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      10-18-2011, 03:19 PM   #67
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Argue all you want about the benefits of the dct, there are still some of us that love the manual transmission and swear by it in every car they purchase. I have no doubt that the dct can shift faster and better than me as well as knock off a few tenths of a second in a 1/4 mile run, but it'll never allow for me to "learn" the cars traits as well as a manual can. The satisfaction of rowing through gears and hitting those perfectly rev matched shifts by your own skill is something only a true manual can give. Much respect to BMW for keeping this option alive.
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I'm in. I went from a 550i sport 6 speed to an E92 6 speed. Loved them both. This is next! Thank you BMW!!!!!
You nailed it - so happy they are still releasing this stuff! Definitely hope that people keep buying them so they keep making them!
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      10-19-2011, 02:50 AM   #69
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if your left foot is not pressing on the pedal its called automatic.
Left foot braking.


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Argue all you want about the benefits of the dct, there are still some of us that love the manual transmission and swear by it in every car they purchase. I have no doubt that the dct can shift faster and better than me as well as knock off a few tenths of a second in a 1/4 mile run, but it'll never allow for me to "learn" the cars traits as well as a manual can. The satisfaction of rowing through gears and hitting those perfectly rev matched shifts by your own skill is something only a true manual can give. Much respect to BMW for keeping this option alive.
No argument re: enjoying manual transmission, rowing thru gears, etc - to each his own. However, re: "perfectly rev matched shifts," it's only a best attempt w/ manual transmissions. Sure, you can, with practice, come close to perfect rev matches, but it's not perfect; whereas, DCT will do it perfectly each and every time.
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Left foot braking.
So you can brake and keep accelerating at the same time
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      10-19-2011, 10:49 AM   #71
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      10-19-2011, 01:50 PM   #73
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if your left foot is not pressing on the pedal its called automatic.
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Argue all you want about the benefits of the dct, there are still some of us that love the manual transmission and swear by it in every car they purchase. I have no doubt that the dct can shift faster and better than me as well as knock off a few tenths of a second in a 1/4 mile run, but it'll never allow for me to "learn" the cars traits as well as a manual can. The satisfaction of rowing through gears and hitting those perfectly rev matched shifts by your own skill is something only a true manual can give. Much respect to BMW for keeping this option alive.
No argument re: enjoying manual transmission, rowing thru gears, etc - to each his own. However, re: "perfectly rev matched shifts," it's only a best attempt w/ manual transmissions. Sure, you can, with practice, come close to perfect rev matches, but it's not perfect; whereas, DCT will do it perfectly each and every time.
To reiterate my previous post, I have no doubt that the DCT is capable of a better shift than I am. The term "perfect" may not have been the best choice of words to describe manual shifting, however, the real point I was trying to get across was that manual shifting is accomplished by your own skill, not by a computer. personally, I find the learning element part of the fun when driving a new car, but that's just me, I'm old school.
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It's like microwaving and regular cooking on a stove. Sure microwaving is faster but I just like cooking the old fashioned way because it tastes better
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It's like microwaving and regular cooking on a stove. Sure microwaving is faster but I just like cooking the old fashioned way because it tastes better
I love this analogy!
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      10-20-2011, 05:14 PM   #77
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I drive a stick but, I can not deny that the manual transmissions days are numbered. This will probably be the last M5 offered in stick. I don't know why this topic always turns into a big debate. If you like autos or vice versa you will not be turned the other way. Since were on the topic, DCT M5 for me. Stick shift feels out of date to me ever since I drove a DCT M3.
I am actually not quite sure about that. The fact that BMW chooses to release the new M5 with a manual in the US is a key point that they acknowledge that a lot of enthusiasts only consider this sort of car with a manual.
I also found interesting that VW chose to release its new Golf R only in Manual in the US, while the previous R32 was DSG only...

DCT, PDK, DSG etc are fantastic and there is no doubt in my mind that they outperform manuals (and there drivers) in term of performance but I still think a lot of drivers (I am one of them) want to be more mechanically involved with their cars.
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Happy about the fact that they are giving us options - they are releasing it properly this time from the beginning. This car is destined to be a huge winner for BMW. I wonder how this new engine will respond to the MT. I will always be a manual driver but after owning the 135i I found that 6MT turbo charged engines are really hard to control and blip/downshift properly. Can't wait to hear reviews.
The F10 550i 6MT has some sort of rev matching technology which "blips" the throttle for you. I couldn't imagine M leaving this out in building their flagship.
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The F10 550i 6MT has some sort of rev matching technology which "blips" the throttle for you.
It does? I was not aware of this. I'll have to hit google and see what I can find.

I hope this something that the driver can turn off via IDrive.

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I couldn't imagine M leaving this out in building their flagship.
Actually, I could see M5 customers being annoyed by it unless they can turn it off. A big reason that people prefer a manual transmission is the satisfaction of rev-matching the downshifts.
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It does? I was not aware of this. I'll have to hit google and see what I can find.

I hope this something that the driver can turn off via IDrive.



Actually, I could see M5 customers being annoyed by it unless they can turn it off. A big reason that people prefer a manual transmission is the satisfaction of rev-matching the downshifts.
Agreed!
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just like E39, this car should only come in manual transmission.

BMW with automatic transmission is not authentic BMW.
DCT is not automatic. It's still manual, an AUTOMATED manual transmission. Do some research, "pure" BMW driver!
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DCT is so far from an automatic (even a "better" automatic). Foot (human) operated clutches will become obsolete.

I understand if you prefer to row gears...as I did in every car prior to my M3....but the DCT is and will always be the superior gearbox, in every aspect.
Not in reliability or initial cost and especially maintenance costs. A m5 with a real manual will be trucking on at 200k miles as where a dct will have cost you thousands and will not be working like new at much less miles. At 200k it will be in the junk yard not in a collectors garage.
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