Next-gen V10 M5?

M6-Coupe · 08-05-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

Ok, I'll trust you on this one, but me riddle me this Batman. The M6 Gran Coupe is slightly heavier than the F10 M5, yet the F10 M5 has the power close trunk and the M6 Gran Coupe does not, also the M6 Gran Coupe has a huge Carbon Fiber roof, so why then is it heavier?

lol ... I'm gonna answer this question, but don't ask me so many questions because I'm not expert enough to have all answers

According to BMWUSA, base M6 GC is 43lb heavier than base M5, because it's about 4" longer and has CAST rims 433M as standard which is about 25lb heavier than forged 343M (a set of 4). Also there are some standard features in M6 GC which are optional in M5. I don't have M6 GC to tell you which one but I am looking at BMWUSA website and I see for example 4-zone automatic climate control and Soft-close automatic doors are part of M5 Executive package while they are not shown in M6 GC Executive package so I consider them standard in M6 GC. for sure there are other components ( maybe seats ??) to be added to this list however M6 has CF roof which saves 44 lb.

M5essex · 08-05-2014, 06:27 PM

A cf roof and plastic bumpers, like the e92 m3, will save a few pounds and lower the centre of gravity but the f10 m5 needs a more serious and strict diet to become a sports car. The G Series 5 Series will feature elements of carbon fibre in the chassis apparently and other weight saving techniques. These will be premiered in the new G11 7 Series which should be launched in 10 months from now. Expect the new 5 Series in 2016 followed by the M5 in 2017. in the uk...

6spdterror · 08-05-2014, 07:22 PM

V10 Tt, 700+hp, Awd, Ill Place An Order Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Danconia · 08-05-2014, 10:10 PM

The idea of a V10 in the next M5 has been on my mind since first seeing this post with info from insider Scott26 and I WANT to believe but I just do not see it happening.

As many have already said, the trend in all of automotodom is toward dropping cylinders and FI. F1 cars have turbo V6s and likely going to 4 cylinders.

Again, I WANT to believe but why on earth would BMW shoehorn a 10 cylinder engine into a SEDAN in this day and age of downsizing engines and FI? Many of you are citing the magical 700HP mark but couldn't BMW easily get there with 8 cylinders, turbos and a hybrid power source. Hell, I'm sure the F10 has the headroom to do 700HP. Before the insider dropped this info, my bet was on BMW attempting a hybrid 6 cylinders in the next M5 (following the industry trend)

and aggressively focusing on shedding weight.

Please convince me I'm wrong and BMW has seen the light and we will all have V10s in an M5 and BMW will truly make an M8 supercar with said V10 as a halo car.

soooma · 08-05-2014, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danconia

The idea of a V10 in the next M5 has been on my mind since first seeing this post with info from insider Scott26 and I WANT to believe but I just do not see it happening.

As many have already said, the trend in all of automotodom is toward dropping cylinders and FI. F1 cars have turbo V6s and likely going to 4 cylinders.

Again, I WANT to believe but why on earth would BMW shoehorn a 10 cylinder engine into a SEDAN in this day and age of downsizing engines and FI? Many of you are citing the magical 700HP mark but couldn't BMW easily get there with 8 cylinders, turbos and a hybrid power source. Hell, I'm sure the F10 has the headroom to do 700HP. Before the insider dropped this info, my bet was on BMW attempting a hybrid 6 cylinders in the next M5 (following the industry trend)

and aggressively focusing on shedding weight.

Please convince me I'm wrong and BMW has seen the light and we will all have V10s in an M5 and BMW will truly make an M8 supercar with said V10 as a halo car.

It will be like resurrecting Lazarus from the dead -

Hockey Guy · 08-06-2014, 12:34 AM

TT V10 is the thought. There is no way BMW or anyone else is going back to NA engines. I have no idea if they will move back up to a TT V10, but it seems clear that very good competition has put a bull's eye on 700 HP. BMW can't play the same card next time of a relatively small HP increase, but big torque increase (a la the latest M5/6 and the new M3/4). M is a proud group...still the reference in the category for the most part. I can't see them backing down from the gauntlets that are being thrown down around them. A fascinating time to be a car guy. The future looks really cool

Hockey Guy · 08-12-2014, 11:10 AM

I realize I am probably beating a dead horse here...

Just for fun, I searched this topic on Google (TT V-10 for "the next M5") and the only items that came up were a raft of them in 2009-2011, where all the scuttlebutt was the F10 M5 was going to get a TT V-10. Of course, it did not play out this way...so it's interesting that this rumour is floating again for the 2018 M5.

This makes me think the same deep throat is just as wrong this time (nothing personal Mr Deep Throat) or it might actually be true this time. Perhaps M wanted to try the TT first in a V-8 before amping it up into a TT V-10 for the next one... Food for thought!

Danconia · 08-12-2014, 12:52 PM

I would tend to agree about the silly internet rumor aspect but for the fact that Scott26 is pretty much known to work for BMW corporate. I am sure others know more about him than I. Although, his original post does even refer to this development as a rumor.

Assuming he is privy to internal rumors, I am more confused why BMW would even entertain a V10 now. (See my previous post). Also, I am sure there is tremendous oversight by BMW over what Scott26 can mention on the forums so this seems a bit calculated to me.

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

I realize I am probably beating a dead horse here...

Just for fun, I searched this topic on Google (TT V-10 for "the next M5") and the only items that came up were a raft of them in 2009-2011, where all the scuttlebutt was the F10 M5 was going to get a TT V-10. Of course, it did not play out this way...so it's interesting that this rumour is floating again for the 2018 M5.

This makes me think the same deep throat is just as wrong this time (nothing personal Mr Deep Throat) or it might actually be true this time. Perhaps M wanted to try the TT first in a V-8 before amping it up into a TT V-10 for the next one... Food for thought!

Hockey Guy · 08-13-2014, 12:39 AM

I am sure Scott26 is very credible (have read many of his posts) and I hope he is right on this. For sure, the M5 diehards would heavily support the ideas thrown around in the posts above: TT V-10 and potentially hybrid for 700 HP plus...adding to 10% less weight or more. That's the new reference. It's all around us or will be soon. This will need to be a very special car, but M has the capability for sure. My spidey senses tell me they are going to really lay it down with the next one. M is too proud of a group, has too rich a history not to...

JOHNBMWM5 · 08-13-2014, 02:50 AM

This makes NO sense at all, the very idea should ring "bull *hit bells".
ALL the major players are "down grading" engine size.
Enough said.

gmd2003 · 08-13-2014, 05:30 AM

He also said the M4 would weight 3300 pounds .....
Enough said .

Hockey Guy · 08-13-2014, 07:53 AM

Interesting. Well, even if it is another TT V-8, the rest of what I said applies. The reference numbers for the next M5 are markedly higher than the current version and this one has to be relevant until 2025. Tall order.

RPiM5 · 08-13-2014, 09:02 AM

I for one believe him. Scott26 is a highly reputable source of information. I am not skeptical about most of what he says. If the next Gxx M5 has another Twin Turbo V8 but has a bigger chassis then I probably won't be getting it. But if it has a Twin Turbo V10 and a bigger chassis, I will be getting it. I believe that we should see a BMW ///M7 model come out before the next generation M5, so let's wait and see what engine the ///M7 has. What ever happens, I know that ///M Division will not disappoint, they never have.

WuTang · 08-13-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

I for one believe him. Scott26 is a highly reputable source of information. I am not skeptical about most of what he says. If the next Gxx M5 has another Twin Turbo V8 but has a bigger chassis then I probably won't be getting it. But if it has a Twin Turbo V10 and a bigger chassis, I will be getting it. I believe that we should see a BMW ///M7 model come out before the next generation M5, so let's wait and see what engine the ///M7 has. What ever happens, I know that ///M Division will not disappoint, they never have.

I feel like the M7 (if ever) would have similar version of the TTV8 in Fxx M5/M6. What if M7 gets the TTV10!?!?!

GarbageMan · 08-13-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

This makes NO sense at all, the very idea should ring "bull *hit bells".
ALL the major players are "down grading" engine size.
Enough said.

Agreed. It is poppycock.

Hammer91 · 08-13-2014, 11:51 PM

Since the M7 is a go, maybe the v10TT is going into it as a downsize from the 760's v12.........that might explain the rumor.

Phatcat · 08-14-2014, 12:49 AM

I don't see it happening, but it's the M division, the one that said no turbo cars and no M 4X4, so you never know.

Hockey Guy · 08-14-2014, 03:04 AM

I know that I won't be upsold an M7. Zero chance. I don't care if M puts rockets in it (though that might be kind of cool to see). M5 is the max size I want so they need to focus on getting that right. I don't think M should tinker with the aura of the M5/6. It needs to be fastest, still suitably luxurious and a bit more of a badass. Given the money we pay and M tradition, it needs to be THE car unless M proceeds with an M1 in which case I am sure we all defer.

RPiM5 · 08-14-2014, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WuTang

I feel like the M7 (if ever) would have similar version of the TTV8 in Fxx M5/M6. What if M7 gets the TTV10!?!?!

A 4.0L Twin Turbo V10 might be more fuel efficient and make a lot more power. Who knows.

BMW M3 CRT · 08-14-2014, 11:12 AM

The only reason for an V10TT in the new G-Modell M5 is for me the 500ccm Cylinder "Baukasten" for all new BMW engines ... so an replacement for N63Tu/S63Tu must be an 4.0ltr.V8TT, which shares many parts with the B38/48/58 engines.

If the M-GmbH beleave such an 4.0ltr.V8TT Is not good enough for an future M5 ... the only way to go is an 5.0ltr.V10TT based on the "Baukasten"-Cylinder-Layout !

Vor this 5.0ltr.V10TT is really the engine for the rumored M7 !?

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Danconia Private First Class 70 Rep 125 Posts Drives: G11 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: McLean, VA iTrader: (0)	The idea of a V10 in the next M5 has been on my mind since first seeing this post with info from insider Scott26 and I WANT to believe but I just do not see it happening. As many have already said, the trend in all of automotodom is toward dropping cylinders and FI. F1 cars have turbo V6s and likely going to 4 cylinders. Again, I WANT to believe but why on earth would BMW shoehorn a 10 cylinder engine into a SEDAN in this day and age of downsizing engines and FI? Many of you are citing the magical 700HP mark but couldn't BMW easily get there with 8 cylinders, turbos and a hybrid power source. Hell, I'm sure the F10 has the headroom to do 700HP. Before the insider dropped this info, my bet was on BMW attempting a hybrid 6 cylinders in the next M5 (following the industry trend) and aggressively focusing on shedding weight. Please convince me I'm wrong and BMW has seen the light and we will all have V10s in an M5 and BMW will truly make an M8 supercar with said V10 as a halo car. __________________ 2019 X7 2016 G11 2009 E60 M5 2008 E90 M3 - Gone
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Hockey Guy Private First Class 8 Rep 117 Posts Drives: M235i, X5 35d Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	TT V10 is the thought. There is no way BMW or anyone else is going back to NA engines. I have no idea if they will move back up to a TT V10, but it seems clear that very good competition has put a bull's eye on 700 HP. BMW can't play the same card next time of a relatively small HP increase, but big torque increase (a la the latest M5/6 and the new M3/4). M is a proud group...still the reference in the category for the most part. I can't see them backing down from the gauntlets that are being thrown down around them. A fascinating time to be a car guy. The future looks really cool
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Hockey Guy Private First Class 8 Rep 117 Posts Drives: M235i, X5 35d Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I realize I am probably beating a dead horse here... Just for fun, I searched this topic on Google (TT V-10 for "the next M5") and the only items that came up were a raft of them in 2009-2011, where all the scuttlebutt was the F10 M5 was going to get a TT V-10. Of course, it did not play out this way...so it's interesting that this rumour is floating again for the 2018 M5. This makes me think the same deep throat is just as wrong this time (nothing personal Mr Deep Throat) or it might actually be true this time. Perhaps M wanted to try the TT first in a V-8 before amping it up into a TT V-10 for the next one... Food for thought!
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Hockey Guy Private First Class 8 Rep 117 Posts Drives: M235i, X5 35d Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I am sure Scott26 is very credible (have read many of his posts) and I hope he is right on this. For sure, the M5 diehards would heavily support the ideas thrown around in the posts above: TT V-10 and potentially hybrid for 700 HP plus...adding to 10% less weight or more. That's the new reference. It's all around us or will be soon. This will need to be a very special car, but M has the capability for sure. My spidey senses tell me they are going to really lay it down with the next one. M is too proud of a group, has too rich a history not to...
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Hockey Guy Private First Class 8 Rep 117 Posts Drives: M235i, X5 35d Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Interesting. Well, even if it is another TT V-8, the rest of what I said applies. The reference numbers for the next M5 are markedly higher than the current version and this one has to be relevant until 2025. Tall order.
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RPiM5 Major General 2873 Rep 7,885 Posts Drives: Black M5 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth 616 iTrader: (0)	I for one believe him. Scott26 is a highly reputable source of information. I am not skeptical about most of what he says. If the next Gxx M5 has another Twin Turbo V8 but has a bigger chassis then I probably won't be getting it. But if it has a Twin Turbo V10 and a bigger chassis, I will be getting it. I believe that we should see a BMW ///M7 model come out before the next generation M5, so let's wait and see what engine the ///M7 has. What ever happens, I know that ///M Division will not disappoint, they never have. __________________
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Hammer91 Private 36 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2021 BMW M5 Comp Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wichita KS iTrader: (0)	Since the M7 is a go, maybe the v10TT is going into it as a downsize from the 760's v12.........that might explain the rumor.
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Hockey Guy Private First Class 8 Rep 117 Posts Drives: M235i, X5 35d Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I know that I won't be upsold an M7. Zero chance. I don't care if M puts rockets in it (though that might be kind of cool to see). M5 is the max size I want so they need to focus on getting that right. I don't think M should tinker with the aura of the M5/6. It needs to be fastest, still suitably luxurious and a bit more of a badass. Given the money we pay and M tradition, it needs to be THE car unless M proceeds with an M1 in which case I am sure we all defer.
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BMW M3 CRT Lieutenant 177 Rep 464 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	The only reason for an V10TT in the new G-Modell M5 is for me the 500ccm Cylinder "Baukasten" for all new BMW engines ... so an replacement for N63Tu/S63Tu must be an 4.0ltr.V8TT, which shares many parts with the B38/48/58 engines. If the M-GmbH beleave such an 4.0ltr.V8TT Is not good enough for an future M5 ... the only way to go is an 5.0ltr.V10TT based on the "Baukasten"-Cylinder-Layout ! Vor this 5.0ltr.V10TT is really the engine for the rumored M7 !?
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