Car won't downshift to 1st gear when you come to a complete stop?

Jitsu-meat · 04-08-2015, 12:52 PM

Hey guys,

I recently noticed that my car will not always downshift into 1st gear as it is supposed to when you come to a complete stop. It seems to be very sporadic and I have noticed it in the efficiency mode and also in sport mode. I took it into the dealer last week and was told that this is a known problem and they would have to kick it up the ladder to see what they could find out. A week later and I still have not heard back. Have any of you guys experienced this? If so did you take to your dealer and was there ever a fix? Thanks in advance for your feedback!

soooma · 04-08-2015, 12:55 PM

Sometimes it needs to be Sports Throttle Mode or certainly the plus -

Gas savings
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Jitsu-meat · 04-08-2015, 01:01 PM

I probably wouldnt think much of it except I was turning onto a road on the other side of a blind hill and just as I was about to pull out a car came over hauling a$$ and I couldnt get out of the way quick enough. If I had first gear it wouldnt have been an issue, but dragging out of second (when I was at a complete stop) I barely made it. Not cool at all...

JOHNBMWM5 · 04-08-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jitsu-meat

Hey guys,

I recently noticed that my car will not always downshift into 1st gear as it is supposed to when you come to a complete stop. It seems to be very sporadic and I have noticed it in the efficiency mode and also in sport mode. I took it into the dealer last week and was told that this is a known problem and they would have to kick it up the ladder to see what they could find out. A week later and I still have not heard back. Have any of you guys experienced this? If so did you take to your dealer and was there ever a fix? Thanks in advance for your feedback!

My M6 GC CP always starts in 1st, it's a pain as on inclines when the engine starts the gear is engaged with a thump!!

My M5 used to start in 2nd in comfort which was good.

ChrisNich117 · 04-12-2015, 08:59 AM

Have the dealership reset the drivelogic history. Should fix it. Mine is always in 1st but I like it, and it used to be in 2nd until the software learns that you like to give it some gas off the line. It's a funky system but after a lot of data it should be cleared.

BarryB · 04-12-2015, 12:35 PM

It's not always "supposed" to start in 1st. So your car is probably just fine. Depends on engine setting as mentioned above and a coupla other things. If I wanna go I click the left paddle to to be sure I'm in 1st. If in sport or + it will be in 1st IF u come to a complete stop. Doesn't downshift for California rolling stops though.

Jitsu-meat · 04-13-2015, 01:17 PM

Just to clarify from the replies: you guys don't think when you come to a complete stop that your car is supposed to downshift to first gear? I am not talking about when you are close to stopping and then step on the gas again. I mean a complete stop count to 3 and then step on the gas.

BarryB · 04-13-2015, 07:50 PM

Correct if in efficient mode, it is normal to start off in 2nd, based on 2 F10M5's

Jitsu-meat · 04-15-2015, 11:37 AM

BarryB,

Did you see this happen in Sport mode as well by chance? Thank you for the feedback.

MCarsFan · 04-15-2015, 01:10 PM

Head to you dealer and ask to speak to their best technician. This doesnt happen to me - it used to happen to me in one of my previous M3's (e46) but makes no sense to me and I disagree that this is standard on the F10 M5.
I can change down to 1st gear and pull off in first in any mode.

elitex · 04-16-2015, 07:40 AM

Normal behavior. This happens a lot specially in stop and go traffic.

Jitsu-meat · 04-16-2015, 01:31 PM

Just an FYI: I have been told by the head of service that this is NOT normal and it is being kicked upstairs. The regional tech is supposed to be in next week and I'm going to be taking my car back to see if they can figure this out.

I previously had a 2010 750li and a 2013 650i xdrive and did not have anything like this ever happen with either of those models.

I will post updates on this as it plays out.

Thank you again for your feedback guys. It's appreciated...

elitex · 04-16-2015, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jitsu-meat

Just an FYI: I have been told by the head of service that this is NOT normal and it is being kicked upstairs. The regional tech is supposed to be in next week and I'm going to be taking my car back to see if they can figure this out.

I previously had a 2010 750li and a 2013 650i xdrive and did not have anything like this ever happen with either of those models.

I will post updates on this as it plays out.

Thank you again for your feedback guys. It's appreciated...

Interesting. Your other 2 cars weren't DCT. Are you saying that it won't downshift to 1st at all or sometimes?

stealth.pilot · 04-16-2015, 04:29 PM

I think this may also be to do with your driving history since the transmission is adaptive. If it is used to harder acceleration it will start in first. If it is used to gentle then it will start in 2nd.

PhilT3 · 04-16-2015, 09:01 PM

I find mine adapts each day. One day I'll be driving agressive and it goes to first. The next day im driving in traffic / easy on throttle and it stays in 2nd.
But I can then put it into sport or sport+ Or turn up the drivelogic and all is good and starts dropping to 1st again.

I like it personally.

elitex · 04-17-2015, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilT3

I find mine adapts each day. One day I'll be driving agressive and it goes to first. The next day im driving in traffic / easy on throttle and it stays in 2nd.
But I can then put it into sport or sport+ Or turn up the drivelogic and all is good and starts dropping to 1st again.

I like it personally.

yep, I've experienced the same behavior.

BarryB · 04-17-2015, 03:47 PM

It can always manually be put in first. If not, I agree something wrong. Otherwise I stand by my original position. It is normal. Seen in '13 and '15(30Jahre) m5's

BarryB · 04-17-2015, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jitsu-meat

BarryB,

Did you see this happen in Sport mode as well by chance? Thank you for the feedback.

Need to confirm but for sure doesn't in sport +

Mark6147 · 04-17-2015, 05:48 PM

And if you have been driving lazy and are not happy it is considering setting off in 2nd you tap lever to right into manual and it automatically goes into 1st. Tap it again and you are back into auto setting, v simple!

Mark6147 · 04-17-2015, 05:54 PM

Also, the gearbox is v intelligent, so if you are driving the car like a tart it will think you want to set off in 2nd :-)

MCarsFan · 04-17-2015, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jitsu-meat

Just an FYI: I have been told by the head of service that this is NOT normal and it is being kicked upstairs. The regional tech is supposed to be in next week and I'm going to be taking my car back to see if they can figure this out.

I previously had a 2010 750li and a 2013 650i xdrive and did not have anything like this ever happen with either of those models.

I will post updates on this as it plays out.

Thank you again for your feedback guys. It's appreciated...

Interested to hear what the regional tech says. Thanks

Jitsu-meat · 04-23-2015, 09:59 AM

Update: Dropped the car off this AM and they admitted they are not sure what this is but their best guess is that it has something to do with the adaptive. I only purchased the car back in December so I don't know about the driving history before that time. They are really puzzled that it took about 4 months before it started to happen to me though. They are going to clear the adaptive history and run some more tests on it today. I will keep you guys updated with anything more I find out.

Again I appreciate everyone's feedback!

04-08-2015, 12:52 PM	#1
Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	Car won't downshift to 1st gear when you come to a complete stop? Hey guys, I recently noticed that my car will not always downshift into 1st gear as it is supposed to when you come to a complete stop. It seems to be very sporadic and I have noticed it in the efficiency mode and also in sport mode. I took it into the dealer last week and was told that this is a known problem and they would have to kick it up the ladder to see what they could find out. A week later and I still have not heard back. Have any of you guys experienced this? If so did you take to your dealer and was there ever a fix? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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04-08-2015, 12:55 PM	#2
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04-08-2015, 01:01 PM	#3
Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	I probably wouldnt think much of it except I was turning onto a road on the other side of a blind hill and just as I was about to pull out a car came over hauling a$$ and I couldnt get out of the way quick enough. If I had first gear it wouldnt have been an issue, but dragging out of second (when I was at a complete stop) I barely made it. Not cool at all...
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04-12-2015, 08:59 AM	#5
ChrisNich117 First Lieutenant 129 Rep 395 Posts Drives: '14 F10 M5 Alpine White ZCP Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bradenton Florida iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 e92 M3 coupe [0.00] 2013 F10 M5 [0.00]	Have the dealership reset the drivelogic history. Should fix it. Mine is always in 1st but I like it, and it used to be in 2nd until the software learns that you like to give it some gas off the line. It's a funky system but after a lot of data it should be cleared.
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BarryB Lieutenant Colonel 867 Rep 1,758 Posts Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's Join Date: May 2012 Location: Palo Alto CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 BMW M5 CS [0.00] 2020 BMW M340i Xdrive [0.00] 2019 BMW M2 Competi ... [0.00] 2003 BMW DINAN S3 M5 [0.00] 2017 BMW 30 Jahre M3 [0.00] 2016 BMW M4 GTS [0.00] 2015 BMW 30 Jahre M5 [0.00] 1995 BMW M3 [0.00]	It's not always "supposed" to start in 1st. So your car is probably just fine. Depends on engine setting as mentioned above and a coupla other things. If I wanna go I click the left paddle to to be sure I'm in 1st. If in sport or + it will be in 1st IF u come to a complete stop. Doesn't downshift for California rolling stops though. __________________ Current non-BMW's 20 Jeep Grand Cherokee 03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp) 60 Impala (43k orig mi) 15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
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Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	Just to clarify from the replies: you guys don't think when you come to a complete stop that your car is supposed to downshift to first gear? I am not talking about when you are close to stopping and then step on the gas again. I mean a complete stop count to 3 and then step on the gas.
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BarryB Lieutenant Colonel 867 Rep 1,758 Posts Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's Join Date: May 2012 Location: Palo Alto CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 BMW M5 CS [0.00] 2020 BMW M340i Xdrive [0.00] 2019 BMW M2 Competi ... [0.00] 2003 BMW DINAN S3 M5 [0.00] 2017 BMW 30 Jahre M3 [0.00] 2016 BMW M4 GTS [0.00] 2015 BMW 30 Jahre M5 [0.00] 1995 BMW M3 [0.00]	Correct if in efficient mode, it is normal to start off in 2nd, based on 2 F10M5's __________________ Current non-BMW's 20 Jeep Grand Cherokee 03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp) 60 Impala (43k orig mi) 15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
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04-15-2015, 11:37 AM	#9
Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	BarryB, Did you see this happen in Sport mode as well by chance? Thank you for the feedback.
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Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	Just an FYI: I have been told by the head of service that this is NOT normal and it is being kicked upstairs. The regional tech is supposed to be in next week and I'm going to be taking my car back to see if they can figure this out. I previously had a 2010 750li and a 2013 650i xdrive and did not have anything like this ever happen with either of those models. I will post updates on this as it plays out. Thank you again for your feedback guys. It's appreciated...
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PhilT3 6'0 / 250lb 137 Rep 1,797 Posts Drives: 2014 M5 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: NW Philly Suburb iTrader: (0)	I find mine adapts each day. One day I'll be driving agressive and it goes to first. The next day im driving in traffic / easy on throttle and it stays in 2nd. But I can then put it into sport or sport+ Or turn up the drivelogic and all is good and starts dropping to 1st again. I like it personally. __________________ Build: '14 M5 - Space Gray / Full Sakhir Orange / Alum Trace / Black 343's / Exec / Driver Assist / LED Mods: SunTek CXP tint - Vinyl-wrapped door handle chrome - Macht Schnell 12mm spacers - Pedalhaus pedals - iND Cosmetic Package - Polished 90mm exh tips - Coded by v12 - 21" HRE S107's polished lip/black center
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BarryB Lieutenant Colonel 867 Rep 1,758 Posts Drives: 30Jahre M5 plus a few more M's Join Date: May 2012 Location: Palo Alto CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 BMW M5 CS [0.00] 2020 BMW M340i Xdrive [0.00] 2019 BMW M2 Competi ... [0.00] 2003 BMW DINAN S3 M5 [0.00] 2017 BMW 30 Jahre M3 [0.00] 2016 BMW M4 GTS [0.00] 2015 BMW 30 Jahre M5 [0.00] 1995 BMW M3 [0.00]	It can always manually be put in first. If not, I agree something wrong. Otherwise I stand by my original position. It is normal. Seen in '13 and '15(30Jahre) m5's __________________ Current non-BMW's 20 Jeep Grand Cherokee 03 Cooper S (Maxi Tuned 50bhp) 60 Impala (43k orig mi) 15 Turbo S (Kobb tune and Kline exhaust)
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04-17-2015, 05:48 PM	#19
Mark6147 Private 10 Rep 71 Posts Drives: F90 M5 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Cheshire iTrader: (0)	And if you have been driving lazy and are not happy it is considering setting off in 2nd you tap lever to right into manual and it automatically goes into 1st. Tap it again and you are back into auto setting, v simple!
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04-17-2015, 05:54 PM	#20
Mark6147 Private 10 Rep 71 Posts Drives: F90 M5 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Cheshire iTrader: (0)	Also, the gearbox is v intelligent, so if you are driving the car like a tart it will think you want to set off in 2nd :-)
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04-23-2015, 09:59 AM	#22
Jitsu-meat New Member 3 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Highland Beach FL iTrader: (0)	Update: Dropped the car off this AM and they admitted they are not sure what this is but their best guess is that it has something to do with the adaptive. I only purchased the car back in December so I don't know about the driving history before that time. They are really puzzled that it took about 4 months before it started to happen to me though. They are going to clear the adaptive history and run some more tests on it today. I will keep you guys updated with anything more I find out. Again I appreciate everyone's feedback!
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