M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > BMW M5 (F10) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-17-2013, 09:25 AM   #1
(H)
Lieutenant
(H)'s Avatar
United_States
156
Rep
592
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 (after F10 M5 ;-)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Now Boca Raton, FL

iTrader: (0)

Question How detrimental is drifting?

Dear All,

Once in a while, and when road conditions and traffic allows (for example on large private industrial parking lots etc.) I like to hone my driving skills. Part of that is mastering sharp turns with an occasional drift. I grew up with manual transmission front wheel drive and parking brake drift approach. You can imagine how much I have to get used to just creating enough spin on the rear wheels to create the same smooth swing of the rear end. Will need a lot more practice.

Now the drifting out of the rear end of the car feels fine and not to rough on the vehicle over all (other than the audible loss of rubber and the idea of a set of spare tires approaching fast). However, after counter steering it feels rather rough on the wheels, suspension, trim and chassis when the car gets a firm grip on all four wheels again. You can obviously feel your body being tossed around quite a bit when that happens. I am trying to compensate that with a bit more throttle but there is always a remaining strong side force on the vehicle.

So: How detrimental is such driving practice really?

H
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 09:48 AM   #2
Rob///M5
Major
Rob///M5's Avatar
76
Rep
1,341
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 SSII
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [10.00]
More throttle during counter steer. Should be a smooth transition back to straight

You're not going to hurt a ///M by drifting it, unless you drift it into a parking lot lamp post
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 11:46 AM   #3
wisesoul
Savoir Faire
wisesoul's Avatar
Philippines
74
Rep
1,772
Posts

Drives: 2013 BMW M5
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Los Angeles, Ca

iTrader: (0)

These things BEG to be drifted, I feel like it could compete in a drift competition if it had a normal handbrake! Don't worry about it. Ease off the throttle and reduce counter steer after the drift so you don't regain grip so abruptly.
__________________
Current: Alpine White F10 M5|H&R springs|12mm/10mm spacers|Eisenmann Race
Sold:Imola Yellow RS4-KW V3|MTM 10mm spacers|Hotchkis rear sway bar|APR Stage 1|Milltek Catless|RNS-E|Euro RS4 Flat bottom Steering Wheel
Sold:E46 323i
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 11:56 AM   #4
nugent
Captain
nugent's Avatar
United_States
65
Rep
602
Posts

Drives: f10 m5
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: san francisco

iTrader: (0)

how do you guys initiate drift? with this car, i find you can just mash throttle mid turn without need to first unbalance car by turning in opposite direction.
__________________
e92 m3 6MT, RS4 6MT, S4 Avant 6MT, WRX 5MT, Corsica

Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 11:57 AM   #5
itsme123
Second Lieutenant
18
Rep
214
Posts

Drives: 2013 MCB F10 M5
Join Date: May 2010
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of how the car reacts. Your throttle control is a bit rough. 500 lb of torque demands a bit of smoother throttle modulation.

But I read some where that you are not suppose to treat your M Cars like sports cars, so stop abusing it!
__________________
I hate M Cars!!!!!!!!

E46 M3
S71 X6M
F10 M5
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 12:20 PM   #6
h4nh
Major
h4nh's Avatar
United_States
237
Rep
1,095
Posts

Drives: 09 SC E90 M3 / 13 F10 M5
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 E90 M3 (superc ...  [10.00]
2013 M5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by itsme123 View Post
Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of how the car reacts. Your throttle control is a bit rough. 500 lb of torque demands a bit of smoother throttle modulation.

But I read some where that you are not suppose to treat your M Cars like sports cars, so stop abusing it!
but it's under warranty
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #7
B-1Pilot
Yankee Air Pirate
B-1Pilot's Avatar
151
Rep
978
Posts

Drives: '14 M5 w/CP
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: In a Hot Place

iTrader: (0)

Well it holds the world record for drifting, so...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ift-video.html
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 03:22 PM   #8
richard in NC
Colonel
United_States
1225
Rep
2,602
Posts

Drives: 2009 Z4 35i
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Charlotte, NC

iTrader: (0)

Consider the E60 M5s did hot lap drifts every day at the BMW Performance Center. I think the last ones were in service nearly 3 years and still felt very tight. Oh and they chew thru 300 tires a month on 100 cars. Probably most sets on the hot lap cars.
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 08:09 PM   #9
itsme123
Second Lieutenant
18
Rep
214
Posts

Drives: 2013 MCB F10 M5
Join Date: May 2010
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nh View Post
but it's under warranty
No seriously....M cars are stupid. Now back to OP's topic.
__________________
I hate M Cars!!!!!!!!

E46 M3
S71 X6M
F10 M5
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 08:46 PM   #10
mdosu
Banned
No_Country
312
Rep
8,496
Posts

Drives: Double Vanos'd Civic-M3
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (6)

it's detrimental to you PSSs
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 09:01 PM   #11
(H)
Lieutenant
(H)'s Avatar
United_States
156
Rep
592
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 (after F10 M5 ;-)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Now Boca Raton, FL

iTrader: (0)

Perceived Stress Scale?
Appreciate 0
      06-17-2013, 11:51 PM   #12
kiwistu
First Lieutenant
New Zealand
32
Rep
327
Posts

Drives: Black F82 M3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Zealand

iTrader: (0)

Hi Everyone

I have done one track day (well morning) with my m5, bone dry did 50+ nice and not so nice drifts...no problem what so ever, car is so powerful hardly knows its doing it. Full throttle launches would be much harsher (IMO)

Did 20+ track days in my m3 with heaps of laugh out load sideways action incl one memorable session where I got down to the canvas on both rears....

Search 1Kiwistu on youtube, shows me in my m3 then m5 doing a few little grinds at Hampton Downs (our track here in Auckland NZ)

Go for it, just NOT on the road, cars parks yes, the m5 in particular is preatty wild when you get it wrong...which you will!

Enjoy car was made for it

Cheers
stu
__________________

Last edited by kiwistu; 06-18-2013 at 12:13 AM..
Appreciate 0
      06-18-2013, 01:54 AM   #13
MasterDank
Boats & Hoes
MasterDank's Avatar
United_States
19
Rep
345
Posts

Drives: 13 F10 M5 Sakhir Orang,Chohiba
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: K-Town HI

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent View Post
how do you guys initiate drift? with this car, i find you can just mash throttle mid turn without need to first unbalance car by turning in opposite direction.
The first technique is called power sliding the second is called the Scandinavian flick.. Both can be used... The easiest on the F10 M5 to control and predict is power sliding the accelerator being the cause and control of slide angle, simplifies the amount of inputs to be corrected. The Scandinavian flick having a lot more variables to learn about a certain car/tire/road setup.

No hand brake cuts that option out. Thats why I opted for the manual, but you can easily drift the DCT.

Aloha
Alex
__________________
Change is inevitable Progress Is optional
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2013, 06:29 PM   #14
Konig Ludwig
Second Lieutenant
Konig Ludwig's Avatar
74
Rep
258
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Portland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by (H) View Post
Dear All,

Once in a while, and when road conditions and traffic allows (for example on large private industrial parking lots etc.) I like to hone my driving skills. Part of that is mastering sharp turns with an occasional drift. I grew up with manual transmission front wheel drive and parking brake drift approach. You can imagine how much I have to get used to just creating enough spin on the rear wheels to create the same smooth swing of the rear end. Will need a lot more practice.

Now the drifting out of the rear end of the car feels fine and not to rough on the vehicle over all (other than the audible loss of rubber and the idea of a set of spare tires approaching fast). However, after counter steering it feels rather rough on the wheels, suspension, trim and chassis when the car gets a firm grip on all four wheels again. You can obviously feel your body being tossed around quite a bit when that happens. I am trying to compensate that with a bit more throttle but there is always a remaining strong side force on the vehicle.

So: How detrimental is such driving practice really?

H
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2013, 10:31 PM   #15
(H)
Lieutenant
(H)'s Avatar
United_States
156
Rep
592
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 (after F10 M5 ;-)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Now Boca Raton, FL

iTrader: (0)

Am I the only one not getting Konig Ludwig's post?
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:39 PM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST