10-23-2013, 02:37 PM | #1 |
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Motor Trend Video: 2014 M5 Competition vs 2014 E63 AMG S
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com The dyno portion was a little misleading... the M5's trap speed kind of proves that they are making a lot closer power at the wheels than what is being shown on the dyno. I am also not a fan of the '14 E63's looks. |
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10-23-2013, 03:19 PM | #3 |
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come out of a canyon alive with an AMG? didn't think I would ever hear something like that. I don't care that the AMG "won" but it all felt biased for some reason. I love how Lieberman says he just wants to liposuction the m5 even though it is lighter than the AMG. Maybe AMG has just stepped up their game and it's not all about straight line power anymore
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10-23-2013, 03:28 PM | #4 |
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Is it just me or does every review of the M5 say it needs to lose some weight? But at the same time the competition (E63 & RS7) weigh about the same but yet they are not being critized as much as the M5.
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10-23-2013, 03:48 PM | #5 | |
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There have been references in numerous threads to drag racing calculators. They've been used to quote power numbers for the F10. The drag calculators are more realistic for something like a 4L60E than a modern 7spd DCT. The 7spd DCT is an incredible tool and really optimizes the performance for a given power level. Hence the very strong trap speed for the given power:weight for the bimmer. I don't like these testers either... seems like someone consumer reports should hire. |
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10-23-2013, 04:17 PM | #6 |
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Would have liked to see them race head-to-head from a roll - that's where the M5 shines. In my opinion, that's a much better test of real-world acceleration.
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10-23-2013, 04:34 PM | #7 |
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Was waiting patiently on this comparo. Wish they wouldve taken them to a racetrack. Either way......the AMG looks uninspiring to me. The AWD is a plus though because you can drive it all year around in the northeast. Ill stick to my M5 though ;-)
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10-23-2013, 04:41 PM | #8 |
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Agree with all the comments thus far. Also, and crucially, Johnny Liebermann needs liposuction not the lighter M5. I've always been suspicious of Johnny's credentials and this Merc love fest is no exception. Just a couple of guys driving cars and AFAIC, it's another win for the RWD M.
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10-23-2013, 05:24 PM | #10 |
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Lets assume for a moment the Merc is better. Not only because these two guys say so, but because the whole motor press specilized industry says so (by the way, this guy also disliked the M5 in a comparison with the Panamera). Do you really care? Aren t you happy with the car? Would any of you make a different purchase decision? Not me. I drive what I like, not what others think may best in class. |
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10-23-2013, 05:27 PM | #11 | |
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The DCT contributes to both a faster ET and trap for a given power to weight compared to an inferior transmission. This is best illustrated by comparing a given car available with a DCT and non-DCT transmission i.e. the e92 M3. The AWD contributes primarily to a lower ET when compared to RWD (assuming street tires) and contributes minimally if at all to a higher trap speed. This is best illustrated by comparing a car available in both rwd and awd, there are quite a few. "Finicky on a dyno". That's what you say when you don't know much about dyno's and you're suprised by the observed result i.e. have no other explanation. |
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10-23-2013, 05:28 PM | #12 | |
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10-23-2013, 06:07 PM | #14 |
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That dude has never liked the M5. Ever since the Panamera GTS comparo, he's never been fully convinced. Maybe he doesn't want to admit that it is as good as it is? Or perhaps the Benz really is king now. I'd like a run against a new E63 S on the highway. If anyone here buys one, let's have a friendly race
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Quoted for the truth here... still waiting for a real world tune for the S63tu. The M157 TT had a tune out 3 months after inception and it gave cars 70+ whp and 80 wtq. (if not more)
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10-23-2013, 06:16 PM | #16 |
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The Merc is for the normal guy who can't drive very well or appreciate a drivers car. Both of these two guys fit that bill perfectly. The Merc is for them, the BMW is for me.
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10-23-2013, 06:36 PM | #17 | |
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The AWD DOES help improve trap speeds as well as ETs. The more efficient you are during the quarter mile run, especially early on, the more effective distance you are allowing yourself to build speed. A good example is the Nissan GT-R running with and without launch control. The LC runs (in every test I have seen) always had a higher trap speed than the without LC runs. The LC allows the car to be more effificient off the line and allows more of the "track" to put down the power and hence the higher trap speed. The reason you see lower trap speeds for AWD cars when compared to the same exact model is because of the additional weight of the AWD system and the parasitic loss. If the AWD car weighs the same and has the same exact wheel hp and transmission, the AWD will trap higher. Having had a GT-R and taken it to a drag strip and collecting vbox data for it, I saw the advantages of having both AWD and the DCT. Your comment about "finicky dynos" shows your ignorance about dynoing the M5. It is widely known that the M5 has some issues on the dyno with the ECU pulling timing because of improper air speed, front wheels not moving at the same speed as rears and various other "finicky" things that prevent "good" #'s. that isn't to say that dyno operators can't get a good dyno #, but they have to be aware of these idosyncracies and address them. Last edited by Tom C; 10-23-2013 at 07:28 PM.. |
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10-23-2013, 07:08 PM | #18 |
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My non CP M5 with drag radials cuts high 1.7 60s and 1/4 mile at 11.68 @ 121 MPH (shit 2500-3000 DA) so on a more level traction playing field the regular M5 is pretty much even with the AMG-S. I never did try LC with the drag radials, which might have been interesting.
I love the sound of the AMG, but that center stack sucks. BMW ergonomics are way better than Mercedes.
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10-23-2013, 07:54 PM | #19 |
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exactly, a lot of people ran 1/4 miles much better than in their test and dyno's show better results on stock cars, then they tested comp pack
those 2 dudes can go f*** themselve why they did not bring just facelifted e63 non S? obviously because it would loose in every single aspect, except the exhaust note mercedes interior is ok'ish, it does not suit 100k car transmission is another funny thing about amg, they have finally introduced dct on a/cla 45 amg, but for 100k car u r getting 7-speed auto... jokers ok i know in the city it is about 0-60, not even,more like traffic light to traffic light, where ofcourse e63s would kill the m5, but whats the point of all these power, if you cannot throw your car around and your transmission couldnt catch proper gear to deliver boost from turbos? its "another gtr" with better interior and 4 doors, nothing else we have RWD 4.4L engine and getting as much power, acceleration, speed, torque and much better boost and acceleration from rolling start as 5.5L AWD those 2 dudes are once an M never amg |
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pit them together, no problem, but say more good stuff about m5, which is fair, smaller engine delivers as much power as an engine with 1.1L more and RWD accelerates as quick as AWD thats an amazing for an M5 why no test where m5 would win? mercs are for old papas, i hv been always comparing them to sofas the only 2 mercs, which are defo much better than bmw: new S-class, but we never know what bmw is preparing G-class, it has its classy unbeatable look DCT, MDM and Interior kills any amg also if he wants to come home alive, during canyon driving, know your limits, awd is only fun on icy/snowy roads, not even... just my opinion |
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ofcourse competition improves the breed, but isn't e63 built on E platform? cause he brings so much attention that m5's platform is 5/7/ghost platform, like E63's platform is F1 car |
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