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      06-23-2014, 11:21 AM   #67
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This thread is about a nice video with a top speed run. I am intentionally not providing dyno sheets from two different brands, because this flaming is what these discussions always lead to. I posted one sheet with wheel horse power before deleting the front cats and installing a better exhaust. This is a dynojet sheet you have made no comment on
It is also safe to say the car would now make more than 660 RWHP on the same dynojet with the cats delete and the better exhaust. So now we are basing it on facts and a posted sheet. Ignore my honesty about the Maha dyno sheet.

So back on topic and let us enjoy the videos.
Ok back in topic how about some performance numbers , Vbox , drag strip something . People are suspicious of dyno claims because they can be easily manipulated and there is huge variances between results on the same dyno much less different types . No one is going to believe PP is superior unless a PP car can put up performance numbers better than what's out there currently . The simple fact is the fastest and quickest S63 TU currently is M6 beasts car running an 11.0 @ 128mph in hot conditions at a NHRA drag strip . No one is discounting the fact that PP has gotten more power out of you're car than Manhart did . If you're car is making 800 hp It will trap over 130mph at the track and probably 132 by Vbox , just run it !
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      06-23-2014, 11:45 AM   #68
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This thread is about a nice video with a top speed run. I am intentionally not providing dyno sheets from two different brands, because this flaming is what these discussions always lead to. I posted one sheet with wheel horse power before deleting the front cats and installing a better exhaust. This is a dynojet sheet you have made no comment on
It is also safe to say the car would now make more than 660 RWHP on the same dynojet with the cats delete and the better exhaust. So now we are basing it on facts and a posted sheet. Ignore my honesty about the Maha dyno sheet.

So back on topic and let us enjoy the videos.
I think I have mentioned this before in another thread, but the 660whp # is being shown using DIN correction. The Dynojet dynos being shown by the others in this thread are STD corrected. STD uses an SAE correction with the addition of elevation (as a dyno user input). I think if we are to compare dyno sheet to dyno sheet, it would be nice to get them on the same correction method. I have the WINPEP software on my laptop at home. If you send me the drf file (which the dyno operator can e-mail), I can just toggle in the software to convert to DIN and post them up in another thread.
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      06-23-2014, 01:10 PM   #69
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I saw a BMS customer tuned M5 dynojet sheet the other day that was in the 68x range STD on race gas without meth. I think all the tunes can produce in that power range. Which seems to be good for around 11.0@130mph at the 1/4 mile. What I'm waiting for is someone to break in to the 10s!

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      06-23-2014, 01:36 PM   #70
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I saw a BMS customer tuned M5 dynojet sheet the other day that was in the 68x range STD on race gas without meth. I think all the tunes can produce in that power range. Which seems to be good for around 11.0@130mph at the 1/4 mile. What I'm waiting for is someone to break in to the 10s!

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I hope I'm the first I've been waiting for weather to get better either too hot or raining
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      06-23-2014, 02:49 PM   #71
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I have given enough info. My car makes a little over 800 bhp at the crank, proven on a Maha dyno. It is a good dyno used by many car manufacturers, but as always people never believe any dyno that is why I wanted to stay away from the discussion.
I am going to do my top speed run in Germany if conditions permit. We'll see how fast the car is.
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      06-23-2014, 03:07 PM   #72
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That will make a great contribution to the forum. But unfortunately no one but you can do that since we don't have top speed limiter removed here stateside.

Do you have a Vbox? Why not bring a Vbox with you to Germany and do some real tests, and actually confirm your topspeed with the GPS of the Vbox. Going on your speedometer is useless. Tell us what you do 0 to 100mph, 60 to 130mph etc. That will make the best possible contribution.
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      06-23-2014, 03:25 PM   #73
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The plan is speedometer, vbox and video.
I know through vbox that 328 kmh = 316 GPS.
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      06-23-2014, 03:39 PM   #74
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This car is just crazy fast !

i just got my M5 one week ago , and its on break in , and already scares me !

with 800 hp its only good in straight line right ?

I would like to remap , but BMW anti tuning .....
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      06-23-2014, 03:40 PM   #75
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For us USA folks please get some mph readings or 60 to 130s, and 100 to 200mph. If you can that would be great!
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      06-23-2014, 04:11 PM   #76
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This car is just crazy fast !

i just got my M5 one week ago , and its on break in , and already scares me !

with 800 hp its only good in straight line right ?

I would like to remap , but BMW anti tuning .....
As long as you know how to drive it! I always drive mine without traction control on, it's all in the throttle. Car is so well engineered I can drift that shit out of this car. It's better then my e63 M6 which I would have never thought especially going from a naturally aspirated to a boosted car.
M-bitious.... How about Dyno on a Dyno jet just to see where your numbers are we don't care about drivetrain losses but it gives an idea where other members are at with there Dyno figures and mods.

As for comparing my M6 and my M5 I feel like my M5 is producing more power from the factory. Even on the same Dyno with less mods my M5 is close in power to my M6. I plan to have the exact modifications to compare both in racing and Dyno numbers.

So that is the reason people are asking not because they're trying to say your claims are not a reality. I know if my car is pushing 670 whp in 5th and still have another 1000 rpm to go I'm pretty sure in 6th my car should be pushing 700whp easy that's over 800 HP at the Crank.

Good luck!
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      06-23-2014, 05:02 PM   #77
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Are you estimating now?!

I will run in kmh as my vbox is set to it, but I will convert also to mph when posting.
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      06-23-2014, 05:41 PM   #78
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Which seems to be good for around 11.0@130mph at the 1/4 mile. What I'm waiting for is someone to break in to the 10s!

Mike
For a good ET isn't the launch critical? I'd like for someone to test/sacrifice the durability of the drivetrain with just the stock motor and use properly sized true drag slicks that will provide as much traction as possible. I think that would require changing the rear brakes to allow a smaller rim diameter, so not a simple thing to do. And not something most owners of an M5 would want to do, but it would be interesting! With that mod done, would the manual transmission possibly have the advantage of high rpm clutch dump starts for the best launch?
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      06-23-2014, 06:07 PM   #79
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Here you go that's in burnout mode an drag radials basically high rpm clutch dumped and no wheel spin.
Look at the 60 ft and I have a best at 1.68 60ft all three were done in burnout mode very consistent
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For a good ET isn't the launch critical? I'd like for someone to test/sacrifice the durability of the drivetrain with just the stock motor and use properly sized true drag slicks that will provide as much traction as possible. I think that would require changing the rear brakes to allow a smaller rim diameter, so not a simple thing to do. And not something most owners of an M5 would want to do, but it would be interesting! With that mod done, would the manual transmission possibly have the advantage of high rpm clutch dump starts for the best launch?
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Here you go that's in burnout mode an drag radials basically high rpm clutch dumped and no wheel spin.
Look at the 60 ft and I have a best at 1.68 60ft all three were done in burnout mode very consistent
I'm not up to date on current drag racing specs, but your 60' times look real good! NO wheel spin, really? I would have thought even a stock M5 would over power drag radials. But, as I said I'm not up with current tech in drag racing. Don't real drag slicks give better traction than drag radials? Obviously that wouldn't matter if you're not burning up the tires you have now. Great times and speeds, congrats!!
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I'm not up to date on current drag racing specs, but your 60' times look real good! NO wheel spin, really? I would have thought even a stock M5 would over power drag radials. But, as I said I'm not up with current tech in drag racing. Don't real drag slicks give better traction than drag radials? Obviously that wouldn't matter if you're not burning up the tires you have now. Great times and speeds, congrats!!
Thanks man!
Yeah these were TOYO R888's amazing tires. My best 60ft when using launch control were 1.89 not enough power to get it going. I just happened to try burn out mode for the hell of it and actually the first time scared the hell out of me because I was expecting it to burn the tires and I would have to feather the throttle. It just took off like a jet fighter! The only thing is you have to time it perfect for the light because there is a delay.
Only ran it three times and all three times were 1.7's and a best 1.68 and all 11.0 flat in hot as temps in the high 80's to 90's F
Can't wait to go back now that my meth set up has adapted to see if I can get high 10's. just wish for some cooler weather
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Thanks man!
Yeah these were TOYO R888's amazing tires. My best 60ft when using launch control were 1.89 not enough power to get it going. I just happened to try burn out mode for the hell of it and actually the first time scared the hell out of me because I was expecting it to burn the tires and I would have to feather the throttle. It just took off like a jet fighter! The only thing is you have to time it perfect for the light because there is a delay.
Only ran it three times and all three times were 1.7's and a best 1.68 and all 11.0 flat in hot as temps in the high 80's to 90's F
Can't wait to go back now that my meth set up has adapted to see if I can get high 10's. just wish for some cooler weather
Dude, is your car stock? and have you ever driven TOYO R888's in street or it's just track tire?
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Mbitious, we cant wait for your video.. Please post as soon as you can.
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Dude, is your car stock? and have you ever driven TOYO R888's in street or it's just track tire?
It's a drag radial made for the street and track, best tire in the world!
No my car isn't stock.
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Dude, is your car stock? and have you ever driven TOYO R888's in street or it's just track tire?
It's a drag radial made for the street and track, best tire in the world!
No my car isn't stock.
What size R888's are you running front/rear ?
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What size R888's are you running front/rear ?
Stock rear wheel only with 285 35 20's I only bolt them up for the track
There is room for 315 30 20's that's for sure and if I decide to go to a road coarse ill swap these tires to the front a buy another set of the 315's for the rear
Either way both set will fit the rear an even the 285's are hooking good
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Stock rear wheel only with 285 35 20's I only bolt them up for the track
There is room for 315 30 20's that's for sure and if I decide to go to a road coarse ill swap these tires to the front a buy another set of the 315's for the rear
Either way both set will fit the rear an even the 285's are hooking good
I'm a major track junky and normally use my heavily modded Z4m for track duty but want to track the M6 at least once. Given the power and weight of the M6 combined with my skill level I need to use R comps. Was hoping you had tried the R888's in 285/35/20's up front with 315/30/20's in the back. Just driving on the street or in a straight line i'm sure they will be fine I'm just worried about them fully loaded in a tight turn on track.
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