F10 M5 compared to the 2016 CTS-V

[Trakrzy]

I think it would be foolish to dismiss the CTS-V as a very true and real competitor to the M5. Style is a personal preference but like someone already said, numbers don't lie...it will be interesting to see how it feels and handles around a twisty road. I'm all for more competition in a given segment.

These are good times to be a car enthusiast in a world that is pushing electric stuff day in, day out.

[Axman85]

As with most GM's a recall is most probably imminent and we all know how that's been for the brand.

Who cars about the power over the M, it's still a piece of GM crap. And what's with that boomerang style?

[Loft23]

Love it. The pictures chosen for this thread doesn't do the CTS-V justice. On sheer numbers alone, it will easily beat the M, AMG, and RS competitors. Everything else is subjective. At the price point, I think it's a bargain.

[apsuard]

It isn't my cup of tea but like others mentioned I'm glad other manufacturers are pushing the HP numbers in the sedan market. This only points to BIG things with the next generation M5. I like the competition.

[K19BMW]

Wow some of these comments are so narrow minded!
People just can't accept the fact that this new ctsv is going to destroy the m5 in all performance aspects.

[s!ke]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

So far, say this thing has all options ticked and I wouldn't be surprised its around 85k. The previous model barely hit that much with all options picked. The M5 hits 90k easy without all that. The F8x would be priced similar to this for less power and size for additional comparison. Granted people may not see the cars on same level. People who want the BMW, want a BMW. Frankly though, the costs difference isn't even worth thinking about. Thousands of dollars less for for HP and perhaps more/same features.

Side by side like that the M5 definitely looks cleaner but in person I'm rather muted by it. I like the interior far better though. I can't stand the world of touch based screens/buttons in the CTS-V or any other car that doesn't have knobs. That feel of knowing what your pressing is just too damn important to ignore. Fact that Caddy's CUE system has been out for a while and still haven't included key controls - vol for example, kills it for me. Its definitely the little things that matter.

Performance wise, cool numbers but that much power for any car to RWD only is more marketting than useable/purpose built.

Not to mention the Stingray. Way more power plus looks for way less money.

[boots]

Now imagine a tune on this car. Turn down for WHAT!

[bodonx]

As J Clarkson said, BMW needs to start sending the A Team back to M division from i division.

[alvinabed]

Originally Posted by HXS

When you stick the CTS-V right next to the M5 like that, the Caddy looks damn fugly exterior-wise and interior-wise.

I don't care if the Caddy is faster/quicker... I'd still take the M!

Totally agree.. No where close regarding look..

[IM///M6GC]

Originally Posted by Chuckbilodeau

Great car from Caddy, thanks for coming out with such a beast. Pretty sad to read the comments posted here. A little bit of impartiality would do good to some people.

Also, keep in mind this car will likely be $20k cheaper than the M5.

Agreed. Give props when due. I love my '15 m6 gc but this caddy has now set the bar pretty high.

[BMWonlyZone]

GM is not a COMPETITOR of anything.

GM went out of business because they have an inferior, low quality product. Match that with a business model that is/was absolutely guaranteed to fail, closing up shop was inevitable for them. Let's not forget, they did indeed go out of business.

Now, just because a Marxist (aligned with an equally radical Union), stole the company from the share holders for themselves, doesn't make them a now "successful and competing" company. If not for the billions they also stole from us (the taxpaying members of our society), they would be a distant memory at this point.

We have a thriving automotive industry in this country that informed people cannot deny. The long-coming failure of GM was appropriate and overdue. Moreover, they operate under the same failed business model they always did, with the same inferior product even today. It's just a matter of time until we watch this all play out again. Hopefully next time the climate will be unfriendly and we can put an end to this insanity once and for all.

No, they are not a competitor of BMW, or MB, or anyone else. Competition is the trademark of Capitalism. The "re-org" at GM certainly was not.

[Erich2142]

That rear spoiler on the CTSV ruined it. You've gotta wait for the station wagon.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

GM is not a COMPETITOR of anything.

GM went out of business because they have an inferior, low quality product. Match that with a business model that is/was absolutely guaranteed to fail, closing up shop was inevitable for them. Let's not forget, they did indeed go out of business.

Now, just because a Marxist (aligned with an equally radical Union), stole the company from the share holders for themselves, doesn't make them a now "successful and competing" company. If not for the billions they also stole from us (the taxpaying members of our society), they would be a distant memory at this point.

We have a thriving automotive industry in this country that informed people cannot deny. The long-coming failure of GM was appropriate and overdue. Moreover, they operate under the same failed business model they always did, with the same inferior product even today. It's just a matter of time until we watch this all play out again. Hopefully next time the climate will be unfriendly and we can put an end to this insanity once and for all.

No, they are not a competitor of BMW, or MB, or anyone else. Competition is the trademark of Capitalism. The "re-org" at GM certainly was not.

Cool story.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by BMWonlyZone

GM is not a COMPETITOR of anything.

GM went out of business because they have an inferior, low quality product. Match that with a business model that is/was absolutely guaranteed to fail, closing up shop was inevitable for them. Let's not forget, they did indeed go out of business.

Now, just because a Marxist (aligned with an equally radical Union), stole the company from the share holders for themselves, doesn't make them a now "successful and competing" company. If not for the billions they also stole from us (the taxpaying members of our society), they would be a distant memory at this point.

We have a thriving automotive industry in this country that informed people cannot deny. The long-coming failure of GM was appropriate and overdue. Moreover, they operate under the same failed business model they always did, with the same inferior product even today. It's just a matter of time until we watch this all play out again. Hopefully next time the climate will be unfriendly and we can put an end to this insanity once and for all.

No, they are not a competitor of BMW, or MB, or anyone else. Competition is the trademark of Capitalism. The "re-org" at GM certainly was not.

Someone is clearly butthurt that the caddy destroys his car performance wise.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Echoz

That rear spoiler on the CTSV ruined it. You've gotta wait for the station wagon.

That spoiler is part of the track pack. It is not standard.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by Axman85

As with most GM's a recall is most probably imminent and we all know how that's been for the brand.

Who cars about the power over the M, it's still a piece of GM crap. And what's with that boomerang style?

As it stands though, it would destroy an M5

[PetrolFumes]

Originally Posted by JeffDD2

How many M5 owners genuinely cross-shop a CTS-V?? I applaud Caddy for dropping that motor in it, but I'd bet that most M5 owners have the E63 and S7 on their list a heck of lot higher than a CTS-V, no matter how much HP it has.

I know i do

[bronch]

Originally Posted by JeffDD2

How many M5 owners genuinely cross-shop a CTS-V??...

Probably those that buy 2-4 year old models and not new ones. The same people who cite depreciation as prohibitive to buying new.

[Aaron@Autosource]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The last CTS-V was always a M5 competitor. The Gen 2 CTS-V and E60 M5 were nearly identical in their dimensions.

This gets me thinking..where were the rest of the people posting in this thread in say 2009, when the CTS-V was already a 15 seconds faster than the E60 M5 around the Ring?

You guys make it seem like Cadillac's some new kid on the block...lol

No one's going to publish an article about how much nicer the F10M is to look at, or to sit in. Keep that in mind. If Cadillac's announcing figures that impressive then they will be tested and those will pretty much be the only thing you'll be reading about. About how it beat the M5. Again.

Stock form, or hey bring Dinan & Hennessy into it too..that'll only increase the margin between the two.

[BMWonlyZone]

Originally Posted by Aaron@Autosource

This gets me thinking..where were the rest of the people posting in this thread in say 2009, when the CTS-V was already a 15 seconds faster than the E60 M5 around the Ring?

You guys make it seem like Cadillac's some new kid on the block...lol

No one's going to publish an article about how much nicer the F10M is to look at, or to sit in. Keep that in mind. If Cadillac's announcing figures that impressive then they will be tested and those will pretty much be the only thing you'll be reading about. About how it beat the M5. Again.

Stock form, or hey bring Dinan & Hennessy into it too..that'll only increase the margin between the two.

It could have a solid rocket booster under the hood and I wouldn't drive it. I mean, I am sure the market for this thing will be solid in Seaside Heights NJ, but come on.. It's a roach coach.

[Imola.ZHP]

Competition is great for all consumers!

Some real-world comparisons and tests really need to be done before anyone argues which is "best." I also bet the comparisons will fail to mention cadillac's awesome resale value (that doesn't exist).

[Kayani_1]

WOW just wow BMW relability.......

This is the first I ever heard of someone trying to point out BMW's great reliability track record as a factor worth pointing out as the deciding factor in any argument.

I have seen fan boys and will call myself one of the biggest ones of BMW. But as a car enthusiast some of you guys are so narrow minded that now it is ridiculous stuff coming out instead of any sense able argument.

Originally Posted by Axman85

As with most GM's a recall is most probably imminent and we all know how that's been for the brand.

Who cars about the power over the M, it's still a piece of GM crap. And what's with that boomerang style?