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      07-28-2012, 09:44 AM   #23
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      07-28-2012, 09:54 AM   #24
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i do not need a faster car, the m5 is more that i can handle speedwise. but i am also thinking of getting a 2nd vehicle, for pure driving pleasure and enjoyment. the m5 is a fantastic technological achievement, it is really two cars in one...exec limo and sport limo, all at the touch of a button. but i have the feeling that the car drives me instead of the other way around. i find myself more and more looking at youtube videos of the E92 M3, enjoy all that beautiful sound and the 8200 revs redline....
so what are my options? on top of the list is the mclaren MP12-4C, but still there is no second hand one under 150K GBP, next is Ferrari 458, but same problem...lambo gallardo LP560-4...the transmission turns me off. so porsche...991S or next gen cayman...
i am very unsure at the moment on how to proceed..maybe order an E92 M3 coupe?
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I think you should go for the e92. Add ZCP if you still can for this model year or whatever year u decide to order. I test drove a 2011 e92 m3 with ZCP. Lovely car. Put it like this I hate red and orange looking interiors..which it had. After getting in the car forgot all abt the interior. It was that great even though I never got above 4500rpm...didnt really want to get on it, was a brand new car and I knew I wasnt going to buy it. Honestly I enjoyed the car so much tht if it were purple on the outside and pink on the inside I wouldnt care at all. PULL THE TRIGGER and get one of the last na V8s while its still around.
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      07-28-2012, 10:35 AM   #25
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Depends how much money you have:
Aventador if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
MP4 if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
R8 V10 MT6 if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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      07-28-2012, 10:37 AM   #26
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I think you should go for the e92. Add ZCP if you still can for this model year or whatever year u decide to order. I test drove a 2011 e92 m3 with ZCP. Lovely car. Put it like this I hate red and orange looking interiors..which it had. After getting in the car forgot all abt the interior. It was that great even though I never got above 4500rpm...didnt really want to get on it, was a brand new car and I knew I wasnt going to buy it. Honestly I enjoyed the car so much tht if it were purple on the outside and pink on the inside I wouldnt care at all. PULL THE TRIGGER and get one of the last na V8s while its still around.
yes, the E92 or the porsche 991---after all one needs to thinks economical, so that excludes the F and the Mc cars---)))
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      07-28-2012, 02:02 PM   #27
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i do not need a faster car, the m5 is more that i can handle speedwise. but i am also thinking of getting a 2nd vehicle, for pure driving pleasure and enjoyment. the m5 is a fantastic technological achievement, it is really two cars in one...exec limo and sport limo, all at the touch of a button. but i have the feeling that the car drives me instead of the other way around. i find myself more and more looking at youtube videos of the E92 M3, enjoy all that beautiful sound and the 8200 revs redline....
so what are my options? on top of the list is the mclaren MP12-4C, but still there is no second hand one under 150K GBP, next is Ferrari 458, but same problem...lambo gallardo LP560-4...the transmission turns me off. so porsche...991S or next gen cayman...
i am very unsure at the moment on how to proceed..maybe order an E92 M3 coupe?
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If you want something for pure driving pleasure, the focus should be on light weight and balance, not necessarily horsepower. There's a reason that one of the most popular cars on the track is a Miata, and it's not (just) because they're cheap; it's because whether you're on or off the track, you don't need to be going fast to have a lot of fun. Massive horsepower and torque can't be appreciated fully or for very long on public roads; handling can be appreciated everywhere.

The M3 is indeed a great all-around car and arguably the best choice if you'll only have one car, but if you've already got an M5, I think you'd be happier if you picked a second car that was a bit more focused on driving feel rather than also concerning itself all-around usability like the M3. If you want something much less expensive but arguably still very fun to drive, think of things like Miata, FR-S/BRZ, and Boxster/Cayman -- maybe Mini, though FWD might irritate you. Up from there price-wise, any of the other options discussed (Viper, 911, R8, 458) would also likely be fun, though in a different way.
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      07-28-2012, 02:08 PM   #28
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Honestly, I'm surprised no one has said anything before me. The 458 does not have comparable speed to the f10 m5. It may be in the same general power range but it is significantly faster and in an entirely different league. Also, during spirited driving u r prob gonna carry much more speed in the ferrari..u r going to be carrying more speed into corners/curves etc.
This. OP, I forgot to make that point clearer. The "trouble" with the M5 is that from 0 to maybe 80, it really can pull very similarly to the other cars discussed here, partly because traction limits powerful cars at those speeds and partly because the M5 has such a stonking engine -- so if you're hoping a second car will provide a very different experience just blasting down boulevards, you'll likely be disappointed. But as the quoted post mentions, the other cars we're talking about here will allow you to carry MUCH more speed through corners (and feel safer doing so) than the M5 ever will because of its extra weight and the fact that its suspension is still somewhat biased toward comfort. THAT'S where you'll need to get your enjoyment, and that's primarily what wowed me so much about the MP4-12C ride-along. Of course, before you can go tearing through corners on- or off-track, please make sure you've learned to drive properly.
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      07-28-2012, 03:07 PM   #29
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what about a Z4 28i? i am wondering if i should buy it at then end of the season.
Any experience out-there?
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      07-28-2012, 03:34 PM   #30
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what about a Z4 28i? i am wondering if i should buy it at then end of the season.
Any experience out-there?
Drove one. Feels good, but it's pretty slow. If you have an automatic you have to shift manually to have any fun, but even that's not the greatest. That engine just isn't designed to rev high. I vastly preferred the sound and feel of the Z4 M Coupe I drove, but the current Z4's looks and gadgetry are much better. Too bad the current one doesn't come in a hardtop M version, ideally with the current M3's S65 engine....
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      07-28-2012, 07:15 PM   #31
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      07-28-2012, 08:37 PM   #32
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if the prices come down nicely in the next year, then yes. it would be my all time favourite. ticks all boxes except maybe the engine noise which i find lacks a bit, nothing compared to the F458.
if the maclaren prices stay up where they are now then i shall go for the 911S or a next gen cayman.
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      07-29-2012, 10:02 AM   #33
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      07-29-2012, 11:00 AM   #34
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There is a nice shopping list in the August Top Gear magazine for speed week.



I picked one up today (happen to be in Swindon UK till I leave for Dublin tomorrow AM) and it is pretty nice write-up that takes up half of the magazine. M5, M6 Convert, C63 AMG Black, and MP4-12C included in the selection set.

Might consider laying hands on one if you have access to a Barnes & Noble (or similar) in the states.
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      07-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #35
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sounds like a lot of people really like the new 911 i haven't seen one up close yet, worth checking out
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      07-29-2012, 06:49 PM   #36
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The only thing that's similar between a 458 and an M5 is the gearbox. I'm confused that these two cars are even being compared here. TOTALLY different driving experienses.

If it was my choice and I wanted a weekend car that was nothing like the M5 I would get a 6-speed LP640, 430 Scuderia or a 997 GT2/GT3RS.
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      07-29-2012, 08:15 PM   #37
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      07-29-2012, 08:50 PM   #38
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I've got a 458 - my first Ferrari after 3 Lambos. I've had lots of cars over the years but I've never had one as good as this. Nearly 30,000km and no warranty claims. For driving fun, it reminds me of the motorbikes I had in my youth. It feels like no other car I've driven.
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I've got a 458 - my first Ferrari after 3 Lambos. I've had lots of cars over the years but I've never had one as good as this. Nearly 30,000km and no warranty claims. For driving fun, it reminds me of the motorbikes I had in my youth. It feels like no other car I've driven.
this is precisely the impression i got after 3 days with the car. not that i drove faster with the F458 than i do with my M5 but driver involvement is on a different planet.
however i need a second car which is sufficiently comfy for trips to scotland, wales and ireland from my home in cambridge (my M5 is LHD for trips to and on the continent) and -aside from the cost- a 991 carrera S or a cayman might be more suited, while also giving a lot in the fun department.
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this is precisely the impression i got after 3 days with the car. not that i drove faster with the F458 than i do with my M5 but driver involvement is on a different planet.
however i need a second car which is sufficiently comfy for trips to scotland, wales and ireland from my home in cambridge (my M5 is LHD for trips to and on the continent) and -aside from the cost- a 991 carrera S or a cayman might be more suited, while also giving a lot in the fun department.
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I've driven the 991 Carrera S briefly - it's a great car.
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      08-02-2012, 12:51 PM   #42
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For me my second car is the F10 M5. I've got a little Fiat 500 that gets 45mpg rated and 56mpg actual as a daily driver. Plus I love how people think how sensable I am by driving a Fiat. LOL!

The next car I get to compliment my F10 M5 after a few years is either going to be an E92 M3, F82 M4, Audi R8, or Ferrari F430. By around 2015 all of these cars should be pretty cheap by comparison. My goal is to get a smaller, lighter, 2 door coupe sports car that will be more fun to throw around because of its lightweight. I'm not going to be looking for a car with more horsepower than the F10 M5, as I intend on tuning my F10 M5 to hopefully 800hp.
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I recently traded an F430 for a GTR. The 430 was an incredible car but over time can seem to be a bit short on power when compared to more modern cars. The GT-R is one of fastest production cars out there for the money, giving up 0-60 and quarter mile only to the Veyron/Aventador/911 Turbo S, faster than the gallardo or 458, and can pull 1.4 lateral g's, all for the price of a M5......but it does have an artificial feel to in comparsion to an F car......I agree, if you can swing it the 458 is incredible....haven't sat in or driven an MP412C yet, but it doesn't sound nearly as exotic as the 458. I'd consider the 458 once it depreciates a bit more :P
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