. If matt says the nav failed him twice in a single day, then how can you expect him to say really good things about it? Judging by some of the other comments, hes not the only one.

Also, i wonder if all the people saying that the dct being jerky is nonsense have actually driven the car.
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Kind of funny how there are numerous posts/threads on these forums about issues with suspension and steering issues/comments, as well as on DCT etc. Complaints about active sound, lack of noise from the exhaust and so on. The iDrive is not the first time being talked about.

But when someone else mentions these, basically minor, issues with some parts of the car, then he is a fat idiot... After all, he was like 80-90% positive...

Some of the comments here are really pathetic IMHO and Matt Farah comes out like a Knight in shining armour in comparison...

I hope not all fellow BMW owners are like this...
+1, sounds like a bunch of the M5 guys are not open to criticism
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      02-11-2014, 12:22 PM   #100
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The BMW NAV is by far the best and easiest and best structured on the marked!
Honestly? Have you spent any time in a Japanese car? I love my M5 and am a huge fan and supporter of BMW - and I think the Nav is just fine. but there is no comparison between the Navs being used by the German automakers and those of the Japanese. The Japanese are far ahead of the Germans on all levels here. Of course, the Germans do so much other things better and I don't buy a car for the Nav.
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If you are going to do a review (and are a so called professional) and want to make the slightest attempt at sounding knowledgeable please in the very least know the color, chassis code (f30 edited out) and packages on the car you are reviewing....if you don't know keep your mouth shut instead of trying to sound like you do!

Wow more as Matt Fanboys on here coming to his defense than I thought!

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      02-11-2014, 12:32 PM   #102
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Wow, you guys are harsh. The review seemed fine to me.

Most of his complaints seem like things I've heard before.
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If you are going to do a review (and are a so called professional) and want to make the slightest attempt at sounding knowledgeable please in the very least know the color, chassis code (f30 edited out) and packages on the car you are reviewing....if you don't know keep your mouth shut instead of trying to sound like you do!

Wow more as Matt Fanboys on here coming to his defense than I thought!

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If you read my previous post you will see that I wasn't exactly coming across as a Matt Farah fanboy...

But there certainly are some sensitive fanatic BMW fanboys here
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+1, sounds like a bunch of the M5 guys are not open to criticism
Nope. M5 is the most perfect god given gift to mankind. Does this make me a fanboy?
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If you read my previous post you will see that I wasn't exactly coming across as a Matt Farah fanboy...

But there certainly are some sensitive fanatic BMW fanboys here
so what, it is a BMW forum. So be it. Go spend some time at Audizine, then you'll see what fanboism looks like.
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+1, sounds like a bunch of the M5 guys are not open to criticism
Nope. M5 is the most perfect god given gift to mankind. Does this make me a fanboy?
It is a great car, I prefer it's subtlety over the M6GC, which some say could be a flaw but I prefer that. However, no car is perfect, objectively speaking. To any owner, his/her car is perfect to them.
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It is a great car, I prefer it's subtlety over the M6GC, which some say could be a flaw but I prefer that. However, no car is perfect, objectively speaking. To any owner, his/her car is perfect to them.
Agreed. Honestly, I don't think I want any other 4 door sedan in the market. Well, maybe Panamera Turbo S but it costs almost twice as much for similar performance.
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I don't know what to say..i have seen his other reviews and does a good job, but this time totally blew it...wrong color to start with, then the "F30", DTC / Auto start Stop..who know what he meant by it..towards the end the comments says with out Comp Pkg, but i swear that car had black exhaust tips, which comes with the Comp Pkg..Drive totally blew it by posting that video, with out editing..or making corrections...and quit saying this car is fast...its 500+ Hp...it better be fast...
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Honestly? Have you spent any time in a Japanese car? I love my M5 and am a huge fan and supporter of BMW - and I think the Nav is just fine. but there is no comparison between the Navs being used by the German automakers and those of the Japanese. The Japanese are far ahead of the Germans on all levels here. Of course, the Germans do so much other things better and I don't buy a car for the Nav.
I'm curious which cars you're referring to. I've used the system in new Infinity and Lexus cars, and I definitely prefer BMW's iDrive.

You can't even enter a destination in the Lexus unless you're in park. I hate the mouse pointer thing that Lexus does. No wonder they don't want you using it while you're driving. The aesthetics on the Lexus system are horrible too. Some people don't care about that kind of thing, but I don't want my infotainment system to look like a 1990's government website.

Infiniti's system is a little bit better, because it doesn't use that stupid mouse cursor interface, but it's still horrific looking. I cannot tolerate an interface that looks like a designer applied every bevel and shadow "effect" they could find, while paying no attention to color palette. Infiniti gives you some dedicated buttons for common functions, which is cool, but I prefer the assignable system in BMW's cars.
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It is a great car, I prefer it's subtlety over the M6GC, which some say could be a flaw but I prefer that. However, no car is perfect, objectively speaking. To any owner, his/her car is perfect to them.
Agreed. Honestly, I don't think I want any other 4 door sedan in the market. Well, maybe Panamera Turbo S but it costs almost twice as much for similar performance.
Curious, the engine sound I hear in the video, is that the real or faked engine noise?
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