BMW is quoting M4 at 3.9 (vs 4.2 for M5), is there a chance it's faster?

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Dude, what's your delivery date? Would love to check out the new car.

Anytime... Granted I'm getting more impatient by the day, because I still don't have one yet rockville was all like "oh yeah I'm sure you'll have it by May/June" Meanwhile I sit at that production status...

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Anytime... Granted I'm getting more impatient by the day, because I still don't have one yet rockville was all like "oh yeah I'm sure you'll have it by May/June" Meanwhile I sit at that production status...

Want me to go over to Rockville and rev my M5 at them and demand they give you your M4 right away for you?? Anything for a friend.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Want me to go over to Rockville and rev my M5 at them and demand they give you your M4 right away for you?? Anything for a friend.

lol they'd just think you were me a service guy on the other hand said I've never seen a 528i with that color poor sakhir orange... I'm heading over to Fwash tonight to see their R8 my guys out today though so its mostly just looking :

annoying day to say the least #potomacprobs

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

lol they'd just think you were me a service guy on the other hand said I've never seen a 528i with that color poor sakhir orange... I'm heading over to Fwash tonight to see their R8 my guys out today though so its mostly just looking :

annoying day to say the least #potomacprobs

Where's the R8 at? I might head over and visit. What time you going??

[mainly]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

If the M4 can beat a 2014 911 GT3 then I will be worried (but not really, lol!)

Here's what happened with the last generation of cars. Pretty cool.

im repeating myself here, but the m4 wont come anywhere close to the new gt3.

were talking about a car that beat the maclaren 12C around a track.


its ring lap time was like 7:25.

0-60 mph, 3 seconds. 0-100 mph, 7.1 seconds.

[PhilT3]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Want me to go over to Rockville and rev my M5 at them and demand they give you your M4 right away for you?? Anything for a friend.

"Rev'??? Your M5 at them..." Lol. Dave, you are a real character.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Where's the R8 at? I might head over and visit. What time you going??

Ferrari of Washington

[Careful Driver]

M3 is a poor man's sports car. It's never going to beat the real P-cars. BMW takes "clues" from P-cars about the mainline technologies (dual clutch transmission, carbon fibre, pre-tensioned turbos, merino leather, yada yada yada), but they never claim that the M3 is an actual competitor to any of the real 911s. The 991s has a ring time of 7:37. That's just ridiculous, 15 seconds faster.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

M3 is a poor man's sports car. It's never going to beat the real P-cars. BMW takes "clues" from P-cars about the mainline technologies (dual clutch transmission, carbon fibre, pre-tensioned turbos, merino leather, yada yada yada), but they never claim that the M3 is an actual competitor to any of the real 911s. The 991s has a ring time of 7:37. That's just ridiculous, 15 seconds faster.

and a porsche is a poor mans exotic I don't know anyone who would compare the new m3/m4 to the top tier 911s.

[Careful Driver]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

and a porsche is a poor mans exotic I don't know anyone who would compare the new m3/m4 to the top tier 911s.

That's true. Porsche is a poor man's exotic car. I completely agree with that statement.

[clar]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

M3 is a poor man's sports car. It's never going to beat the real P-cars. BMW takes "clues" from P-cars about the mainline technologies (dual clutch transmission, carbon fibre, pre-tensioned turbos, merino leather, yada yada yada), but they never claim that the M3 is an actual competitor to any of the real 911s. The 991s has a ring time of 7:37. That's just ridiculous, 15 seconds faster.

There is nothing poor abt the M3. BMW never claim to rival Porsche. Of course they don't because the M3 is not a direct rival to any Porsche. Look at the price differential will u! The fact that M3 gets compared to a dedicated sports car from Porsche speaks volume of the excellence in M. Wanna compare with Porsche? Wait for the next mid-engined M. M3 is a do-it-all all rounded performance car and not a narrowly focused sports car.

[clar]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

That's true. Porsche is a poor man's exotic car. I completely agree with that statement.

Calling something a "poor man's xxx" is nothing but bigotry, typically uttered by ego maniacs.

[Careful Driver]

Originally Posted by clar

There is nothing poor abt the M3. BMW never claim to rival Porsche. Of course they don't because the M3 is not a direct rival to any Porsche. Look at the price differential will u! The fact that M3 gets compared to a dedicated sports car from Porsche speaks volume of the excellence in M. Wanna compare with Porsche? Wait for the next mid-engined M. M3 is a do-it-all all rounded performance car and not a narrowly focused sports car.

"....M3 gets compared to Porsche...."

15 seconds of difference in the ring, thats not even "comparable".

[RPiM5]

Proof that you can make anything fast.

[soooma]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

None yet, most likely in August when people are completing their break-in services. I know one dude personally where I live, who is dismantling his Supercharged E92 M3 Lime Rock Edition and taking delivery of a brand new Black Sapphire Metallic M4 this month. I may race him when I get a chance.

I'm in agreement with Gnazulu though, I really don't care which one is faster 0-60, it's almost a pointless metric to me. Rolling race and track lap times are more conclusive. I've always felt it's fun to debate about these metrics too, but I have nothing to prove to anyone. I'll be doing some rolling races next month though, so that should be fun. Have seriously thought about another car because I do feel the need to go to the track more since I live in car enthusiast hell, where I don't have wide open country roads or desolate desert roads to race around in anymore, so the M3/M4 has been on the decision plate for a little while now. But I'm still wanting/willing to explore the capabilities of the F10 M5. I mean no one really knows what a 750+hp F10 M5, with Carbon Ceramic Brakes, lightweight 20" wheels, and 285mm tires in front/305mm tires in back, can do at VIR or Watkins Glen or Lime Rock. I feel like I want to really push that envelope instead of just giving up because the F10 M5 is 4,400lbs and driving a lighter car with less power is a better choice. So in essence, I'm looking to answer a question that no-one really knows the answer too, can a heavy F10 M5 be a great track car with modifications? I believe the E60 M5 community proved that question to be true for the E60 M5.

Thanks Dave
I was just curious -
M4 and M3 are not on my radar as too small interior and a little bit too boy racer feel and look for me -

[soooma]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Proof that you can make anything fast.

Hilarious! .
The truck driver should be in prison for Environmental obvious reasons - and Truck confiscated immediately! !
Hilarious
LOL

[clar]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

"....M3 gets compared to Porsche...."

15 seconds of difference in the ring, thats not even "comparable".

Dude, independent test by Sport Auto gives a 8s difference:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051

[Maddict3]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

The M3/M4 is not even out and I'm already tired of people comparing 2 different types of cars. Enjoy your car and forget the others.

You couldn't have said this any better.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by clar

There is nothing poor abt the M3. BMW never claim to rival Porsche. Of course they don't because the M3 is not a direct rival to any Porsche. Look at the price differential will u! The fact that M3 gets compared to a dedicated sports car from Porsche speaks volume of the excellence in M. Wanna compare with Porsche? Wait for the next mid-engined M. M3 is a do-it-all all rounded performance car and not a narrowly focused sports car.

Totally agree, Porsche tech is crap just for the record, light years behind BMW's, but the Prices of "P" cars is high.

[Careful Driver]

Originally Posted by clar

Dude, independent test by Sport Auto gives a 8s difference:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051

Fastest laps says 7:37 for 991s. M3 did it in 7:52.

Regardless, even if its 8 seconds, thats a lifetime in track time terms. An M3 will never beat a 991s. It may get close to it and if that 8 or 15 seconds were 1-2 seconds, that would be a huge accomplishment but its far from it.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by clar

Calling something a "poor man's xxx" is nothing but bigotry, typically uttered by ego maniacs.

I'd agree

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Where's the R8 at? I might head over and visit. What time you going??

I didn't it started raining lol I sat inside the house and played ps4.

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

Fastest laps says 7:37 for 991s. M3 did it in 7:52.

Regardless, even if its 8 seconds, thats a lifetime in track time terms. An M3 will never beat a 991s. It may get close to it and if that 8 or 15 seconds were 1-2 seconds, that would be a huge accomplishment but its far from it.

Nor should it when a well optioned Pcar vs. a loaded m3/m4 is nearly double or more the price... These things matter, it was never meant to compete with the elite Porsches [I could stomp the best cayman r's with my stock e92] and it wasn't even meant to step on the m5/m6s toes [like everyone on m4 post seems to think... Personally I'll be happy if piggy, dps, exhaust and intake,meth and race gas get me back near my stock m5 whp numbers which means the dropped weight and aerodynamics should make it a blast]

The two exceptions I see of cars competing outside their price class are the GTR and Z06, beyond that everything else seems to have drawbacks and limitations on what cars they can compete with.