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      11-02-2014, 08:44 AM   #1
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Dinan stage 1 breaks the 130mph trap barrier on 93 octane

I new she had more in it so I went back out this morning to my testing road and did this on plain old 93 octane without a roll out. I think we can put the Dinan vs BMS discussion to rest.
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Nice!

What was your 0-150mph time?
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What was your 0-150mph time?
15.4 sec with no rollout .
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Didn't you run 11.50@132.8 a few weeks ago on the BMS tune? Same road if I am reading the other thread right...
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Didn't you run 11.50@132.8 a few weeks ago on the BMS tune? Same road if I am reading the other thread right...
It wasn't valid GPS signal cut out and made it overestimate . Trap speed of that run was only 129.5 with a peak speed of 131 and an ET of 11.7 according to VBox tools but as I said it wasn't valid . Either way this was a faster peak speed and the trap was almost 1 mph faster either way , not to mention the ET is .2 sec quicker . Also had the fastest 0-100 7.2 sec with DInan as well . The 60-130 on this run within the 1/4 mile matched my fastest ever isolated ( starting from 50 mph makes it dig quicker ) as well . 1/2 mile trap of 158 without rollout was limited by the limiter .
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Didn't you run 11.50@132.8 a few weeks ago on the BMS tune? Same road if I am reading the other thread right...
Here is the Vbox tools analysis of that BMS run . When it loses signal apparently the iPhone app becomes inaccurate . Hasn't happened much but now I check .
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It wasn't valid GPS signal cut out and made it overestimate . Trap speed of that run was only 129.5 with a peak speed of 131 and an ET of 11.7 according to VBox tools but as I said it wasn't valid . Either way this was a faster peak speed and the trap was almost 1 mph faster either way , not to mention the ET is .2 sec quicker . Also had the fastest 0-100 7.2 sec with DInan as well . The 60-130 on this run within the 1/4 mile matched my fastest ever isolated ( starting from 50 mph makes it dig quicker ) as well . 1/2 mile trap of 158 without rollout was limited by the limiter .
I didn't realize that was the case, there isn't a mention anywhere in the thread that there was a problem and although I can't read the report detail well all of them say the results are valid.. In case we are talking past each other I am talking about your thread from 10/05
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It wasn't valid GPS signal cut out and made it overestimate . Trap speed of that run was only 129.5 with a peak speed of 131 and an ET of 11.7 according to VBox tools but as I said it wasn't valid . Either way this was a faster peak speed and the trap was almost 1 mph faster either way , not to mention the ET is .2 sec quicker . Also had the fastest 0-100 7.2 sec with DInan as well . The 60-130 on this run within the 1/4 mile matched my fastest ever isolated ( starting from 50 mph makes it dig quicker ) as well . 1/2 mile trap of 158 without rollout was limited by the limiter .
I didn't realize that was the case, there isn't a mention anywhere in the thread that there was a problem and although I can't read the report detail well it doesn't look to have reported issues.. My mistake I guess..
It says results invalid , invalid sample rate in red letters . No worries i didn't think to check at the time, as I just ran the reports for the 60-130's . As you can see the trap on that run is still slower 129.7 mph vs 130.5 with the DINAN even if it did count .
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you need to hit the strip man, car is moving great.
I know , I'm not going back to that shit hole in Aiken so everything else decent is a major road trip . I'll try to get up to Darlington or Fayetteville next month . I'd also like to have the Stage 2 tune on before going and am still waiting for it .
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It says results invalid , invalid sample rate in red letters . No worries i didn't think to check at the time, as I just ran the reports for the 60-130's . As you can see the trap on that run is still slower 129.7 mph vs 130.5 with the DINAN even if it did count .
Nice data! I can tell by all your posts you're really excited about your new tune but I have to say just looking at all the performance data you've posted along with the dyno data I've seen others post both tunes they look very comparable to me. Within run to run variance.

For people who want to qualify for extended warranty, leased their car, etc, where Dinan isn't an option, the BMS Stage1 has a lot to offer for the price. And they are happy to work with customers to adjust the tuning to their driving taste.

Stay safe out there!

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Mike, my local BMW dealer said they would install Dinan equipment on my leased M5.

I didn't realize the Dinan tune would be discouraged on a leased vehicle.

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Mike, my local BMW dealer said they would install Dinan equipment on my leased M5.

I didn't realize the Dinan tune would be discouraged on a leased vehicle.

Dave
Check out the Dinan T&Cs to get a feel for what he is referring to.. It includes details on how the factory warranty is augmented/replaced in part, and how it voids any CPO warranty, obviously the CPO warranty issues are not applicable to the initial leasee however I am not sure how BMW handles turn in when they cannot sell it as a CPO car.
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I guess I would have thought the SA at the BMW dealer that performs the Dinan installs would have mentioned that to me. He made it sound like it was not a big deal and actually was excited that I was considering the Dinan tune. I will call and double check just to make sure.

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It says results invalid , invalid sample rate in red letters . No worries i didn't think to check at the time, as I just ran the reports for the 60-130's . As you can see the trap on that run is still slower 129.7 mph vs 130.5 with the DINAN even if it did count .
Nice data! I can tell by all your posts you're really excited about your new tune but I have to say just looking at all the performance data you've posted along with the dyno data I've seen others post both tunes they look very comparable to me. Within run to run variance.

For people who want to qualify for extended warranty, leased their car, etc, where Dinan isn't an option, the BMS Stage1 has a lot to offer for the price. And they are happy to work with customers to adjust the tuning to their driving taste.

Stay safe out there!

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Mike my 0-100mph time avg is 7.2 sec with the Dinan , never have I gotten below 7.6 with the BMS . It's significantly quicker with much better transmission function and drivetrain response . The 102.5 mph 1/8th mile trap is also the fastest I have had by over 1mph . In the 1/4 trap speed is very close I agree but I have never had a trap over 130 with the BMS even set to 3.5 . 60-130 mph is where they are the closest on a good DA day but there seems to be much less variability with the Dinan . It's a better tune in every way unless you are planning on doing meth period . You have to drive both setups to understand , the Dinan feels OEM but with more power . I'm a road course guy and having good throttle modulation and engine response is a must for me . A delay and then non linear throttle is a no go to getting the most out of a car and it's a lot less fun . I could care less what things make on a dyno as I don't drive on one , I want to have fun . With the Dinan set up ( even stage 1) my car is a shit ton more fun and envolving to drive .If Terry would make a JB4 setup for the S63 TU then it would be another story , but as it exists now you get what you pay for .
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Mike, my local BMW dealer said they would install Dinan equipment on my leased M5.

I didn't realize the Dinan tune would be discouraged on a leased vehicle.

Dave
It's dealer specific , and I certainly would have rather had the Dinan tune on a used car than the BMS where an idiot could run it at + 5 on pump gas. I personally think very little of people who install tunes and then hide it from the dealer . You have to be willing pay to play . I have found being open and honest to be the best policy .
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I guess I would have thought the SA at the BMW dealer that performs the Dinan installs would have mentioned that to me. He made it sound like it was not a big deal and actually was excited that I was considering the Dinan tune. I will call and double check just to make sure.

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I'd consult a professional for anything like this but my reading of BMW's lease agreement is that you agree not to modify the vehicle. Dinan flags the VIN with BMW. So there is a potential conflict there.

The Dinan warranty also excludes coverage for any non-Dinan parts. Like downpipes, intakes, etc, so if say a turbo were to blow, and Dinan was aware of the non-Dinan parts, they could decide to deny warranty coverage. Dinan's warranty also excludes racing.

Some warranty is better than no warranty and I don't want to scare anyone away from Dinan. But there are some details to consider.

At the end of the day modding a car should be done with consideration and knowing some things can go wrong. This goes with tunes and any other aftermarket parts.

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Mike my 0-100mph time avg is 7.2 sec with the Dinan , never have I gotten below 7.6 with the BMS . It's significantly quicker with much better transmission function and drivetrain response . The 102.5 mph 1/8th mile trap is also the fastest I have had by over 1mph . In the 1/4 trap speed is very close I agree but I have never had a trap over 130 with the BMS even set to 3.5 . 60-130 mph is where they are the closest on a good DA day but there seems to be much less variability with the Dinan . It's a better tune in every way unless you are planning on doing meth period . You have to drive both setups to understand , the Dinan feels OEM but with more power . I'm a road course guy and having good throttle modulation and engine response is a must for me . A delay and then non linear throttle is a no go to getting the most out of a car and it's a lot less fun . I could care less what things make on a dyno as I don't drive on one , I want to have fun . With the Dinan set up ( even stage 1) my car is a shit ton more fun and envolving to drive .If Terry would make a JB4 setup for the S63 TU then it would be another story , but as it exists now you get what you pay for .
In this thread you run 7.5s 0-100mph on the factory tuning and 11.4s 1/4 mile 128.5mph traps. So a better 1/4 mile time with the factory tuning than either either tuning system... lol. 0-60 and 0-100 are more about traction and how good the start is than anything else. The trap speeds are a good indicator of average power throughout the run.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=928061

On your DCT issues or whatever other issues you had with the Stage1 tune, you could have contacted BMS to sort those out if you wanted. And if anyone out there is unhappy with the partial throttle response, shifting, etc, I'd encourage them to work with BMS so the Stage1 firmware can be improved for everyone. To date other than you they've never heard any complaints about the shifting.

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I'd consult a professional for anything like this but my reading of BMW's lease agreement is that you agree not to modify the vehicle. Dinan flags the VIN with BMW. So there is a potential conflict there.

The Dinan warranty also excludes coverage for any non-Dinan parts. Like downpipes, intakes, etc, so if say a turbo were to blow, and Dinan was aware of the non-Dinan parts, they could decide to deny warranty coverage. Dinan's warranty also excludes racing.

Some warranty is better than no warranty and I don't want to scare anyone away from Dinan. But there are some details to consider.

At the end of the day modding a car should be done with consideration and knowing some things can go wrong. This goes with tunes and any other aftermarket parts.

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Mike my 0-100mph time avg is 7.2 sec with the Dinan , never have I gotten below 7.6 with the BMS . It's significantly quicker with much better transmission function and drivetrain response . The 102.5 mph 1/8th mile trap is also the fastest I have had by over 1mph . In the 1/4 trap speed is very close I agree but I have never had a trap over 130 with the BMS even set to 3.5 . 60-130 mph is where they are the closest on a good DA day but there seems to be much less variability with the Dinan . It's a better tune in every way unless you are planning on doing meth period . You have to drive both setups to understand , the Dinan feels OEM but with more power . I'm a road course guy and having good throttle modulation and engine response is a must for me . A delay and then non linear throttle is a no go to getting the most out of a car and it's a lot less fun . I could care less what things make on a dyno as I don't drive on one , I want to have fun . With the Dinan set up ( even stage 1) my car is a shit ton more fun and envolving to drive .If Terry would make a JB4 setup for the S63 TU then it would be another story , but as it exists now you get what you pay for .
In this thread you run 7.5s 0-100mph on the factory tuning and 11.4s 1/4 mile 128.5mph traps. So a better 1/4 mile time with the factory tuning than either either tuning system... lol. 0-60 and 0-100 are more about traction and how good the start is than anything else. The trap speeds are a good indicator of average power throughout the run.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=928061

On your DCT issues or whatever other issues you had with the Stage1 tune, you could have contacted BMS to sort those out if you wanted. And if anyone out there is unhappy with the partial throttle response, shifting, etc, I'd encourage them to work with BMS so the Stage1 firmware can be improved for everyone. To date other than you they've never heard any complaints about the shifting.

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Yep it did 11.45 with a 128.5 terminal Vbox speed not trap on a -2200 DA . That's as favorable air as I have ever seen . This comparison was done same location on close to 0 DA . The Dinan works like OEM power delivery and DCT wise so it's just as easy as stock to put down a good ET thus me consistently putting down 11.5's on street tires on a non prepped surface. Of course high HP / Tq is traction limited but that doesn't change the fact that the Dinan in the same conditions is significantly quicker . I'm sure if I come along to a -2k DA I can get an even faster time and a higher trap . About getting help there is nothing to fix with stage 1 it's only a boost controller and has limitations . If it were a JB 4 set up then it would have been a different story . The BMS was good but the Dinan is significantly better Bc it is full tuning product like the JB4 . Dinan has set parameters and doesn't allow end user tweaking BC they provide a warranty which is understandable . Again IF we had a JB4 for the S63Tu then I wouldn't have had to switch . That is totally not the case however . I have given my honest comparison , if you didn't like it fine but that doesn't make it invalid .
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Yep it did 11.45 with a 128.5 terminal Vbox speed not trap on a -2200 DA . That's as favorable air as I have ever seen . This comparison was done same location on close to 0 DA . The Dinan works like OEM power delivery and DCT wise so it's just as easy as stock to put down a good ET thus me consistently putting down 11.5's on street tires on a non prepped surface. Of course high HP / Tq is traction limited but that doesn't change the fact that the Dinan in the same conditions is significantly quicker . I'm sure if I come along to a -2k DA I can get an even faster time and a higher trap . About getting help there is nothing to fix with stage 1 it's only a boost controller and has limitations . If it were a JB 4 set up then it would have been a different story . The BMS was good but the Dinan is significantly better Bc it is full tuning product like the JB4 . Dinan has set parameters and doesn't allow end user tweaking BC they provide a warranty which is understandable . Again IF we had a JB4 for the S63Tu then I wouldn't have had to switch . That is totally not the case however . I have given my honest comparison , if you didn't like it fine but that doesn't make it invalid .
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Don't get the wrong idea, I value your opinion and data greatly and appreciate all the time you have taken to do the testing and posting, as I am sure a lot of members here also appreciate it.

On the Stage1 you're aware it's the same box used in the n63 Stage2 where wires for air/fuel and timing are connected right? BMS had the fuel and timing control connected to their M5 before switching to meth. The box doesn't have CANbus (e.g. it's not a JB4) but there is a lot more they can do with it if customers have specific areas they need help with. In other words just because you are saying nothing can be done doesn't make it so. Someone would just need to email in and ask for help.

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