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      05-10-2013, 12:44 AM   #1
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Currently drive a 2011 550 and considering the upgrade to the 2014 M5. Had a few basic questions for the current M5 owners.

1. Is the chassis different/stiffer than the 550?

2. Are the fenders wider than the normal 5?

3. What type of real world gas mileage are you getting?

Thanks in advance!
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Currently drive a 2011 550 and considering the upgrade to the 2014 M5. Had a few basic questions for the current M5 owners.

1. Is the chassis different/stiffer than the 550?

2. Are the fenders wider than the normal 5?

3. What type of real world gas mileage are you getting?

Thanks in advance!
1) Yes - structural rigidity is enhanced with braces, etc. suspension and power steering are dramatically Improved. this is hydraulic power steering. Transmission is basically the best in the world right now - much better than Porsche PDK.
2) Yes
3) If you need to ask you probably can't afford this car.
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Currently drive a 2011 550 and considering the upgrade to the 2014 M5. Had a few basic questions for the current M5 owners.

1. Is the chassis different/stiffer than the 550?

2. Are the fenders wider than the normal 5?

3. What type of real world gas mileage are you getting?

Thanks in advance!
1) Yes - structural rigidity is enhanced with braces, etc. suspension and power steering are dramatically Improved. this is hydraulic power steering. Transmission is basically the best in the world right now - much better than Porsche PDK.
2) Yes
3) If you need to ask you probably can't afford this car.
I can easily afford this car but I just want to make sure it's not the same guzzler as the E60 M5. About what gas mileage do you get? Is the 16/20 they state true?
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1. Yes. The subframe is directly bolted to the chassis without bushings. Also M specific suspension components are considerably more robust than a normal F10. Still a comfy ride
2. Only the front fenders are wider (slightly)
3. 16.5 mpg mixed driving. I have a heavy foot btw. E60 M5 had a small gas tank, so that was part of the reason it didn't have a good range.
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about the No.3, I never owned an E60 M5, so I can't compare it with the F10. However, mine gets exceptional good gas mileage. It's almost unreal if you consider the power/weight of this car. The on board computer shows 775km/tank after refuel when I do long distance highway driving. Only problem I have is whenever this kind of number shows on my display, the orange CEL also appear. It goes away after I get back in city driving, I don't know why, maybe it has something to do with my BMC air filters, but I am not sure.
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I can easily afford this car but I just want to make sure it's not the same guzzler as the E60 M5. About what gas mileage do you get? Is the 16/20 they state true?
Don't mind stealth... He is just in need of attention... We know the car cost 100k get over it.

14 mpg is what Im seeing.

Take a test drive and it will be all over. Ohh and MCB or stealth will cry

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Currently drive a 2011 550 and considering the upgrade to the 2014 M5. Had a few basic questions for the current M5 owners.

1. Is the chassis different/stiffer than the 550?

2. Are the fenders wider than the normal 5?

3. What type of real world gas mileage are you getting?

Thanks in advance!
1) Yes - structural rigidity is enhanced with braces, etc. suspension and power steering are dramatically Improved. this is hydraulic power steering. Transmission is basically the best in the world right now - much better than Porsche PDK.
2) Yes
3) If you need to ask you probably can't afford this car.
I have a Porsche 991 911 Carrera S and the F10 M5.

The M5 DCT is awesome but the PDK is too and IMO is the better transmission. The Nissan GTR also has a phenomenal dual clutch box.
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Currently drive a 2011 550 and considering the upgrade to the 2014 M5. Had a few basic questions for the current M5 owners.

1. Is the chassis different/stiffer than the 550?

2. Are the fenders wider than the normal 5?

3. What type of real world gas mileage are you getting?

Thanks in advance!
Having owned the 2011 550i M Sport, and have the new LCI M5 on order for October.
I can say:
1/ YES it is stiffer
2/ Yes It is slightly wider
3/ On my 4 day test drive here in the UK, it averaged 25 MPG over 4 days and 510 miles.
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Well if the issue with fuel consumption is not cost, but range, then I can say you will definitely have more range in the M5 than in your 550i thanks to the M5s larger tank.
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I have a Porsche 991 911 Carrera S and the F10 M5.

The M5 DCT is awesome but the PDK is too and IMO is the better trnsmission.
As an owner of both, I am very interested in your comparison of the two transmissions. I test drove the 991S PDK and was pretty disappointed. It felt slow, especially on upshift. I'm waiting on the 991 GT3, but the lack of manual and mediocre PDK experience has me concerned.

Would love your insight on what you like better about the Porsche tranny.
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when im heavy on the gas im getting about 9.5-10.5mph lol. but average is about 13.5mpg
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1) Yes - structural rigidity is enhanced with braces, etc. suspension and power steering are dramatically Improved. this is hydraulic power steering. Transmission is basically the best in the world right now - much better than Porsche PDK.
2) Yes
3) If you need to ask you probably can't afford this car.

Can you elaborate on this? Do you have statistics or facts that can prove it or is it all subjective? Not talking trash but I have had alot of DCT's (owned not just driven: M3, GTR, Porsche, M5, M6) and am trying to figure out how one can say that its MUCH better. Does it shift fast than the others... or does it have better software? (is software even considered part of the DCT or is the TCU)
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Thanks for all replies. I had an M3 before and loved the M-DCT gearbox. Probably one of the main reasons I'm going to make the switch.

Has anyone done a long highway cruise in the M5? If so, what was your mileage. I'm in So Cal and want to know if I can at least get to Vegas on 1 tank (approx 350 miles).
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Thanks for all replies. I had an M3 before and loved the M-DCT gearbox. Probably one of the main reasons I'm going to make the switch.

Has anyone done a long highway cruise in the M5? If so, what was your mileage. I'm in So Cal and want to know if I can at least get to Vegas on 1 tank (approx 350 miles).
It'll be close but if you apply some hyper mileing techniques you can do it.
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the M5 and GTR both share the Getrag transmission. It is dual clutch, and having just come out of a GTR and test driven a 991 pdk, I can also attest that the getrag is currently the best right now.
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the M5 and GTR both share the Getrag transmission. It is dual clutch, and having just come out of a GTR and test driven a 991 pdk, I can also attest that the getrag is currently the best right now.
Interesting since my GTR tranny is primarily made up of BorgWarner parts just like my 997.2TT.

"BorgWarner (BWA:
BorgWarner Inc received a 2008 Global Innovation Award from Nissan in recognition of its innovative dual-clutch technology, used in the all-new 2008 Nissan GT-R. Launched in December in Japan and last month in the United States, the eagerly anticipated sports car is the first GT-R engineered for sale in global markets, the world's first longitudinal transaxle dual-clutch transmission, and the first Japanese transmission to feature BorgWarner's award-winning DualTronic® technology. "
"To create the exhilarating experience drivers anticipate in a premier sports car, BorgWarner worked closely with Nissan and its affiliate, Aichi Kikai, designing the transmission to incorporate four BorgWarner advanced DualTronic® technologies including the dual-clutch module, clutch control module, shift actuation module, and synchronizer assemblies. BorgWarner manufactures these components at its facilities in Arnstadt, Germany; Tulle, France; and Margam, United Kingdom. "
"Supported by manufacturing capacity at its facilities in the United States, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, China and Mexico, BorgWarner expects to quadruple production of its dual-clutch technology over the next six years to 2.5 million dual-clutch transmission applications per year at full-launch of announced programs. "
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Thanks for all replies. I had an M3 before and loved the M-DCT gearbox. Probably one of the main reasons I'm going to make the switch.

Has anyone done a long highway cruise in the M5? If so, what was your mileage. I'm in So Cal and want to know if I can at least get to Vegas on 1 tank (approx 350 miles).
I have done a 400 mile highway drive without stopping, so you should be fine. On the highway i typically get 23-24mpg. Around town I get about 11, this is lots of quick starts mixed with some 10 minute freeway runs.
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Thanks for all replies. I had an M3 before and loved the M-DCT gearbox. Probably one of the main reasons I'm going to make the switch.

Has anyone done a long highway cruise in the M5? If so, what was your mileage. I'm in So Cal and want to know if I can at least get to Vegas on 1 tank (approx 350 miles).
I have done a 400 mile highway drive without stopping, so you should be fine. On the highway i typically get 23-24mpg. Around town I get about 11, this is lots of quick starts mixed with some 10 minute freeway runs.
Thanks for the info!
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I've driven the 991 pdk and previously owned a 2011 PTT. In my opinion, the PDK has better 'logic' about when to shift - as if it's psychic. Obviously, this is when driven in 'auto mode'. However, when driven in manual mode the DCT has faster shift times and is a better overall product (JMHO).

On a recent long drive I averaged 26.5mpg while on level ground - I was at sea level and was on cruise at 75mph. Once I went inland the mpg suffered a bit and I'd say that the average was around 22-24mpg depending on speed, etc.
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do it, do it, do it, do it!!

All these guys on these forums cant be wrong about how different a f10 m5 is compared to the run of the mill 5 series and the 550i's

post pics tho when you get it!
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I've driven the 991 pdk and previously owned a 2011 PTT. In my opinion, the PDK has better 'logic' about when to shift - as if it's psychic. Obviously, this is when driven in 'auto mode'. However, when driven in manual mode the DCT has faster shift times and is a better overall product (JMHO).

On a recent long drive I averaged 26.5mpg while on level ground - I was at sea level and was on cruise at 75mph. Once I went inland the mpg suffered a bit and I'd say that the average was around 22-24mpg depending on speed, etc.
Wow! That's fantastic mileage. If be happy with anything close to what you got on a long cruise. Hoping for 18+ with mixed driving
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do it, do it, do it, do it!!

All these guys on these forums cant be wrong about how different a f10 m5 is compared to the run of the mill 5 series and the 550i's

post pics tho when you get it!
You're right. The M5 guys really love the car and there are a lot of converts like me coming from a 550. I'll be at my dealer as soon as the 2014 order sheets are up. There will be plenty of pics! It's my dream car.
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