Fatal Accident with m5 f10 and others

[mstmng]

wet road, rwd, low temps (6-10 degrees Celcius), high speed, young driver, m5 f10

obviously m5 driver is the cause of it, i am not the one to blame anyone, as i was young as well and all i had is need for speed, no matter what.

that road took many lives away in past couple of years, none of the automakers seen such severe "crash-tests" as seen by that road. Parents should stop buying powerful cars for their kids and government should introduce a law that prohibits drivers with less than certain years of experience and/or below certain age buy cars with 200+hp, 400hp+, 500hp+, etc. Introduce points based system, make parents in charge if their kids get caught, etc. However it is not going to work while police takes bribes.

We all complain that we have been pulled over for doing 3-5-7-10mph over speed limit, or doing 30+mph over speed limit at night on empty road, or what a disgraceful bunch of c**ts work in VA state for police. We all want to gun our cars every now and then, but these accidents do not happen (or at least do not happen that often) in countries where rules are strict.

only m5 driver died in this accident, other 3 passenger are in a very bad state, all drivers/passengers of cayenne and Range Rover LWB (burned to ashes) are alive

driver of m5 was driving with no seat belt (thats why, i guess, steering wheel and knee airbags have not deployed, front passenger's seat belt was buckled in, however behind passenger's back, not sure if passenger's front airbags deployed and been removed from the car or have not been deployed, either way luckily 3 passengers are alive).

while people were trying to help injured in this accident, another accident happened on opposite side of the road, where another person died (he was rear-ended)

see consequences below and DRIVE SAFE AND RESPONSIBLY

video of the main accident
http://lifenews.ru/news/162967

at 1:30 you can see second accident

here is a video filmed today's daytime of cars' leftovers

[dan99]

wow, that is just terrible.

[domd817]

Not saying a seat belt would/wouldn't have saved a life in this case but how one doesn't wear a seatbelt in this day and age is beyond me.

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by domd817

Not saying a seat belt would/wouldn't have saved a life in this case but how one doesn't wear a seatbelt in this day and age is beyond me.

people who saw m5 after accident (at least they saying so) saying that speedo shows 316km/h, so actual speed of crash was minimum 400km/h

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by mstmng

people who saw m5 after accident (at least they saying so) saying that speedo shows 316km/h, so actual speed of crash was minimum 400km/h

So 250 mph? Or did I miscalculate

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

So 250 mph? Or did I miscalculate

you did not

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by mstmng

you did not

What tune was he running ?? Lol

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

What tune was he running ?? Lol

stock m5 can easily achieve 300+km/h as long as its delimited + rangerover he hit was doing at least 100km/h which makes it 400+km/h collision speed

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by mstmng

stock m5 can easily achieve 300+km/h as long as its delimited + rangerover he hit was doing at least 100km/h which makes it 400+km/h collision speed

Oh combined...gotcha

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by mstmng

stock m5 can easily achieve 300+km/h as long as its delimited + rangerover he hit was doing at least 100km/h which makes it 400+km/h collision speed

RIP to the driver.

Drive safe..

One thing, 300km/h + 100km/h doesn't make 400km/h impact speed.

If I hit a wall going 50mph, the damage is the same as hitting an oncoming car going 50mph. Not 100mph.

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

RIP to the driver.

Drive safe..

One thing, 300km/h + 100km/h doesn't make 400km/h impact speed.

If I hit a wall going 50mph, the damage is the same as hitting an oncoming car going 50mph. Not 100mph.

you clearly have not done physics at school

wall is not moving towards you and car he hit was moving towards him, as they were moving towards each other (which is clearly seen in the video) collision speed = combined speed of vehicles moving towards each other which were 300+ and 100+ equals to 400+

if cars were traveling same direction then you would subtract the speed of slower moving vehicle from faster moving vehicle to get collision speed and if car he hit was at complete stop than speed of collision would have been speed of the only moving vehicle

but whatever rocks your boat

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by mstmng

you clearly have not done physics at school

wall is not moving towards you and car he hit was moving towards him, as they were moving towards each other (which is clearly seen in the video) collision speed = combined speed of vehicles moving towards each other which were 300+ and 100+ equals to 400+

if cars were traveling same direction then you would subtract the speed of slower moving vehicle from faster moving vehicle to get collision speed and if car he hit was at complete stop than speed of collision would have been speed of the only moving vehicle

but whatever rocks your boat

You're very wrong.
I can tell you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It's all about how quickly the cars in question slow down from 50 mph to 0. This is determined by how much of the impact can be absorbed by the body of the car. A concrete wall absorbs none of it, so a car crashing into one has to do all the absorbing.
Two cars crashing straight into each other (at the same speed) each absorb the force associated with their own momentum, making it equivalent to a single car crashing into a non-impact-absorbing wall.

So to add; two cars hitting each other going 300km/h as a headon collision IS NOT 600km/h.. it's 300km/h.

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

You're very wrong.
I can tell you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It's all about how quickly the cars in question slow down from 50 mph to 0. This is determined by how much of the impact can be absorbed by the body of the car. A concrete wall absorbs none of it, so a car crashing into one has to do all the absorbing.
Two cars crashing straight into each other (at the same speed) each absorb the force associated with their own momentum, making it equivalent to a single car crashing into a non-impact-absorbing wall.

So to add; two cars hitting each other going 300km/h as a headon collision IS NOT 600km/h.. it's 300km/h.

i know exactly what i am talking
actual IMPACT speed or COLLISION speed, call it whatever you want will be 600kmh in your case and 400+ in my case

F=ma , where acceleration is change of velocity divided by change in time. If we look at it this way, you are correct, however 2 cars smashing head to head will result in larger acceleration (where i am correct) and larger force.

we can look into it from the change of velocity point and many others if you want to go down this way

but this thread is not about physics

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by mstmng

i know exactly what i am talking
actual IMPACT speed or COLLISION speed, call it whatever you want will be 600kmh in your case and 400+ in my case

F=ma , where acceleration is change of velocity divided by change in time. If we look at it this way, you are correct, however 2 cars smashing head to head will result in larger acceleration (where i am correct) and larger force.

we can look into it from the change of velocity point and many others if you want to go down this way

but this thread is not about physics

There is no acceleration difference between hitting a solid wall and hitting another car going the same speed as you. None. They both exhibit the same level of destruction and g forces.

[M6-Coupe]

RIP to the driver of M5 and I do agree with OP. There must be some laws to prevent young people or even those do not have enough skill driving high performance cars. At age of 20 I was driving a 60 HP car and I always drove fast and now I'm happy that car did not have 600 HP otherwise I was not alive now LOL.

[M6-Coupe]

I believe there is a little confusion here....
When two car at the same speed and the same weight have head-on collision, the collision speed (or Velocity) is the summation of two speeds and the TOTAL damage is like one car is hitting the wall with the total speed (V1+V2), but since there are two cars involved the damage will be split between two cars so it's like each car hit the wall with the same speed. If cars have different speeds and different weights then damage (on each car) is based on the other car's momentum ( p= m* V).

watch this:

and this:

[PEHM5]

I don't quite understand what happened. Was the M5 reared end? The front end is still intact so it wasn't a head on collision. Correct?

[stealth.pilot]

This is in Russia. Shame he didn't take out the presidential motorcade for a stacked win!

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

There is no acceleration difference between hitting a solid wall and hitting another car going the same speed as you. None. They both exhibit the same level of destruction and g forces.

Similar questions has been asked before in physics forums, chipped B6 is correct.

[wisesoul]

Apparently he was a student, 18 years old... Common sense and good judgement are degrading qualities today. (Warning, video in link is quite graphic)
http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1542299/

Respect the car, respect the law, and respect life

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

Respect the car, respect the law, and respect life

The issue is that "respect" is a "meaningless word" for the majority of today's generation... UNFORTUNATELY

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

There is no acceleration difference between hitting a solid wall and hitting another car going the same speed as you. None. They both exhibit the same level of destruction and g forces.

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I believe there is a little confusion here....
When two car at the same speed and the same weight have head-on collision, the collision speed (or Velocity) is the summation of two speeds and the TOTAL damage is like one car is hitting the wall with the total speed (V1+V2), but since there are two cars involved the damage will be split between two cars so it's like each car hit the wall with the same speed. If cars have different speeds and different weights then damage (on each car) is based on the other car's momentum ( p= m* V).

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Similar questions has been asked before in physics forums, chipped B6 is correct.

guys i understand that damage might be same/g-force/etc

but i am talking about actual COLLISION/IMPACT speed and it is arguable who is right and who is wrong, but let everyone stay with their own opinion + both cars are different weight, have different collision area, different size, doing different speed and it was not exactly 100% head on

so in reality none of us is right