Renderings and Rumors: 2017 BMW 5 Series to Receive 3 Cylinder and M5 Over 600 HP

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Renderings and Rumors: 2017 BMW 5 Series to Receive 3 Cylinder and M5 Over 600 HP

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Autobild is reporting that the next generation 2017 BMW 5 Series will add a 3 cylinder turbodiesel model in certain markets.

The 3 cylinder turbodiesel 5 Series is rumored to output 150 HP (110 kW) and sip diesel at just 3.9 liters / 100 km (60 MPG US / 72 MPG UK). The next gen 5 Series will ride on a new platform which it will share with the next gen 6 Series and 7 Series.

The report goes on to predict that the next M5 model will feature power in excess of 600 HP and will be offered with optional all-wheel-drive (as previously reported).

The next gen 5 Series is expected to hit the market in mid 2016. The touring model prototype has already been spied in testing (spy pics).

Speculative/imaginative renderings by Autobild:

[Hoopumpers]

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M5 based on 7 platform. I didn't think these cars could get much bigger. I was wrong.

[Beck]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

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M5 based on 7 platform. I didn't think these cars could get much bigger. I was wrong.

Your F10 M5 (and all F10 5 series) also shares a platform with the current 7 series.

[kANdO]

don't like that back end vs. current. Looks too much like and E-class. And I don't like the backend on an E-Class.

[stealth.pilot]

Looks excellent. Clear evolution of current design. Very BMW like.

[Boss330]

More info from the AutoBild article:

Die Werkstoffe, aus denen die Plattform gefertigt wird, zum Beispiel Aluminium, Kohlefaser oder leichte Stähle, können in unterschiedlichen Anteilen untereinander gemischt werden.

The materials from which the body is made​​, for example, aluminum, carbon fiber or light steel, may be mixed in various proportions with each other.

Comment on the M5 by Georg Kacher (one of the most respected and informed journalists in Europe):

Er ist (als M5) bis zu 180 Kilogramm leichter. Bis 14 Prozent sparsamer. Deutlich spritziger schon bei niedrigen Drehzahlen. Vorbereitet für aufladbaren Elektroantrieb und teilautonomes Fahren. Und wertiger. Dazu ein neues Design mit sportlichem Touch und besonders gediegenem Interieur. Keine Frage: Auch dieser 5er wird seinen Weg machen.

It is (as M5) up to 180 kg lighter. Up to 14 percent more fuel efficient. Significantly quicker even at lower revs. Prepared for rechargeable electric drive and semi-autonomous driving. And higher quality. A new design with a sporty touch and particularly elegant interior. No question, this 5 Series will also make its way.

The M5 will be 180kg lighter, or 400lbs (396lbs)

All just rumours at this point in time though...

[MJones3]

I have yet to see a render of a car which is several years from being built that is even remotely accurate. So I wouldn't take these too seriously.

[turbolag]

Doesn't the F10 make 620 crank hp?

[RPiM5]

Here's my next generation M5 wish list (cause I'm bored ):


- Do not make the chassis bigger
- Under 4,000lbs due to the use of lighter aluminum and CFRP.
- The next engine will probably still be turbo charged. I have almost no idea where they can go from here with ///M engines. Quad turbo Inline 6 maybe? I hope not, but I just hope that it redlines higher than the S55 engine. I also hope that ///M will take the time to create a bespoke ///M engine, no matter if it is turbo charged or not.
- Use of KERS system
- Use of Active Aerodynamics
- 10 speed DCT
- Carbon Fiber Roof Option
- Optional AWD for those who want to beat Mercedes and Audi at their own game.
- Better more direct feeling steering system (we'll see how good the EPS is in the M4 though).

That's all I can think of for now.

[04S]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Here's my next generation M5 wish list (cause I'm bored ):


- Do not make the chassis bigger
- Under 4,000lbs due to the use of lighter aluminum and CFRP.
- The next engine will probably still be turbo charged. I have almost no idea where they can go from here with ///M engines. Quad turbo Inline 6 maybe? I hope not, but I just hope that it redlines higher than the S55 engine. I also hope that ///M will take the time to create a bespoke ///M engine, no matter if it is turbo charged or not.
- Use of KERS system
- Use of Active Aerodynamics
- 10 speed DCT
- Carbon Fiber Roof Option
- Optional AWD for those who want to beat Mercedes and Audi at their own game.
- Better more direct feeling steering system (we'll see how good the EPS is in the M4 though).

That's all I can think of for now.

You left out flux capacitor.

10 speed DCT. Really ?

[Hoopumpers]

Originally Posted by Beck

Your F10 M5 (and all F10 5 series) also shares a platform with the current 7 series.

Is that true? I know the M6GC shares with the 7. Didn't know F10 does as well.

[Greer]

Please BMW, do not make the next generation M5 any longer then it is now.

[infamousq]

I don't really like it to much right now I would still prefer the current LCI 5 series over the "rumor" but if the new M5 is 400lbs lighter and 600+ HP then that may be game......we will see.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Aussie F10M

You left out flux capacitor.

10 speed DCT. Really ?

+1
Contradicts the weight saving measures, same with KERS, as to provide noticeable boost in a road car, the batteries will need to big quite large

Agree that adopting i car tech (carbon fibre + lighter hybrid materials) is the next logical move.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Zlaatan

I have yet to see a render of a car which is several years from being built that is even remotely accurate. So I wouldn't take these too seriously.

Although not bad for a photoshop job on the F10. Liking the modern take on the 'shark nose' front end.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Here's my next generation M5 wish list (cause I'm bored ):


- Do not make the chassis bigger
- Under 4,000lbs due to the use of lighter aluminum and CFRP.
- The next engine will probably still be turbo charged. I have almost no idea where they can go from here with ///M engines. Quad turbo Inline 6 maybe? I hope not, but I just hope that it redlines higher than the S55 engine. I also hope that ///M will take the time to create a bespoke ///M engine, no matter if it is turbo charged or not.
- Use of KERS system
- Use of Active Aerodynamics
- 10 speed DCT
- Carbon Fiber Roof Option
- Optional AWD for those who want to beat Mercedes and Audi at their own game.
- Better more direct feeling steering system (we'll see how good the EPS is in the M4 though).

That's all I can think of for now.

According to the original source for this thread (the AutoBild article linked to in the OP):

The next M5 will have a "4l V8 twin turbo engine".

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

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M5 based on 7 platform. I didn't think these cars could get much bigger. I was wrong.

According to the AutoBild article, the next gen 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 series will be built on the new "35UP" platform, which debuts in the next gen 7-series.

Which means that even though some tech is shared in the platform, there will obviously be room for differences as a 3-series can't have the same size as a 7-series.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

+1
Contradicts the weight saving measures, same with KERS, as to provide noticeable boost in a road car, the batteries will need to big quite large

Agree that adopting i car tech (carbon fibre + lighter hybrid materials) is the next logical move.

Many automakers are pouring R&D into more efficient DCT's. I've heard that there is currently development for 8 speed DCT's and 10 speed DCT's. Yeah they might weigh a little more, but imagine the fuel economy with your rpm's at 800rpm while cruising on the highway at 80mph. Then if you want "racecar mode", the DCT can almost instantaneously shift down to 3rd gear from 10th gear because it's a DCT and it's fast!

Also with the advancements that are being made in battery technology, such as with Tesla's batteries and the further development with them from BMW i, batteries will become lighter, hold more charge, and will be able to power 2 50hp motors to the rear wheels for a 20-30 second boost of horsepower, without adding too much weight. The power required to power the motors for an extra 20 seconds or so can't be that much, and may only require a short time to charge them back up from the things like regenerative braking systems.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Boss330

According to the original source for this thread (the AutoBild article linked to in the OP):

The next M5 will have a "4l V8 twin turbo engine".

If it is another Twin Turbo V8, I hope they make it have a higher redline and more effieciency. Not that I care about efficiency, but's the direction I know they are heading anyways. Claiming 30% more fuel efficient than the old S85 V10 was easy, because that old V10 was so horrible at gas consumption. Making the another engine TT V8 that is 30% more fuel efficient than the S63tu, will be a feat of engineering I say.

[VintageFerrari]

Originally Posted by Beck

Your F10 M5 (and all F10 5 series) also shares a platform with the current 7 series.

It does?

The 740i (i.e. I'm not even talking about the longer 740iL) has a wheelbase of 120.9". The M5 has a wheelbase of 116.7". Not to mention the 740i's overall length exceeds that of the M5 by some 6.3".

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

If it is another Twin Turbo V8, I hope they make it have a higher redline and more effieciency. Not that I care about efficiency, but's the direction I know they are heading anyways. Claiming 30% more fuel efficient than the old S85 V10 was easy, because that old V10 was so horrible at gas consumption. Making the another engine TT V8 that is 30% more fuel efficient than the S63tu, will be a feat of engineering I say.

According to the same article, the next M5 will "only" be up to 14% more efficient...

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/neuer...--4432232.html

(See Georg Kacher's comment)

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Also with the advancements that are being made in battery technology, such as with Tesla's batteries and the further development with them from BMW i, batteries will become lighter, hold more charge, and will be able to power 2 50hp motors to the rear wheels for a 20-30 second boost of horsepower, without adding too much weight. The power required to power the motors for an extra 20 seconds or so can't be that much, and may only require a short time to charge them back up from the things like regenerative braking systems.

I can see BMW using a fair amount of carbon fibre in the next m5 as most of us have probably provided feedback about the weight, however, can't see boost type KERS in the next gen (more dev needed IMO). Overheating has been a problem in F1 and even though there has been a switch to super capacitors, I doubt if any of us want an M5 as reliable as Mark Webber's Red Bull! 600hp definitely; can never have too much in reserve , although if it is from 4l, then @ 150hp/l probably will need high revs to achieve (although reliability becomes an issue again) so next gen may deliver a lot of your wish list.