Update - dyno'ed on Dynojet with new fuel

[LSM]

My car has charcoal filters removed and BMS piggyback. Nothing else

I do not have baseline numbers from dynojet only from mustang dyno. I was critical of BMS so on their advise I mixed 100 Octane with our shitty 91 Octane here in Cali. The original dyno I used is 60 miles away so I used a local shop that uses a Dynojet. I am not at all saying the gas made a difference, I am just posting my results from the dynojet which I am very happy with.
589.31 wheel hp and 548.38 wheel lb/ft. (using a correction of 15% as was recommended by dyno operator and several others that would make it
678 hp and 631 lb/ft at the crank)

After mixing the fuels and running the car it did feel much stronger than I reported a couple days ago.

[bm5bullit]

Very, very nice and impressive results. What would be nicer would be some V-Box runs reflecting mid-range to upper level differences.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by bm5bullit

Very, very nice and impressive results. What would be nicer would be some V-Box runs reflecting mid-range to upper level differences.

Yes I need to get on the 1/4 mile run etc....

[JOHNBMWM5]

Three Questions:
1/ How much are these Boxes?.

2/ How easy are they to fix and remove?.

3/ Any CEL ?

[boots]

Not knocking anything anything you did my brother, but using any number of a higher octane will net better results. I'm curious as to what yours will net using that same mustang you started with the addition of the higher grade fuel. Here in Houston we have 93.

[Vic55]

You do know that Dynojets read higher than Mustangs... unless the settings are adjusted. What you should do to get piece of mind is go back to the other dyno where you felt the numbers were inadequate. I know its 60 miles away but thats the only way you know if anything changed and even then you will dyno it on a different day with different conditions. If your butt dyno makes you smile than call it a day and crush the enemy on the roads!!!!

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Vic55

You do know that Dynojets read higher than Mustangs... unless the settings are adjusted. What you should do to get piece of mind is go back to the other dyno where you felt the numbers were inadequate. I know its 60 miles away but thats the only way you know if anything changed and even then you will dyno it on a different day with different conditions. If your butt dyno makes you smile than call it a day and crush the enemy on the roads!!!!

Yea I agree completely...I will go back there sometime in next few weeks..

[LSM]

Originally Posted by boots

Not knocking anything anything you did my brother, but using any number of a higher octane will net better results. I'm curious as to what yours will net using that same mustang you started with the addition of the higher grade fuel. Here in Houston we have 93.

I agree for sure. I will be retesting on that Mustang dyno in next few weeks. I will post the results.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

These results look great especially for SAE correction! On the 91 octane what many do is just mix in a can of NOS race octane booster ($10 at WalMart) to 12-15 gallons of 91. It is supposed to make your 91 like 93 octane then. What the rest of the world gets.

Mike

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

These results look great especially for SAE correction! On the 91 octane what many do is just mix in a can of NOS race octane booster ($10 at WalMart) to 12-15 gallons of 91. It is supposed to make your 91 like 93 octane then. What the rest of the world gets.

Mike

Mike, Thanks!!! Hell of a lot better than mixing $8.99/gallon race fuel with the 91

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by LSM

Mike, Thanks!!! Hell of a lot better than mixing $8.99/gallon race fuel with the 91

I personally would not recommend using products with MMT in this expensive of a motor . Prolonged use will foul plugs , clog injectors and turn your valves into crusty orange disasters .

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I personally would not recommend using products with MMT in this expensive of a motor . Prolonged use will foul plugs , clog injectors and turn your valves into crusty orange disasters .

BMS has run it for tens of thousands of miles in all of their cars and has never found any of that to be true. Except that it does leave an orangish residue inside your exhaust pipes as is well documented with MMT.

Mike

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

BMS has run it for tens of thousands of miles in all of their cars and has never found any of that to be true. Except that it does leave an orangish residue inside your exhaust pipes as is well documented with MMT.

Mike

I personally don't want my engine coated in orange manganese , but the main thing to be concerned about especially if you are catless , is manganese is a potent neurotoxin . This is why MMT never made it as a lead replacement in our gas . And yes I am a physician , and yes ive seen orange spark plug tips from MMT use . Maybe it doesn't harm the engine but many people may not want an orange coating of manganese oxide on their motors , and certainly not on their lungs .

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I personally don't want my engine coated in orange manganese , but the main thing to be concerned about especially if you are catless , is manganese is a potent neurotoxin . This is why MMT never made it as a lead replacement in our gas . And yes I am a physician , and yes ive seen orange spark plug tips from MMT use . Maybe it doesn't harm the engine but many people may not want an orange coating of manganese oxide on their motors , and certainly not on their lungs .

I'm not an MMT spokesperson... But the WIKI claims your health concern is debatable. I would certainly not drink it but as far as fuel additives go it's widely used, legal, and effective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylc...se_tricarbonyl

"The health hazards associated with manganese compounds emitted from
vehicles operating on gasoline containing MMT have been debated for
decades. In 1994 (reaffirmed in 1998, 2001 and 2010), Health Canada
concluded that "airborne manganese resulting from the combustion of
MMT in gasoline powered vehicles is not entering the Canadian
environment in quantities or under conditions that may constitute a
health risk"[19] and confirmed they were taking no action with respect
to MMT. The 2003 NICNAS study ruled that the airborne concentrations
of manganese as a result of car emissions from vehicles using fuel
containing MMT posed no health hazard.

Additional health studies, overseen by the US Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA), have been conducted in order to explain the transport of
manganese in the body. These studies, the most recent available,
published by the Hamner Institutes for Health Sciences from 2007
through 2011 and submitted to the US Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) under the framework of the Clean Air Act, show that the body's
natural mechanisms can handle a wide range of manganese intake,
whether from inhalation or ingestion.[20] While these mechanisms can
be overwhelmed if exposures to manganese are very high (as in the case
of some occupational exposures), the testing confirms that the body
can safely handle inhaled manganese at, and well above, levels
observed when MMT is used in gasoline. The studies also indicate that
MMT use is safe for the entire population including vulnerable groups
such as infants and the elderly. Although the EPA will now formally
review the research findings, the US Agency recommended this data as
meeting the Clean Air Act's health study's requirements and
objectives."

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I'm not an MMT spokesperson... But the WIKI claims your health concern is debatable. I would certainly not drink it but as far as fuel additives go it's widely used, legal, and effective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylc...se_tricarbonyl" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://en.wikipedia....ricarbonyl</a>

"The health hazards associated with manganese compounds emitted from
vehicles operating on gasoline containing MMT have been debated for
decades. In 1994 (reaffirmed in 1998, 2001 and 2010), Health Canada
concluded that "airborne manganese resulting from the combustion of
MMT in gasoline powered vehicles is not entering the Canadian
environment in quantities or under conditions that may constitute a
health risk"[19] and confirmed they were taking no action with respect
to MMT. The 2003 NICNAS study ruled that the airborne concentrations
of manganese as a result of car emissions from vehicles using fuel
containing MMT posed no health hazard.

Additional health studies, overseen by the US Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA), have been conducted in order to explain the transport of
manganese in the body. These studies, the most recent available,
published by the Hamner Institutes for Health Sciences from 2007
through 2011 and submitted to the US Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) under the framework of the Clean Air Act, show that the body's
natural mechanisms can handle a wide range of manganese intake,
whether from inhalation or ingestion.[20] While these mechanisms can
be overwhelmed if exposures to manganese are very high (as in the case
of some occupational exposures), the testing confirms that the body
can safely handle inhaled manganese at, and well above, levels
observed when MMT is used in gasoline. The studies also indicate that
MMT use is safe for the entire population including vulnerable groups
such as infants and the elderly. Although the EPA will now formally
review the research findings, the US Agency recommended this data as
meeting the Clean Air Act's health study's requirements and
objectives."

Well a quote from wikipedia I stand corrected lol
Lets just agree that its cheap , reduces knock and turns shit orange and leave it at that .

[greentrbo95gst]

You should register for the Shift sector event this Sat

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

You should register for the Shift sector event this Sat

I wish I was anywhere near close enough to make it. I'd love to see how my M6 CP with DP's and intake would do. 2,000 miles is even beyond my motivation for racing lol.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

You should register for the Shift sector event this Sat

I know a bunch of guys going. I was supposed to go but cant make it...I will def make airstrip attack in april though....