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      08-08-2013, 07:16 PM   #45
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If you drive the standard 2014 M5/M6 you will find a significant improvement in the steering. It is much "lighter" and far more connected feeling.
Have you driven it personally? I'm looking to hear some feedback from those who own a 2013...
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Have you driven it personally? I'm looking to hear some feedback from those who own a 2013...
The 2014 M6GC has the updated steering and quite frankly I could barely tell the difference. Of course maybe I'm desensitized because I don't really have any issues with the 2013 steering.

To me the only thing I would like is improved M Active Diff programming to provide better traction and less wheel slip on acceleration. I would also like to see them use the brakes to create a torque vectoring effect when accelerating out of a corner.
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I'd say ColdList is right on the money with his assessment.

Drove a '14 M6GC on the streets/highways of Austin, TX and then tracked it on COTA. This was NOT a competition package car, but rather, just the LCI steering and suspension updates.

It is better...where with the current M5 the setup seems overly boosted in Comfort and just progresses through a heavier feeling in Sport and Sport+ settings, the new setup seems to be more connected throughout the settings and far more accurate feel when near TDC.

I'd summarize it like this: While the car today seems best driven in comfort (for accuracy and feel) the LCI changes allow for the car to be driven aggressively in Sport. Track duty, Sport. Sport+ for straight line. Comfort is now, well, comfortable.

Same goes for the suspension setup, it seems to be more aggressive throughout the range rather than just "more stiff". I'd say the rebound and dampening were more optimally tuned.

I am also expecting that the competition package will be even better. Can't wait to drive one with the new steering, suspension and diff. But all that said, I am not going to dump my M5 for these changes. I'll keep it until 2015, then unload it to BMW FS, unless I can get a kick ass offer on it from Porsche and get a GT3 for sticker
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If you drive the standard 2014 M5/M6 you will find a significant improvement in the steering. It is much "lighter" and far more connected feeling.
Have you driven it personally? I'm looking to hear some feedback from those who own a 2013...
Yes I have. I took a 2014 M6 coupe home one night and took both my 2013 F10 and then my 2103 F12 out for a spirited comparison ride along with it. I was not looking to compare the steering. In fact, I was not even thinking about it but after driving it first I immediately noticed a profound difference the minute I jumped in the F10. Then I got in the F12 and noticed the same thing so I got back in the coupe again to be sure I wasn't nuts-and I wasn't. It was such a difference that it became the focus of the comparisons and a big part of my decision to order a 2104 M6 comp pkg the next day. It feels very much more connected to the road. It feels less "heavy" and you get much better feedback. Even now when I drive the F12 I notice the steering not being so sporty.
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Have you driven it personally? I'm looking to hear some feedback from those who own a 2013...
I'd say ColdList is right on the money with his assessment.

Drove a '14 M6GC on the streets/highways of Austin, TX and then tracked it on COTA. This was NOT a competition package car, but rather, just the LCI steering and suspension updates.

It is better...where with the current M5 the setup seems overly boosted in Comfort and just progresses through a heavier feeling in Sport and Sport+ settings, the new setup seems to be more connected throughout the settings and far more accurate feel when near TDC.

I'd summarize it like this: While the car today seems best driven in comfort (for accuracy and feel) the LCI changes allow for the car to be driven aggressively in Sport. Track duty, Sport. Sport+ for straight line. Comfort is now, well, comfortable.

Same goes for the suspension setup, it seems to be more aggressive throughout the range rather than just "more stiff". I'd say the rebound and dampening were more optimally tuned.

I am also expecting that the competition package will be even better. Can't wait to drive one with the new steering, suspension and diff. But all that said, I am not going to dump my M5 for these changes. I'll keep it until 2015, then unload it to BMW FS, unless I can get a kick ass offer on it from Porsche and get a GT3 for sticker
+1000 on all points (except that I have not tracked it so I can't comment on that :-). BMW intentionally made steering changes because of complaints specifically about these issues. Of course there will be a difference.
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They also updated the steering and other things on the 2013 from May, or March. Iv driven both the pre updated and post updated. Steering feels nicer
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Yes I have. I took a 2014 M6 coupe home one night and took both my 2013 F10 and then my 2103 F12 out for a spirited comparison ride along with it. I was not looking to compare the steering. In fact, I was not even thinking about it but after driving it first I immediately noticed a profound difference the minute I jumped in the F10. Then I got in the F12 and noticed the same thing so I got back in the coupe again to be sure I wasn't nuts-and I wasn't. It was such a difference that it became the focus of the comparisons and a big part of my decision to order a 2104 M6 comp pkg the next day. It feels very much more connected to the road. It feels less "heavy" and you get much better feedback. Even now when I drive the F12 I notice the steering not being so sporty.
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MUCH better. Like I said, I drove the 2014 M6 first then got in the M5 and it felt very "heavy" and unconnected to the road (which I had NOT noticed whatsoever prior to driving the M6 and making a comparison. I also was not LOOKING for it. It actually was the first thing I "noticed" and I noticed it immediately. Almost like I thought I may have accidentally switched my steering into a stiffer mode). Then I drove the 2013 M6 and noticed the same thing but to a very slightly lesser degree. I think the M6 wheel feels much better than the M5 so that could have actually been the difference.

BTW...FORGET EVERY CRITICISM I made about the comp. pkg above.....Now, having slept on it I am adding it to my order..not because I think it is a value...because if I don't I will LOSE SLEEP EVERY NIGHT wondering "what if?"-lol! Dang BMW!!!!!!!!!! Still don't see the value but what the heck. I will remove those springs and install H&R the first day. Lowering 10mm is a joke. The H&R lowers a full inch (25 mm) and they look INSANE on the F12/F13 (see pic). They also give it a PERFECT center of gravity. Feels like you are driving a very much sportier car. Handles very well.

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I thought the latter post (which was posted earlier) meant that the difference between the M6 pre LCI and the M6 LCI was not substantial??

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I enjoy reading the post here, and look forward to owning an f10 m5 one day. Anyone notice all the 2014 m models are being described as "twin power turbo"?
Am I missing something? I know its no big deal as long as the performance adds up. Would that effect tuning? Lastly, does anyone care?
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So - is this "light alloy" wheel forge or cast?
Does anyone know?

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I checked the german brochure, it says:
343 M style => "geschmiedet" (= forged)
601 M style => "glanzgedreht" (= high gloss / polished)

So I guess the CP wheels are non-forged.
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I thought the latter post (which was posted earlier) meant that the difference between the M6 pre LCI and the M6 LCI was not substantial??
Nope. DEFINITE difference in the 2014 and 2013. Drove my F10 M5 for the first time on a couple of weeks today and noticed the heavy steering. I swear it does feel heavier than the 2013 F12 M6 (I have been driving that the last couple of days)
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