Car Crash Pic

[infamousq]

Dibs on the headlights and grills lol just kidding glad everybody made it out safely.....

[savela]

Look at those skid marks and the damage to the car. No way that happened at 116km. True, the OP likely means well by posting this BUT at close read, there is a bit of bragging going on. How does he know it was 216km? Should have kept his eye on the road - even w/ HUD. Maybe the sped got stuck...doubt.

I've been the passenger when someone like this was driving and almost lost my life - happy to show pics of the carnage left behind (Dodge Viper). You wanna jack around by yourself, go right ahead. You got 3 passangers and want to show off? Do it on a private road.

Sure, we're all happy that everyone involved is ok but with a bit of reflection, many are a bit upset about what could have been. Don't take it personally, OP - many/most on this forum have kids so we're a bit visceral with this sorta stuff.

Have fun but don't drive recklessly.

[dhirm5]

Originally Posted by infamousq

Dibs on the headlights and grills lol just kidding glad everybody made it out safely.....

Sure - you know you're not kidding. Jerk.

When's yours coming in? I can't wait for the good weather to circle back around.

[mattkim85]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

OK Mr. Passive Aggressive, tell me where he knows he made a mistake? I read him blaming the car for everything.

And don't tell me to calm down, I am from Jersey.

No need to get hot headed over this.

OP didn't put up pictures to brag about his fuck up. Who in the right mind will? He's simply warning everyone that DSC ON wont save your ass 100% of the time.

If this thread makes someone think twice before speeding into a turn and getting into an accident, its 100% worth it. Don't you think?

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by dhirm5

Sure - you know you're not kidding. Jerk.

When's yours coming in? I can't wait for the good weather to circle back around.

Naw I am not LOL the Build month is looking like Sept since it will be a Individual color and ED and I won't be back until Jan/Feb 2015

[avlnch]

Originally Posted by mattkim85

No need to get hot headed over this.

OP didn't put up pictures to brag about his fuck up. Who in the right mind will? He's simply warning everyone that DSC ON wont save your ass 100% of the time.

If this thread makes someone think twice before speeding into a turn and getting into an accident, its 100% worth it. Don't you think?

Don't read into this thread as a warning about DSC On. The DSC system when fully engaged is very impressive. Even in severe and adverse weather conditions (rain, snow, etc) the DSC system and the M Rear Differential are phenomenal and perform very well. I don't believe DSC On can fail you. The traction control systems in my M's and AMG's never have. MDM on the other hand absolutely can fail you. Many drivers look at it as a fail safe / safety net, and that's not exactly what it is. The MDM program has changed over the years.

MDM is another story as that DSC mode is basically DSC off, with a safety net, but doesn't reel the car in for the driver everytime. Extra caution is needed when traveling over different surfaces with MDM enabled. For example if you are rolling on asphalt and then roll over leaves and blip the throttle, you will easily kick the rear out. If you have ever constantly and completely drifted around a wet skid pad, you have to make corrections each time the wheels hit a dry patch of the polished concrete, and correct again when it reaches the wet. I find that MDM functions at its best when the driver takes corrective action, as it assists you while you do so. It doesn't save you all the time because it's allowing you that lee way instead of being too over protective as if it were programmed to be the latter, it becomes counter intuitive when using it on the track. So the MDM program doesn't always save you in all scenarios and it works best with the drivers input.

The F10 M5 MDM is much different than the E60 M5 MDM and E90 M3 MDM - all of these models have a different variation of MDM which is simply a module with software allowing an increased amount of slip. F10 M5 CP for example has an even more aggressive MDM mode than the standard M5. You always need to be aware and on your toes if you are driving in MDM mode. However with DSC On, you can be relaxed and count on the DSC system to reel in any slip, abort any excessive throttle input (such as if you apply too much throttle in the rain/wet road), etc.

Yes, the OP (the driver) stated he had DSC enabled. However due to the fact that he (understatement) grossly overestimated the capabilities of the M5 (and the law of physics), the DSC system could not prevent the accident.

The photos themselves easily tell the story of what happened. In fact if you look at the tire marks on the road, it looks as if the DSC system helped lessen the severity of the accident. It looks like when the driver lost control, the DSC cut off the throttle, routed power to the appropriate tires for optimal grip, and primed the brakes. If there was more street or no curb, the M5 probably would not of flipped. Unfortunately for the driver, the sloped curbs combined with excessive speed is the perfect storm that created a roll scenario. So this accident is 100% driver error.

So the point of this post is that the driver took the M5 way past what the chassis is capable of handling.. and there was really no saving it unless he were at an airfield or somewhere with lots of extra flat tarmac to spin out on.

[Day Laborer]

Location: Mauritius
Damn.. thats a small ass island.. probably the only F10 M5 in the entire country.

.. Are you going to be selling the Ceramic Brakes???

[Mbdurham17]

But he was only doing 70 mph

My guess he thought he would get a different reaction on here than he did and changed his tune when he didn't get what he was looking for.

Nice to know the car is that safe if you screw up and push it past it limits but don't try to hide it after just own it and say you made a mistake ....no matter what anyone says we have all been there whether we went past the edge or not....hopefully lesson learned on his part nobody got hurt and won't happen again.

[avlnch]

Those who are angry are probably people that have been involved in an accident as a passenger or some type of similar scenario. In that case reading a thread like this can make some rather angry as it just seems careless and reckless - on another level.

If the OP estimates he entered the turn at 135mph, it's probably safe to say that he was driving on the straightaways at speeds close to 170mph. We all know that the M5 is sound proofed very well (almost too well), and drives as if it's planted on rails at high speeds. These two factors combined with inexperience and/or distraction(s) could of resulted in the driver relying solely on his senses for a speed reading instead of looking at the HUD or tach. If that was the case, driving at speeds close to 170mph and then slowing down to 100mph can feel like you are only going 70mph or slower.. when in reality you are still moving at a speed of 100mph or faster.

This false and inaccurate sense of speed is especially true with the F10 M5 because of how well it's built.

It's plausible that he entered the bend in the road based on his own sense of speed instead of verifying his true speed by looking at the HUD or tach. That would explain how one could even think about entering a bend at such a high speed (he was unaware of his true speed).

It would be great to hear some more details from the OP, such as if he was aware or unaware of his true speed. This already happened, and fortunately he encountered the best case scenario version as nobody was severely hurt. All one can do is learn from the experience.. meaning think hard about how and why it happened, and how to ensure it doesn't happen again. If not, the next time he might not be so lucky and that would be really unfortunate. I have a feeling some have forced the OP into permanent silence, so we may not hear back.

[BMWonlyZone]

First, I am def not getting hot. The Jersey thing was just a joke.....

This jerkoff, in HIS words, drove 135 miles per hour on that road, with 3 passengers and every techno-nanny on. His words, not mine if you would care to review the thread.

Only through the prism of California thinking could a bleeding heart somehow distort what really happened here. That other one said earlier: "He (OP) posted these pictures so we can learn" and "He knew he made a mistake". Really, point me to this in any of his posts that admit any wrong doing. He almost killed at a minimum 3 innocent people and ran to this forum to blame his car for it and show us how cool the wreck is. Oh, and to make sure we all realize how "beastly" M5's are. He should be ashamed of himself. 135 MPH with passengers and maybe someones Mom, or kid, or whatever driving the other way! Like to see what you'd say if this was on the 405.

I will restate...this dude should have hung his head in shame and quietly apologized to everyone in the car, then the judge, and moved on with his life. Running to me for validation wasn't the best move.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

First, I am def not getting hot. The Jersey thing was just a joke.....

This jerkoff, in HIS words, drove 135 miles per hour on that road, with 3 passengers and every techno-nanny on. His words, not mine if you would care to review the thread.

Only through the prism of California thinking could a bleeding heart somehow distort what really happened here. That other one said earlier: "He (OP) posted these pictures so we can learn" and "He knew he made a mistake". Really, point me to this in any of his posts that admit any wrong doing. He almost killed at a minimum 3 innocent people and ran to this forum to blame his car for it and show us how cool the wreck is. Oh, and to make sure we all realize how "beastly" M5's are. He should be ashamed of himself. 135 MPH with passengers and maybe someones Mom, or kid, or whatever driving the other way! Like to see what you'd say if this was on the 405.

I will restate...this dude should have hung his head in shame and quietly apologized to everyone in the car, then the judge, and moved on with his life. Running to me for validation wasn't the best move.

Pretty sure this didn't happen at 70 mph-lol!

Don't get so fired up at him. He made a mistake and got very lucky. He didn't actually "come to you" for anything. He made a post that you gave meaning to. Weird how that works. We all see stuff differently. Just look at the reactions here. Very few of us on here haven't opened our M cars up a few times and really pushed it.

I do agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY that he is pretty well full of crap with the entire post and sort of being a bit "proud" of the aftermath. Blaming the car is laughable. Posts like this are good though because regardless of how you feel about the guy it does remind you that stuff happens.

And chill out with your Jersey attitude!-hahahaha! Kidding. I'm married to a dang Jersey Girl. I know you're kidding...sort of-lol!

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by avlnch

Don't read into this thread as a warning about DSC On. The DSC system when fully engaged is very impressive. Even in severe and adverse weather conditions (rain, snow, etc) the DSC system and the M Rear Differential are phenomenal and perform very well. I don't believe DSC On can fail you. The traction control systems in my M's and AMG's never have. MDM on the other hand absolutely can fail you. Many drivers look at it as a fail safe / safety net, and that's not exactly what it is. The MDM program has changed over the years.

MDM is another story as that DSC mode is basically DSC off, with a safety net, but doesn't reel the car in for the driver everytime. Extra caution is needed when traveling over different surfaces with MDM enabled. For example if you are rolling on asphalt and then roll over leaves and blip the throttle, you will easily kick the rear out. If you have ever constantly and completely drifted around a wet skid pad, you have to make corrections each time the wheels hit a dry patch of the polished concrete, and correct again when it reaches the wet. I find that MDM functions at its best when the driver takes corrective action, as it assists you while you do so. It doesn't save you all the time because it's allowing you that lee way instead of being too over protective as if it were programmed to be the latter, it becomes counter intuitive when using it on the track. So the MDM program doesn't always save you in all scenarios and it works best with the drivers input.

The F10 M5 MDM is much different than the E60 M5 MDM and E90 M3 MDM - all of these models have a different variation of MDM which is simply a module with software allowing an increased amount of slip. F10 M5 CP for example has an even more aggressive MDM mode than the standard M5. You always need to be aware and on your toes if you are driving in MDM mode. However with DSC On, you can be relaxed and count on the DSC system to reel in any slip, abort any excessive throttle input (such as if you apply too much throttle in the rain/wet road), etc.

Yes, the OP (the driver) stated he had DSC enabled. However due to the fact that he (understatement) grossly overestimated the capabilities of the M5 (and the law of physics), the DSC system could not prevent the accident.

The photos themselves easily tell the story of what happened. In fact if you look at the tire marks on the road, it looks as if the DSC system helped lessen the severity of the accident. It looks like when the driver lost control, the DSC cut off the throttle, routed power to the appropriate tires for optimal grip, and primed the brakes. If there was more street or no curb, the M5 probably would not of flipped. Unfortunately for the driver, the sloped curbs combined with excessive speed is the perfect storm that created a roll scenario. So this accident is 100% driver error.

So the point of this post is that the driver took the M5 way past what the chassis is capable of handling.. and there was really no saving it unless he were at an airfield or somewhere with lots of extra flat tarmac to spin out on.

What are you man? A CSI-lol! Pretty intense assessment.

Here's mine: Showing off for friends. Entered corner too fast. Slid off into that rounded curd and rolled that sucker. Way faster than the speed he claimed. M5 is a heavy car. Had no chance whether DSC on or off.

[dhirm5]

Originally Posted by infamousq

Naw I am not LOL the Build month is looking like Sept since it will be a Individual color and ED and I won't be back until Jan/Feb 2015

Let's pencil in a gat together for a year from April then.

Keeping this thread on topic - I'm glad OP didn't kill anyone or himself and his passengers. He surely learned from the experience or he wouldn't be here posting. It's all good.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by ColdList

What are you man? A CSI-lol! Pretty intense assessment.

Here's mine: Showing off for friends. Entered corner too fast. Slid off into that rounded curd and rolled that sucker. Way faster than the speed he claimed. M5 is a heavy car. Had no chance whether DSC on or off.

LOL! I have stories of my own too. The DSC saved me once, when I was stupidly driving on an on ramp at 130mph while it was raining. I was convinced that the M5 was going to lose traction and spin out of control when I tried to slow down, and it did lose traction but the DSC intervened and regained traction and somehow I'm alive to type this here today. Lol! Yeah I was trying to impress a girl.

[BMWonlyZone]

Originally Posted by ColdList

Pretty sure this didn't happen at 70 mph-lol!

Don't get so fired up at him. He made a mistake and got very lucky. He didn't actually "come to you" for anything. He made a post that you gave meaning to. Weird how that works. We all see stuff differently. Just look at the reactions here. Very few of us on here haven't opened our M cars up a few times and really pushed it.

I do agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY that he is pretty well full of crap with the entire post and sort of being a bit "proud" of the aftermath. Blaming the car is laughable. Posts like this are good though because regardless of how you feel about the guy it does remind you that stuff happens.

And chill out with your Jersey attitude!-hahahaha! Kidding. I'm married to a dang Jersey Girl. I know you're kidding...sort of-lol!

OMG, a Jersey girl. Better watch your step. She will keep both your feet in one shoe!

I will be in GA next week on bizz... But I have to be in LA the week after, I am thinking after the last post they will be waiting for me at the airport ready to crack some skulls.

And since when do people from CA drive M5's? I thought it's all about the even more powerful "statement" that is the Prius. Maybe they are hybrid M5's out there...or maybe M5-E's.

In all seriousness, I am over it now. But it's just upsetting because I know personally of a very similar story that ended very differently.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

OMG, a Jersey girl. Better watch your step. She will keep both your feet in one shoe!

I will be in GA next week on bizz... But I have to be in LA the week after, I am thinking after the last post they will be waiting for me at the airport ready to crack some skulls.

And since when do people from CA drive M5's? I thought it's all about the even more powerful "statement" that is the Prius. Maybe they are hybrid M5's out there...or maybe M5-E's.

In all seriousness, I am over it now. But it's just upsetting because I know personally of a very similar story that ended very differently.

Haha! Don't I know it! I sleep with one eye open.

Better watch it with the CA comments-lol! That's where DAVE is from! He's got the loudest, meanest M5 on the planet!

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

LOL! I have stories of my own too. The DSC saved me once, when I was stupidly driving on an on ramp at 130mph while it was raining. I was convinced that the M5 was going to lose traction and spin out of control when I tried to slow down, and it did lose traction but the DSC intervened and regained traction and somehow I'm alive to type this here today. Lol! Yeah I was trying to impress a girl.

lol! Yup. been there too but with MDM. When I had my M5 I turned too fast at an intersection on wet pavement. Car went 90 degrees sideways to the left then back 180 degrees right. I got to stare both the center median and the opposite curb in the face before I somehow got her straightened out.

Shoot, I spun the 991 TT in the same manner the first day I had it and that was just from trying to change lanes from a stop and hitting the throttle too hard. I was trying to impress myself.-lol Ended up scaring myself half to death!

[avlnch]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

LOL! I have stories of my own too. The DSC saved me once, when I was stupidly driving on an on ramp at 130mph while it was raining. I was convinced that the M5 was going to lose traction and spin out of control when I tried to slow down, and it did lose traction but the DSC intervened and regained traction and somehow I'm alive to type this here today. Lol! Yeah I was trying to impress a girl.

She probably wet the seat

Once in a while I get some kind of perfect acceleration with MDM enabled, and the M5 accelerates hard while at the same time spinning the tires and remains slightly angled. Sometimes I don't even realize because I have the B&O "Turnt Up". Then the HUD shift lights flash because of traction and I notice I am a bit sideways.

I sometimes drive my M5 like a 7er and forget how quick and impressive this car is. Then I run into a B7 or just go for a spirited cruise in S3 and you suddenly remember this is an M car.

[PatrickC23]

I'd be interested to know the OP's age

[avlnch]

Lol at both of those.

In my E60 M5 I was driving on I-95 SB to the airport. Over the short highway divider a tractor trailer locked up its brakes, began to jack knife, fully jack knifed and the trailer came sliding around as the cab then proceeded to lean over sideways due to the weight of its trailer..

The driver of the truck somehow perfectly slid out of his opened side window as the cab turned over, and made a perfect execution escape and "got to find my balance walked" dead center onto the far left lane and raised his hands above his head.

I think I slowed down to 30mph watching this whole scene unfold next to me. It all sounded exactly like it does in the movies. I think I said "what..!" maybe 10 times in amazement. It wasn't so much about the jack knife.. much more impressed by the drivers escape skills.

I now wonder what happened after he surrendered in the left lane because I passed the scene and couldn't see anymore.

It was rather impressive to say the least.

CL did you replace your M5?

[mattkim85]

Originally Posted by avlnch

Don't read into this thread as a warning about DSC On. The DSC system when fully engaged is very impressive. Even in severe and adverse weather conditions (rain, snow, etc) the DSC system and the M Rear Differential are phenomenal and perform very well. I don't believe DSC On can fail you. The traction control systems in my M's and AMG's never have. MDM on the other hand absolutely can fail you. Many drivers look at it as a fail safe / safety net, and that's not exactly what it is. The MDM program has changed over the years.

MDM is another story as that DSC mode is basically DSC off, with a safety net, but doesn't reel the car in for the driver everytime. Extra caution is needed when traveling over different surfaces with MDM enabled. For example if you are rolling on asphalt and then roll over leaves and blip the throttle, you will easily kick the rear out. If you have ever constantly and completely drifted around a wet skid pad, you have to make corrections each time the wheels hit a dry patch of the polished concrete, and correct again when it reaches the wet. I find that MDM functions at its best when the driver takes corrective action, as it assists you while you do so. It doesn't save you all the time because it's allowing you that lee way instead of being too over protective as if it were programmed to be the latter, it becomes counter intuitive when using it on the track. So the MDM program doesn't always save you in all scenarios and it works best with the drivers input.

The F10 M5 MDM is much different than the E60 M5 MDM and E90 M3 MDM - all of these models have a different variation of MDM which is simply a module with software allowing an increased amount of slip. F10 M5 CP for example has an even more aggressive MDM mode than the standard M5. You always need to be aware and on your toes if you are driving in MDM mode. However with DSC On, you can be relaxed and count on the DSC system to reel in any slip, abort any excessive throttle input (such as if you apply too much throttle in the rain/wet road), etc.

Yes, the OP (the driver) stated he had DSC enabled. However due to the fact that he (understatement) grossly overestimated the capabilities of the M5 (and the law of physics), the DSC system could not prevent the accident.

The photos themselves easily tell the story of what happened. In fact if you look at the tire marks on the road, it looks as if the DSC system helped lessen the severity of the accident. It looks like when the driver lost control, the DSC cut off the throttle, routed power to the appropriate tires for optimal grip, and primed the brakes. If there was more street or no curb, the M5 probably would not of flipped. Unfortunately for the driver, the sloped curbs combined with excessive speed is the perfect storm that created a roll scenario. So this accident is 100% driver error.

So the point of this post is that the driver took the M5 way past what the chassis is capable of handling.. and there was really no saving it unless he were at an airfield or somewhere with lots of extra flat tarmac to spin out on.

I totally agree with you 100%.

But my point was that this whole thread's purpose is misleading some people into judging and lecturing the OP. In MY perspective, I thought it was nice of the OP to share his loss, and warn others about what can happen if your reckless (even with DSC on). He messed up, he probably feels like shit and wanted some sympathy from fellow forum members, but what he got in return was a lot of lecturing and bitchin.

[mattkim85]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

First, I am def not getting hot. The Jersey thing was just a joke.....

This jerkoff, in HIS words, drove 135 miles per hour on that road, with 3 passengers and every techno-nanny on. His words, not mine if you would care to review the thread.

Only through the prism of California thinking could a bleeding heart somehow distort what really happened here. That other one said earlier: "He (OP) posted these pictures so we can learn" and "He knew he made a mistake". Really, point me to this in any of his posts that admit any wrong doing. He almost killed at a minimum 3 innocent people and ran to this forum to blame his car for it and show us how cool the wreck is. Oh, and to make sure we all realize how "beastly" M5's are. He should be ashamed of himself. 135 MPH with passengers and maybe someones Mom, or kid, or whatever driving the other way! Like to see what you'd say if this was on the 405.

I will restate...this dude should have hung his head in shame and quietly apologized to everyone in the car, then the judge, and moved on with his life. Running to me for validation wasn't the best move.

LOL yeah I did review the thread. Where did you get the idea that he was trying to show off? Since your nitpicking each and every word that the OP said. He never ran to YOU for validation either, did he? Also, does that street look anything like the 405? It's obviously an empty road with minimal to no traffic vs. one of the most traffic heavy freeway or in ur case highway in the US. You seemed to have sympathy at first but eventually failed miserably cause you thought everyone was being too "nice."

The jerkoff is you, my friend. Go stick your head out in shame for your Jersey-minded stupidity. Maybe the snow days are getting on your nerves.